jalebi_bhai Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 What is developing in Kerala and Bengal will explode at some point. That worries me, specially because I'm Karnatakan (South Canara) and there might some over-spill in the neighboring areas of Kerala. Political dynamics won't be affected, but there will be migrations (has been happening for a while anyway). Re-writing of community lines will get hastened.
bulbul Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 That worries me' date=' specially because I'm Karnatakan (South Canara) and there might some over-spill in the neighboring areas of Kerala. Political dynamics won't be affected, but there will be migrations (has been happening for a while anyway). Re-writing of community lines will get hastened.[/quote'] Bhatkal is mini Pakistan anyway.
bulbul Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 For all the talk about demonizing Kerala Muslims' date=' I haven't heard of any riots in Kerala for years now.[/quote'] Kannur have annual communal violence quota.
CSK Fan Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 No need to recruit. Thousands are already can't wait to join' date=' who don't hesitate to kill thier own countrymen if given chance. ISIS just need to arrange proper transport[/quote'] False. I would want you to stop spreading malicious rumors to suit your own agenda. Unlike European countries, how many Indians have gone to join ISIS though we have one of the largest muslim population in the world compared to those countries? All the major terrorist attacks we have had in India, people from other countries had to come here. 26/11? All the internal attacks have been very minor ones which shows they have a hard time finding internal recruits. Even in Kashmir the militants most of the time have to cross the border to conduct attacks. The most dangerous things is people like you who would want nothing better than to sow enemity even if country burns because it will suit your one point agenda.
CSK Fan Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 You know what happens if these people get arrested right? What happens? Please educate me. As far as I know many, many innocent Muslims have been arrested and jailed just on suspicion alone.
G_B_ Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 False. I would want you to stop spreading malicious rumors to suit your own agenda. Unlike European countries, how many Indians have gone to join ISIS though we have one of the largest muslim population in the world compared to those countries? All the major terrorist attacks we have had in India, people from other countries had to come here. 26/11? All the internal attacks have been very minor ones which shows they have a hard time finding internal recruits. Even in Kashmir the militants most of the time have to cross the border to conduct attacks. The most dangerous things is people like you who would want nothing better than to sow enemity even if country burns because it will suit your one point agenda. maybe they dont have the means.... you need to be able to afford the flight right?
Texan Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 What happens? Please educate me. As far as I know many' date= many innocent Muslims have been arrested and jailed just on suspicion alone. As soon as one is arrested, you and some others will start a campaign about how the Modi government is "worsening the communal situation" by arresting innocent Muslims. Your post itself talks about "many many" innocent Muslims being arrested.
bulbul Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 What happens? Please educate me. As far as I know many' date=' many innocent Muslims have been arrested and jailed just on suspicion alone.[/quote'] Same thing as Texan said... Many many innocent Hindus also goes to jail every year.
Desi Cartman Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 maybe they dont have the means.... you need to be able to afford the flight right? Maybe not a lot of them want to go, could that be a possibility?
Kalia_Test Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 I prefer that these type of news articles don't even make into mainstream media. Put all the ba$tards who join ISIS or militant Islamic groups behind bars and take them through the legal process giving them all their rights they are entitled to but ban media. And before someone cries of free press,etc, we already have this in place. No MSM in India is supposed to reveal which community is victim/aggressor in communal riots. Greater Good is important.
G_B_ Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Maybe not a lot of them want to go' date=' could that be a possibility?[/quote'] could be the case... anything is possible. nobody can really know either way, everything is a matter of opinion. Most ISIS fighters from Europe goto Turkey and then cross over the border. Istanbul being a major tourist destination are plenty of no frills cheap flights from various cities all across Europe. Does India have that degree of cheap connectivity? Especially with Turkey.
Precambrian Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 could be the case... anything is possible. nobody can really know either way, everything is a matter of opinion. Most ISIS fighters from Europe goto Turkey and then cross over the border. Istanbul being a major tourist destination are plenty of no frills cheap flights from various cities all across Europe. Does India have that degree of cheap connectivity? Especially with Turkey. India has only Turkish Airlines which operate direct flights to Istanbul - from both Delhi and Bombay. But alternative option is to fly to Dubai (many no frills airlines avl) and from there catch a Fly Dubai flight to Istanbul.
G_B_ Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 India has only Turkish Airlines which operate direct flights to Istanbul - from both Delhi and Bombay. But alternative option is to fly to Dubai (many no frills airlines avl) and from there catch a Fly Dubai flight to Istanbul. Adds to the cost though....
Desi Cartman Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Adds to the cost though.... wouldnt they get almost unlimited funding if they were to join? If its so widespread, wouldnt there be enough people to donate money? I think kehne aur karne mein farak hai, on this forum I have read about a war with Pakistan, do you think the same people would go to fight or prefer to fight themselves.
