Who was the forefather of (spin) chuckers?

[Raghav_12]

This episode puts some perspective to Swann's success as an off-spinner in today's time. It was sheer delight to see him bowl. Absolutely classical rythmatic action.

[maniac]

This episode puts some perspective to Swann's success as an off-spinner in today's time. It was sheer delight to see him bowl. Absolutely classical rythmatic action.

Agree....his closest competitors in Offspin who have had a clean action are Ashwin and Mendis....that should put things into perspective

[vijay50]

Malinga is faster version of chucking along with lakmal' date='lanka is origin of chucking[/quote'] You left Senanayake, the baap of 2014 chucking. Once he was caught chuking by ICC for bending 42 degrees, the can of worms opened. Now this chuckanayake is cleared by SLC and will be back in WC to chuck more and win Lanka title. Think of line up of Malinga, Lakmal, Senanayake ready to chuck through and win WC 2015.

[Raghav_12]

You left Senanayake, the baap of 2014 chucking. Once he was caught chuking by ICC for bending 42 degrees, the can of worms opened. Now this chuckanayake is cleared by SLC and will be back in WC to chuck more and win Lanka title. Think of line up of Malinga, Lakmal, Senanayake ready to chuck through and win WC 2015.

why Malinga is there in this list?

[kira]

lol people naming malinga, are you guys blind or you just don't know what chucking is? Malinga has the cleanest action possible,do your research on chucking b4 posting names and making yourself look stupid :giggle:

[Texan]

Hard to say because until about 10 - 12 years ago, there was no "15 degree rule" that permitted slight flexing of the arm. So, if you use that strict measure, pretty much every bowler chucked.

A later study from 2000-2003 showed that bowling actions that looked normal to the naked eye in many of the world's elite fast bowlers had, on average, 9 degrees of elbow extension during the bowling action. Some recorded elbow extension measuring between 10-15 degrees, yet none of these bowlers had ever had a problem regarding the legality of their bowling action. This testing showed that a zero tolerance threshold, and the tiered thresholds implemented in the late 90's, had no or little scientific merit. The study, conducted by the Australian Institute of Sport Biomechanics department, lead by cricket biomechanist Dr. Marc Portus, involved taking three-dimensional video based biomechanical analyses during tour, test and one-day international matches in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. Results from this work indicated that video based measurement error in such a scenario, using best practice methodologies, was 3 degrees. This report was submitted to the ICC in 2003, which instigated the review of the illegal action definition and processes.[7] Subsequent to this the ICC received data from laboratory based analyses, on the basis that these measurement environments are more controlled, involving more sophisticated measurement technologies such as the Vicon Motion Analysis system. These were subject to less measurement error. Data was provided by the Australian Institute of Sport, the University of Western Australia and the Motion Analysis Corporation system from the University of Auckland. The ICC also carried out further video based three-dimensional analyses on all bowlers during the 2004 Champions Trophy in England. Regardless of the biomechanical measurement protocol used, a strikingly similar pattern emerged: the normal biomechanics of cricket bowling, whether it be spin or pace, features an element of elbow extension. The average extension of a normal, seemingly legal delivery was 8-10 degrees for all bowler types. There were virtually zero instances of no elbow extension at all in accordance with the original laws. The ICC formed an expert panel comprising biomechanists Professor Bruce Elliott of The University of Western Australia, Dr Marc Portus of the Australian Institute of Sport and Dr Paul Hurrion from the UK who presented during a forum of a special ICC cricket sub-committee for illegal bowling actions in late 2003 in Dubai. The sub-committee was David Richardson, Angus Fraser, Aravinda De Silva, Michael Holding, Tony Lewis and Tim May. After this meeting the ICC decided to raise the elbow extension tolerance threshold to 15 degrees for all bowlers. This limit was chosen after considering biomechanical findings from 130 pace and spin bowlers, the scientific issues with measurement, and that bowling actions considered to be "throw-like", or illegal, were usually measured to be well above 15 degrees of elbow extension, often in the 20 to 30 degree range.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throwing_(cricket)

[Texan]

Considering that the new rules came in around 2003 and some bowlers around the world started using long sleeves for the sole objective of dodging officials from deeming their action illegal, I would say that all of them knowingly cheated and got away for a very long time.

[Crookbond]

Saqlain's Doosra was bowled by under cutting the ball with a rip towards the right. You don't need to chuck for that - just practice enough.

[Detonator]

Must be this dood. Name is Tony Lock

[rkt.india]

Saqlain's Doosra was bowled by under cutting the ball with a rip towards the right. You don't need to chuck for that - just practice enough.

and his doosra used to be slow, but Ajmal and Narine bowls at a quick pace which is not possible legally until you have elastic wrist.

[Kadesh]

It was chuckali. A fun thing to do is to watch videos of Chuckali from early in his career and compare them with those later on. I do not doubt his claims of having an arm deformity and perma-bent arm, however it is clear from the videos that once he knew he could get away with it he did it a lot more. The same for Ajmal - compare this video of his Debut in 2008 [ame=http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x65ieu_saeed-ajmal-debut-pakistan-v-india_sport]Saeed Ajmal Debut - Pakistan v India - Asia Cup 2008 - Video Dailymotion[/ame] with this one of him bowling this year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZldPss8g7g Clear he has chucked more and more the more they let him get away with it.

[mishra]

^ Couldnt find many fault in first game action but around 4:43rd min where there is a appeal against Rohit, You can clearly say its a chuck. PS: I switched on the sound after noticing the chuck and commentator seems to be saying its doosara

[Raghav_12]

It was chuckali. A fun thing to do is to watch videos of Chuckali from early in his career and compare them with those later on. I do not doubt his claims of having an arm deformity and perma-bent arm, however it is clear from the videos that once he knew he could get away with it he did it a lot more. The same for Ajmal - compare this video of his Debut in 2008 Saeed Ajmal Debut - Pakistan v India - Asia Cup 2008 - Video Dailymotion with this one of him bowling this year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZldPss8g7g Clear he has chucked more and more the more they let him get away with it.

Ajmal got that youtube video taken off :((. it says not available.

[Kadesh]

As far as I'm concerned doosra = chuck. It's not about making it fairer for bowlers by giving offies a googly. The googly isn't a chuck from a leggie. Offspinners should focus more on the carrom ball and other variations - that seems to be bowled perfectly fairly by bowlers like Mendis and Ashwin (at least when ashwin isn't using his chucking action) and Herath.

[Kadesh]

Ajmal got that youtube video taken off :((. it says not available.

It's only available in USA. This one isn't as recent but it shows that he chucks more since his debut

[Alph]

In the case of Muralitharan, under the previous ICC regulation he was a chucker... almost every bowler was. Under the current regulation there seems to be no conclusive evidence that he was a chucker.