sandeep Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Zaidi. Sure. You guys know that in order to succeed in cricket, you have to bowl well along with bowling phaast? Next I will read about the great David Johnson on this thread. Link to comment
CG Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I have followed indian cricket from 1996 and I can safely say most of early pacers were hyped up and failed short.Many bowlers could touch 140ks odd ball but lacked stamina to maintain pace we had many hyped of bowlers in 1990s .During 2000s Zak,nehra,Agarkar were quick in odis when they started but at test they were 130ks even abroad.Irfan pathan was hyped as he touched 140ks but he was only medium fast at test level and against batsman of countried who played pace well struggled.Next Came likes of sreesanth,R.p singh who were as good as talents india had in longtime Nippy pace with Ability to swing the ball.Sadly they never would fulfill their potential.Current lot is the best bowling combination in Indian Cricket history . speedheat, Mosher and Rightarmfast 3 Link to comment
speedheat Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I have followed indian cricket from 1996 and I can safely say most of early pacers were hyped up and failed short.Many bowlers could touch 140ks odd ball but lacked stamina to maintain pace we had many hyped of bowlers in 1990s .During 2000s Zak,nehra,Agarkar were quick in odis when they started but at test they were 130ks even abroad.Irfan pathan was hyped as he touched 140ks but he was only medium fast at test level and against batsman of countried who played pace well struggled.Next Came likes of sreesanth,R.p singh who were as good as talents india had in longtime Nippy pace with Ability to swing the ball.Sadly they never would fulfill their potential.Current lot is the best bowling combination in Indian Cricket history . Great sir, couldn't agree more 👍👍 Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 On 11/1/2015 at 4:36 AM, express bowling said: Indian pacers who have bowled fast after 1984 according to my impression ( may or may not be fully correct as speed guns were not always there ) For multiple years Javagal Srinath, Ashish Zaidi, Ishant Sharma ( alternate years ), Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron, Mohammad Shami ( some spells ) Upto a Couple of seasons Raju Kulkarni ( maybe ), Salil Ankola, Sandeep Sharma ( old ), Zaheer Khan, Ajit Agarkar, S. Sreesanth ( some spells ), Munaf Patel, VRV Singh, Salgaonkar. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, Vijy said: Salgaonkar. Dont think Salgaonkar played for India but he may have been genuinely quick. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, Rightarmfast said: Dont think Salgaonkar played for India but he may have been genuinely quick. He didn't play, but I was responding to an earlier post where even domestic players were listed. It is believed by most contemporaries (including Sunny G) that Sal was genuinely quick. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 In that case, there were more. I know of atleast 2 bowlers from Bihar who were genuinely quick. And one of them genuinely bowled in excess of 150k's. Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: In that case, there were more. I know of atleast 2 bowlers from Bihar who were genuinely quick. And one of them genuinely bowled in excess of 150k's. Who? Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Vijy said: Who? The guy who bowled in 150's was Sunil Singh, if I remember his name correctly. And the other guy who was genuinely quick was the guy who's video I posted here in 2011, Rehan Khan express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: The guy who bowled in 150's was Sunil Singh, if I remember his name correctly. And the other guy who was genuinely quick was the guy who's video I posted here in 2011, Rehan Khan Have not heard of either. One Sunil Singh from Jharkand was a batsman Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Vijy said: Have not heard of either. One Sunil Singh from Jharkand was a batsman That's the exact point, there would be so many genuine quicks in India but they were never given chance. Bihar is not affiliated to BCCI for internal fights between BCCI and Bihar Board, hence none of the players are allowed to play domestic cricket. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: That's the exact point, there would be so many genuine quicks in India but they were never given chance. Bihar is not affiliated to BCCI for internal fights between BCCI and Bihar Board, hence none of the players are allowed to play domestic cricket. Obviously the potential of 1.3 billion people has not been harnessed properly Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, Vijy said: Have not heard of either. One Sunil Singh from Jharkand was a batsman Sunil Singh used to play in 90's. He was playing during Srinath's time. But according to cricketers from Bihar, BCCI and even javagal Srinath used to know him and they used to know he was faster than Srinath. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: Sunil Singh used to play in 90's. He was playing during Srinath's time. But according to cricketers from Bihar, BCCI and even javagal Srinath used to know him and they used to know he was faster than Srinath. must have been over 150 kmph, because even sri was achieving these speeds then. