asterix Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 ^ I am just quoting from Kavita's article . i have provided the link above. The rest is your imagination since i have not made any such observation. Well I thought you agree with what Kavita is saying hence... Sorry for the confusion...
Raghav_12 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Like she has freedom of expression' date=' those bhakts also have that. If she can tweet such things against not an ordinary person but a PM, she should be ready for the backlash too. [b']She can easily be booked under cyber crime insulting the PM. Don't think there are any specific laws to protect just PM from online insult. She could have been booked under section 66 of IT act but that has been repealed after being found unconstitutional. Modi has option of filing defamation case. But I am sure Modi will not take that option as it will open up that snooping row which Modi and regime worked hard to throw under carpets. Ever since that case had come in limelight, there has been no explanation on why that woman was stalked using government machinery. On Kavita Krishnan, I don't know her political affiliations but I know her as strong feminazi who just speaks randomly and viciously. See finds negative and vile patriarchy in everything of this world.
Raghav_12 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 " Over three months of surveillance, why didn't the Gujarat government procure the requisite legal order which would have made the surveillance legal? The BJP, defending the snooping, has never yet been able to claim that such legal orders were procured. Indeed, if the legal orders existed, the BJP could have silenced us all simply by making public those documents proving the snooping operation to be legal and bonafide. Why, then, was it kept secret and off the records? The facts indicate that this was because its purpose was not to protect a woman or a citizen from a crime, but rather to facilitate a crime: the crime of stalking a woman. " -------------------------------------- Those who have read the transcripts and listened to the audio recordings between Shah and Singhal will agree with kavita's assessment . Are those transcripts and recordings available in public domain? Please do share/post link if available.
amiret Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 @Raghav_12: They were available earlier . Both transcripts and audio recordings between Shah and GL Singhal. If i am not mistaken , the content of the recordings was never disputed but only their context . this is the only LINK i could find . @asterix : i agree partially with Kavita. There were many gross improprieties .
rkt.india Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 @Raghav_12: They were available earlier . Both transcripts and audio recordings between Shah and GL Singhal. If i am not mistaken , the content of the recordings was never disputed but only their context . this is the only LINK i could find . @asterix : i agree partially with Kavita. There were many gross improprieties . Was it a father-daughter case?
G_B_ Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 there seems to be a lot of hate coming out of Kerala and tamil nadu for the BJP in general. Its as if people are aware of the rise of the bjp within those states and this is a pre-emptive strike...
Raghav_12 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 there seems to be a lot of hate coming out of Kerala and tamil nadu for the BJP in general. Its as if people are aware of the rise of the bjp within those states and this is a pre-emptive strike... I don't think Kavita krishnan's diatribe is part of any planned strategy. She simply loves to give these kind of statements. Here she sensed an opportunity and she took that.
Khalpat Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I don't think Kavita krishnan's diatribe is part of any planned strategy. She simply loves to give these kind of statements. Here she sensed an opportunity and she took that. And she failed. BTW, I posted #selfiewithdaughter on my twitter account. Felt really good.
diga Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 would you want your daughter to be a kavita krishnan type - excesively feminist./always complaining/ communist ? I am not sure I want mine to be one.. given a choice most of us would want normal daughters.
G_B_ Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I was telling me wife the other day. She asked me what i wanted boy or girl with a sort of scared way. I said i could not give a fudge as long as long as the baby was healthy and happy. One thing i sort of agree in general is that selfiewithdaughter is a fantastic initiative. It costs nothing and raised awareness. But i do hope that the women's reservation bill does pass. As somebody who comes from Maharashtra (or family hails from there) its shocking to see there are no major women politicians. Neither the Congress-NCP nor the Sena-BJP have had any politicians on note. A women's reservation bill will ensure that more women leaders emerge. BJP in this term should pass it. I am sure even the congress will back it. Only people who would opposed is the Janata pariwar.
mishra Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Its cos of people with opinions like her who can find fault with #SelfieWithDaughter, People like me oppose non-bailable arrests in heinous cases like rape. These women do more harm/distrust to women cause. Alternativaely you can say, they invoke logic than emotions when it comes to suppoting women from males perspective
rkt.india Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Don't think there are any specific laws to protect just PM from online insult. She could have been booked under section 66 of IT act but that has been repealed after being found unconstitutional. . Good that it has been repealed.
