Chalks Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Indigenous Australians (Aborigines) were almost wiped out by the white settlers. No mention of that?
Kalia_Test Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Many of them believe they ruled over India meaning that they believe their forefathers were not converted, others believe that they embraced Islam meaning there were no pressures to convert. So there are mixed views among pakis:cantstop: Don't tell me Pakistani muslims feel they ruled over India. That would be the biggest irony :haha: They were actually the ones prevailed upon and should actually be angry at what their forefathers and womenfolk had to undergo in hands of invaders.
jalebi_bhai Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Yes , very very few people that Ahom Kings managed to defend their sovereignty against Mughal forces. The Kingdom even used their navy to good effect. I just wonder whats the history between Mughals and Nepal/Bhutan/Burma. Did the Mughal armies never tried to capture these lands ? Yep. The South and South-Eastern Empires fought very valiantly against invaders. :agree: I'll probably get into reading the the history of South Asia later this year. Too many things to deal with right now :nervous:
jalebi_bhai Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Over centuries and over generations ? :cantstop: Believe it or not, yes :giggle: Bhai, aaj bhi, they name all their missiles and tanks after foreign invaders and Arab rulers.
CSK Fan Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Holocaust is remembered as it is a part of modern history and considered recent past. The reason holocaust deniers and nazi symbols etc are banned or skirted around is because of potential of damage to real human beings. It is not to spare the sentiments and feelings of the jews. It is considered a shameful part of history and they do not want it to reoccur again. So even to avoid that 0.015 chance of it reoccurring again, they tread this issue cautiously. Does this apply to before India was even made?
randomGuy Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Don't tell me Pakistani muslims feel they ruled over India. That would be the biggest irony :haha: They were actually the ones prevailed upon and should actually be angry at what their forefathers and womenfolk had to undergo in hands of invaders. Read post#24 by jalebi. :cantstop:
G_B_ Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Holocaust is remembered as it is a part of modern history and considered recent past. The reason holocaust deniers and nazi symbols etc are banned or skirted around is because of potential of damage to real human beings. It is not to spare the sentiments and feelings of the jews. It is considered a shameful part of history and they do not want it to reoccur again. So even to avoid that 0.015 chance of it reoccurring again, they tread this issue cautiously. Does this apply to before India was even made? So accurate, 3 decimals. What more can you ask for, your use of the facts has convinced me of your argument. Did you get this number from Saytamava Jayate?
panther Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 How did Islam reach sri lanka, no army was sent there?
CSK Fan Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 So accurate, 3 decimals. What more can you ask for, your use of the facts has convinced me of your argument. Did you get this number from Saytamava Jayate? He, he, the 5 was supposed to be the % sign. Typo. Anyways, I was saying a very low probability of it happening again
jalebi_bhai Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 How did Islam reach sri lanka' date=' no army was sent there?[/quote'] How did Islam reach US, no army was sent there either?
panther Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 How did Islam reach US' date=' no army was sent there either?[/quote'] Approximately 20-30% of the people of west africa transported to usa were muslim but were converted by their christian owners.
Detonator Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Forget the past. Right now we have thousands of fanatic islamists who infiltrated deep in the country trying to carry out an attack and kill for fun. And we have millions of "moderates" who are potential fanatics, when given chance. And we have those fake honey tongues, who love the Kafirs outside and hate them inside. And those who are on mission to convert as much as possible. I am yet to find a "secular" one though, since there is nothing like that in their holy book.
CSK Fan Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Forget the past. Right now we have thousands of fanatic islamists who infiltrated deep in the country trying to carry out an attack and kill for fun. And we have millions of "moderates" who are potential fanatics' date=' when given chance. And we have those fake honey tongues, who love the Kafirs outside and hate them inside. And those who are on mission to convert as much as possible. I am yet to find a "secular" one though, since there is nothing like that in their holy book.[/quote'] Actually I am very hopeful this isn't the case. In Europe thousands have deserted the countries to go and fight for ISIS, etc. How many in India? The biggest terrorist attacks we had in India, all needed external help. Terrorists had to be hired from other countries. All the internal attacks which have happened were very low intensity. It is very clear that they are having difficulties getting recruits and suicide bombers in India. Compare to countries like Pakistan where suicide bombing happens almost every month All these tell me that India's Muslims are very far from being radicalized. However, our biggest danger would be alienating them, tarring everyone with the same brush. This is exactly what the terrorists want because this is what will give them maximum recruits and make them go against the country.
Kalia_Test Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Read post#24 by jalebi. :cantstop: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: How is this different from say my Apartment watchman Pochiraju getting some money from some Christian missionary to convert to Paul Pochiraju and claiming from next day that he and his ancestors ruled over India for 200 years :giggle::giggle::giggle:
Old guy Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Actually I am very hopeful this isn't the case. In Europe thousands have deserted the countries to go and fight for ISIS, etc. How many in India? The biggest terrorist attacks we had in India, all needed external help. Terrorists had to be hired from other countries. All the internal attacks which have happened were very low intensity. It is very clear that they are having difficulties getting recruits and suicide bombers in India. Compare to countries like Pakistan where suicide bombing happens almost every month All these tell me that India's Muslims are very far from being radicalized. However, our biggest danger would be alienating them, tarring everyone with the same brush. This is exactly what the terrorists want because this is what will give them maximum recruits and make them go against the country. This I agree with so much .. I think these terrorist organisations are really smart and only real winners out of these recent events where people are becoming more and more islamiphobic ..this is exactly what they want ..
panther Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Actually I am very hopeful this isn't the case. In Europe thousands have deserted the countries to go and fight for ISIS, etc. How many in India? The biggest terrorist attacks we had in India, all needed external help. Terrorists had to be hired from other countries. All the internal attacks which have happened were very low intensity. It is very clear that they are having difficulties getting recruits and suicide bombers in India. Compare to countries like Pakistan where suicide bombing happens almost every month All these tell me that India's Muslims are very far from being radicalized. However, our biggest danger would be alienating them, tarring everyone with the same brush. This is exactly what the terrorists want because this is what will give them maximum recruits and make them go against the country. Lucknow is full of people with this mindset, also ahle-hadith is gaining ground in India which is basically salafiya in the subcontinent.
jalebi_bhai Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Approximately 20-30% of the people of west africa transported to usa were muslim but were converted by their christian owners. Well, before anything happened, the Africans had their own indigenous belief systems, like the ancient Hindus. Problem was, the Africans were too fragmented. So it was easy to convert them. The Sri Lankan Tamils share the same history as the Mappila's in South India. Traders who were allowed to settle down and start their families as long as they didn't misbehave.
jalebi_bhai Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: How is this different from say my Apartment watchman Pochiraju getting some money from some Christian missionary to convert to Paul Pochiraju and claiming from next day that he and his ancestors ruled over India for 200 years :giggle::giggle::giggle: While it might be a laughing matter to us, for Pakistanis, the laurels of that distorted history is what binds them together, along with the Kashmir issue. The case of your watchman could be about gaining immediate benefits for his family. (different topic, so i'll stop) This is why I hope the current govt. fixes the history in our books, starting with discrediting the Aryan Invasion Theory.
panther Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: How is this different from say my Apartment watchman Pochiraju getting some money from some Christian missionary to convert to Paul Pochiraju and claiming from next day that he and his ancestors ruled over India for 200 years :giggle::giggle::giggle: This is only among some punjabies, they have severe inferiority complex, although some of them are descendants of lodhi, tughluk etc they no longer speak pushto or farsi and are totally assimilated into punjabi culture.
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