Vilander Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 I have no doubt that it is in India that ISIS will fail. Indian Muslims will self correct, it is not in Indian ethos to let this happen. This is not the time to be cynical, its time to communicate strongly and nationalistically,hope Modiji does this, he needs to guide us through the phase.
Detonator Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 False. I would want you to stop spreading malicious rumors to suit your own agenda. Unlike European countries, how many Indians have gone to join ISIS though we have one of the largest muslim population in the world compared to those countries? All the major terrorist attacks we have had in India, people from other countries had to come here. 26/11? All the internal attacks have been very minor ones which shows they have a hard time finding internal recruits. Even in Kashmir the militants most of the time have to cross the border to conduct attacks. The most dangerous things is people like you who would want nothing better than to sow enemity even if country burns because it will suit your one point agenda. I wish my post be false dood. These people hurt our good Muslims the most. But can you prove it otherwise? I already replied to u in another thread with some facts , but still u choose to be n denial. As i said before, people wont wave the IS or IM flag in the airport while leaving the country. Dont even start about illegal hitching into the gulf. When people think about terrorists, they tend to imagine the filmsy version. Not everyone wears masks and go into combat with AK47. There are drivers, medics, communicators, scouts, engineers, planners, suppliers etc,. Most importantly the organized terrorist groups have a paramilitary lurking , just like a state military. Google it.
CSK Fan Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 I wish my post be false dood. These people hurt our good Muslims the most. But can you prove it otherwise? I already replied to u in another thread with some facts , but still u choose to be n denial. As i said before, people wont wave the IS or IM flag in the airport while leaving the country. Dont even start about illegal hitching into the gulf. When people think about terrorists, they tend to imagine the filmsy version. Not everyone wears masks and go into combat with AK47. There are drivers, medics, communicators, scouts, engineers, planners, suppliers etc,. Most importantly the organized terrorist groups have a paramilitary lurking , just like a state military. Google it. Please give the google link. If what you said was true, why don't we have more attacks? Why were all the major attacks always need to involve outsiders and not insiders? Why was there another desperate and failed attempt to use a ship instead of using the so called "paramilitary" As for you claiming that people illegally hitchhiked to join ISIS etc, you do know that Indian and other countries intelligence are tracking actively those who have joined and are helping these groups? So we do have a fair estimate of how many from each country actually joined There is a reason I am saying such rumors are the biggest danger to India. If someone keeps blaming me and calling me or my relatives terrorists, sooner or later I, as a human being, am bound to feel resentment and bitterness. I will feel alienated, not connected. Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy The self-fulfilling prophecy is, in the beginning, a false definition of the situation evoking a new behavior which makes the original false conception come true. This specious validity of the self-fulfilling prophecy perpetuates a reign of error. For the prophet will cite the actual course of events as proof that he was right from the very beginning.[1] Students who are called good from the beginning start behaving good and vice versa.
G_B_ Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 wouldnt they get almost unlimited funding if they were to join? If its so widespread' date= wouldnt there be enough people to donate money? I think kehne aur karne mein farak hai, on this forum I have read about a war with Pakistan, do you think the same people would go to fight or prefer to fight themselves. not really all these fighters of ISIS from europe were all self funded. Blame the generous benefits system. ISIS itself is reeling from a fall in oil prices. Maybe people want to donate but then people will raise questions and those funding will be caught? Now among muslims obviously the shia population will most certainly not want to join ISIS for obvious reasons. That much i can speculate and be confident about. The point being nobody really knows if Indian muslims want to join ISIS in large numbers or not. Lack of fighters in ISIS zones of Indian origin is a poor metric. There are multiple factors from cost of the flight as a raito to salary to Indian security forces being vigilant to many families relying on their males to earn so they cant ditch their family etc. IMO its wrong to speculate. Nobody really knows the true nature and degree of sympathy etc for ISIS in India.
Precambrian Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Adds to the cost though.... Not really, the non stop Turkish Airlines flight costs around INR 36,000 (tomorrow's ticket) from New Delhi Travelling through Dubai: To Dubai - 16,000 From Dubai to Istanbul - 13,000 Source : Makemytrip.
Precambrian Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 not really all these fighters of ISIS from europe were all self funded. Blame the generous benefits system. ISIS itself is reeling from a fall in oil prices. Maybe people want to donate but then people will raise questions and those funding will be caught? Now among muslims obviously the shia population will most certainly not want to join ISIS for obvious reasons. That much i can speculate and be confident about. The point being nobody really knows if Indian muslims want to join ISIS in large numbers or not. Lack of fighters in ISIS zones of Indian origin is a poor metric. There are multiple factors from cost of the flight as a raito to salary to Indian security forces being vigilant to many families relying on their males to earn so they cant ditch their family etc. IMO its wrong to speculate. Nobody really knows the true nature and degree of sympathy etc for ISIS in India. ISIS is desperate for funds and that is why they are into kidnappings these days.
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