Raghav_12 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 And she failed. BTW' date= I posted #selfiewithdaughter on my twitter account. Felt really good. Not exactly. It again brought to public attention that a woman was snooped and stalked using govt machinery and there has never been any explanation for that. Though Kavita Krishnan was wrong in linking selfie with daughter initiative with that incident. That was pure hatred.
asterix Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Not exactly. It again brought to public attention that a woman was snooped and stalked using govt machinery and there has never been any explanation for that. Though Kavita Krishnan was wrong in linking selfie with daughter initiative with that incident. That was pure hatred. What is a way ahead in the snooping case other than lodging a PIL in Courts? Bringing attention like this, in a crass way, wont help. If one is genuinely concerned, the best way is to approach the judiciary...
Raghav_12 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 What is a way ahead in the snooping case other than lodging a PIL in Courts? Bringing attention like this' date=' in a crass way, wont help. If one is genuinely concerned, the best way is to approach the judiciary...[/quote'] and I know judiciary had refused to pursue this. Fair point. But if I remember corrcetly, Gujrat govt never came clean on why she was being followed.
asterix Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 and I know judiciary had refused to pursue this. Fair point. But if I remember corrcetly' date=' Gujrat govt never came clean on why she was being followed.[/quote'] No Govt. will come clean on their own... Not just BJP. But if Courts don't see any merit in the case, what can one do? BCCI recently gave 'clean chits' to 3 CSK players.. A bit of research might confirm that both Indian players had received property gifts from dodgy people. Now either you've to accept it or go to courts. Expecting BCCI or the players themselves to come clean is too much...
amiret Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Quoting Kavita : "During three months of surveillance, cops snooped not only on the woman but on her family, her would-be-husband, and her acquaintances. If indeed her father and family had requested the snooping and she was grateful for it, why didn't she and her family cooperate with the police in the project of protection? Why did the police have to illegally tap all their phones? These and other questions have been asked and answered in the Snoopgate expose - the result is that the BJP tall tale claiming it was all to protect a daughter in response to her father's plea, just don't add up." --------------------------------------- As i recollect , this is what the audio conversations (recorded by Singhal ) also indicated . The protectee or the target (An Adult Woman ) had no knowledge of being given security . In one of the conversations the Cop uses the word "Escaped " to refer to the conduct of the target/protectee at an airport . If they were indeed providing security , the cop would not have reported to his superior that she had Escaped . The BJP claimed that the snooping was done in response to a desperate request by the target's father, to "protect" her. Affidavits submitted to the court too claimed that the woman and her father were "grateful" for the snooping. But this does not answer the question: why, if the phone tap and surveillance had a legal and noble motive, did the chief minister, home minister and Gujarat government not find time to secure legal permission for it all?
amiret Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Kavita has successfully exposed the hypocrisy of many who Tooted #selfiewithdaughter AND statements like "Jail the B!*ch". And Her critics simply have no answer to her uncomfortable questions : " This isn't about whether the woman and her dad today claim that they are okay with having been snooped on. Criminal violations of laws are a crime against society - the state is obliged to take cognisance of it if facts are in the public domain. The facts, leaked to the public, indicate that the Gujarat government illegally conducted surveillance on a citizen, a woman. Yet, the right questions are not being asked, the matter has been suppressed, and Saheb is able to posture as a protector of women and daughters " LINK
mishra Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 ^ Your knowledge amazes me so is your logic. But how does all this baseless stupid acts and questions is going to help Modi's Save the Girl Campaign. If she has issues with PM (who probably dont know her name) why not lodge a case in court? If anything people should be asking, being a woman, why is she attacking that campaign of his?
RedFever Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 AAPtards trying to defend anti national CPM leader Kavita Krishnan :hysterical:
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