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) On Sunday, November 01, 2015 at 3:06 PM, express bowling said: Indian pacers who have bowled fast after 1984 according to my impression ( may or may not be fully correct as speed guns were not always there ) For multiple years Javagal Srinath, Ashish Zaidi, Ishant Sharma ( alternate years ), Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron, Mohammad Shami Upto a Couple of seasons TA Sekhar Raju Kulkarni ( maybe ), Salil Ankola, Sandeep Sharma ( old ), Zaheer Khan, Ashish Nehra ( some spells ) Ajit Agarkar, S. Sreesanth ( some spells ), R.P. Singh ( some spells ) Munaf Patel, VRV Singh, Updated list -- Indian pacers who have bowled fast from 1984 according to my impression ( may or may not be fully correct as speed guns were not always there ) For multiple years Javagal Srinath, Ashish Zaidi, Ishant Sharma ( alternate years ), Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron, Mohammad Shami Jasprit Bumrah ( started to do so ) Upto a Couple of seasons TA Sekhar Raju Kulkarni ( maybe ), Salil Ankola, Sandeep Sharma ( old ), Zaheer Khan, Ashish Nehra ( some spells ) Ajit Agarkar, S. Sreesanth ( some spells ), R.P. Singh ( some spells ) Munaf Patel, VRV Singh, Fast bowlers in domestic cricket now -- Khejroliya Siraj Nathu Thampi Avesh Edited June 25, 2017 by express bowling Mosher and Rightarmfast 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vijy said: Salgaonkar. Salgaokar bowled in the '70s and I never saw him bowl. Even TA Sekhar was genuinely fast for atleast a couple of years around 1984. Edited June 25, 2017 by express bowling Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 On 10/28/2015 at 8:35 PM, Rightarmfast said: If you check Sachin Tendulkar's interview which Tom Alter took in 1989, the young Sachin Tendulkar mentioned that Raju Kulkarni was the fastest Indian bowler he had faced till then. Oh i have seen him bowl. yes quickish but not earth shaking by any means . Was a one trick pony , just used to bowl balls coming in kosingh 1 Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, express bowling said: Salgaokar bowled in the '70s and I never saw him bowl. Even TA Sekhar was genuinely fast for atleast a couple of years around 1984. There is tendency to hype re: yesteryears folks because hardly few saw them bowl. there were articles in magazines which were mostly followed and that created impression in our minds with some fantasy masala added in. I remember how a famous magazine had full coverage before the 79 world cup and there was so much written about Sandeep Patil , something like hitting balls from marine drive gymkhana to another nearby ground . He was a big hitter no doubt , but after watching him on TV , it was not like what was was portrayed in those articles. I suspect similar was the case in these phaast cases , They bowled few overs of pure pace , not sure they really were accurate . Also those were pre - helmet era. Few hits batsmen would back away after seeing some one getting hit . The aura then grows even bigger . express bowling and Vk1 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said: There is tendency to hype re: yesteryears folks because hardly few saw them bowl. there were articles in magazines which were mostly followed and that created impression in our minds with some fantasy masala added in. I remember how a famous magazine had full coverage before the 79 world cup and there was so much written about Sandeep Patil , something like hitting balls from marine drive gymkhana to another nearby ground . He was a big hitter no doubt , but after watching him on TV , it was not like what was was portrayed in those articles. I suspect similar was the case in these phaast cases , They bowled few overs of pure pace , not sure they really were accurate . Also those were pre - helmet era. Few hits batsmen would back away after seeing some one getting hit . The aura then grows even bigger . Very true....and that was the case with top international pacers even. Fast bowlers were those who threatened the batsmen physically for a few years in their careers....so basically those pacers who bowled good bouncers and short balls ....which is not solely dependent on pace, but also on the ability to get bounce, the pitches on which they generally bowled, accuracy of the bowler while bowling bouncers, seam position etc. Country from which the bowler came from, size of the bowler, how the bowler was marketed, how good the bowler was, how bouncy he was....all played in a part in creating the myth of the fast bowler. Wayne Daniel was a medium-fast bowler but since he came from the WI in the '80s, he was called fast. Even the great Malcolm Marshall dropped a lot of pace in the late '80s but not many talked about it. Garner was nothing more than fast-medium but very bouncy....no-one dared mention it. It was all a matter of aura and impression and that is what prevailed then. If speedgun readings did not become regular, Pollack would have been known as fast. Lack of sufficient TV coverage, lack of analytical data and imaginative, flowery journalism ..... created larger than life personas. tweaker, Rightarmfast and Vk1 3 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 5 hours ago, express bowling said: Updated list -- Indian pacers who have bowled fast from 1984 according to my impression ( may or may not be fully correct as speed guns were not always there ) For multiple years Javagal Srinath, Ashish Zaidi, Ishant Sharma ( alternate years ), Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron, Mohammad Shami Jasprit Bumrah ( started to do so ) Upto a Couple of seasons TA Sekhar Raju Kulkarni ( maybe ), Salil Ankola, Sandeep Sharma ( old ), Zaheer Khan, Ashish Nehra ( some spells ) Ajit Agarkar, S. Sreesanth ( some spells ), R.P. Singh ( some spells ) Munaf Patel, VRV Singh, Fast bowlers in domestic cricket now -- Khejroliya Siraj Nathu Thampi Avesh Atul Wassan. He for sure was genuinely quick. Not 150's, but definitely 145ish and plus. express bowling 1 Link to comment
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