Who do you prefer at no.4 in ODIs? Manish or Ajinkya?

[Lannister]

Who is discarding Pandey ?  I want both Pandey and Rahane to play.  Look how well Rahane has played in the last 2 series too. It is not waiting for him to develop , he is already there. 

Whether you like it or not Rahane will be in the team. I really doubt either Dhoni or Kohli ( If he becomes the captain next ) will drop  him permanently based on his recent great performances. Actually...dropping good quality players based impatience will get us nowhere.

And there lies the problem. Do you really think we can afford to play all 3 of Pandey, Rahane and Dhoni in the team? That is a recipe for disaster. Rahane can sit out atleast until Dhoni retires and may be go back to playing domestic to get back the rhythm. Sorry to disappoint you, but Rahane is just not cut out for limited over internationals.

[Vijy]

Yes but do we have the patience to wait for him to get better in ODIs. He could easily do the same in domestic games and if selectors feel he's confident enough to play again. After the wicket of Kohli we are pretty much into our tail, but Pandey turned it around with his century, the likes of which we've never seen by Rahane in his entire career in ODIs. And here instead of supporting this new found player, we are discarding him on the doubts that if he could play the same way against swing bowlers. This mentality will get us nowhere.

Neither is Dhobi in current form.

[express bowling]

And there lies the problem. Do you really think we can afford to play all 3 of Pandey, Rahane and Dhoni in the team? That is a recipe for disaster. Rahane can sit out atleast until Dhoni retires and may be go back to playing domestic to get back the rhythm. Sorry to disappoint you, but Rahane is just not cut out for limited over internationals.

What lack of rhythm are you talking about ?  Rahane is averaging 48.5 with a SR of 96 in his last 2 ODi series vs SA and Aus. A SR of  96 is very high batting at no.4.

[Vijy]

What lack of rhythm are you talking about ?  Rahane is averaging 48.5 with a SR of 96 in his last 2 ODi series vs SA and Aus. A SR of  96 is very high batting at no.4.

not much point quoting stats to someone who's already made up their mind 'bout jinx.

[express bowling]

not much point quoting stats to someone who's already made up their mind 'bout jinx.

True.

While it is true that Rahane is not an ideal player after the 45th over...his ODI skills till the 40th over have sharply improved in the last 6 months.

His early years of ODI failures is still haunting him

[Vijy]

 

True.

While it is true that Rahane is not an ideal player after the 45th over...his ODI skills till the 40th over have sharply improved in the last 6 months.

His early years of ODI failures is still haunting him

Yes, same junta forget that it took nohit 100+ odis and opening the batting to settle into the groove. the hypocrisy is blatant.

[express bowling]

@ Vijy

As we were discussing...it is always an option to drop one of Rahane or Dhawan or Pandey in a couple of matches based on playing conditions or form or balance of the team. But both Pandey and Rahane need to be in the team of 15 and open for selection in every ODI in the near future.

Only Rohit and Kohli should be absolute certainties in the top 4 in the near future ODis.

 

Edited January 25, 2016 by express bowling

[Vijy]

@ Vijy

As we were discussing...it is always an option to drop one of Rahane or Dhawan or Pandey in a couple of matches based on playing conditions or form or balance of the team. But both Pandey and Rahane need to be in the team of 15 and open for selection in every ODI in the near future.

Only Rohit and Kohli should be absolute certainties in the top 4 in the near future ODis.

 

True. And they should be rested in dead rubbers to try some rejigs of the order.

[jusarrived]

As well as Pandey Played in the last match , Rahane is a much more versatile player . For me he has to be in the playing 11 . I have no doubts that he can score ~100 sr consistently , its just a mental thing that he seems to panic in the last few overs . There is no reason Rahane can do everything Pandey can and probably more on difficult pitches . Hes a bit like Raina , one of the few players I have seen who time the ball well from the word go . 

Pandey's advantage is though is his positive attitude , hes unorthodox will play a lot of crisis match winnings but may not be very consistent . 

At this point , I would find a way to play both batsmen . 

[Vijy]

As well as Pandey Played in the last match , Rahane is a much more versatile player . For me he has to be in the playing 11 . I have no doubts that he can score ~100 sr consistently , its just a mental thing that he seems to panic in the last few overs . There is no reason Rahane can do everything Pandey can and probably more on difficult pitches . Hes a bit like Raina , one of the few players I have seen who time the ball well from the word go . 

Pandey's advantage is though is his positive attitude , hes unorthodox will play a lot of crisis match winnings but may not be very consistent . 

At this point , I would find a way to play both batsmen . 

Yes, drop Dhobi and have one of the top 5 keep...

[express bowling]

Yes, drop Dhobi and have one of the top 5 keep...

Bring in Pandya at 6, some big hitting WK at 7 and, if possible, Negi at 8 and Ashwin at 9

We would have a nice batting line-up

[WC2011INDIA]

I'm with you for the most part. It's just that I see Iyer as even more promising than pandey, and that's my only change. Otherwise, I agree that Chepu or Rahane should open with Vijay. Another alternative is to find a keeper who opens (like Kishan, Bains or Bharath) and have them open.

give iyer some time. Let him play atleast another full season of domestic cricket and some india A matches in overseas conditions before seriously thinking about him being part of team India. Last time a young hot shot under 20 cricketer was selected in the hopes he will serve well was Pappu aka Parthiv Patel. We all know how that went.

I haven't been following performances of wk/batsman. The only one I am aware of is Samson, but it seems he is mixed bag. Definitely need a very good keeper who can attack if things are pretty bad and take us to a respectable score. Would love to see a player like gilly but it aint happening so matt prior type will suffice.

Edited January 25, 2016 by WC2011INDIA

[adi B]

Pandey can be a good #5 in the odis but not over that!! I have seen him struggle against the moving ball amd on seaming pitches,coulter nile made him dance like a joker in uae ipl ,he's better off in a finisher type of role or lower order hitter .

I'll take rahane over him if we are 25-2 on a difficult deck and pandey over rahane in a similar position to what we were at Sydney (we would have lost that match 100% if rahane was playing instead of pandey)

[GrandMasterSaxy]

Rahane is not an ODI material. Yeah he is good and can score 50-60 runs @ 90-100, but he is not a big hitter and I doubt if he can chase 20 balls 40.

[bowl_out]

Rahane is not an ODI material. Yeah he is good and can score 50-60 runs @ 90-100, but he is not a big hitter and I doubt if he can chase 20 balls 40.

50-60 runs at a S/R of 90-100 is precisely what I would expect from a middle order ODI player

[GrandMasterSaxy]

50-60 runs at a S/R of 90-100 is precisely what I would expect from a middle order ODI player

In modern cricket where the minimum score is 330-350, 40-60 runs is of no use TBH, we need someone like Raina or Yuvi (2011 one). Only Aus & NZ have the perfect middle order at the moment.

[bowl_out]

In modern cricket where the minimum score is 330-350, 40-60 runs is of no use TBH, we need someone like Raina or Yuvi (2011 one). Only Aus & NZ have the perfect middle order at the moment.

Since when has 350 become the minimum score? Aus 2016 series is not the benchmark, but a one of a kind tour.. I'd prefer to have a technically strong bat who can bat through tough conditions in SA, Eng and NZ.. and score quickly in Aus and Ind... Rahane is your best bet there

[express bowling]

Every ODI team needs atleast 2 quality test batsmen in its lineup of top 7 batsmen to take care of tougher situations when they arise.

The rest 5 can be ODI specialists who can hit the ball from the word go.

We too need Rahane, along with Kohli, as those 2 batsmen.

Our problem is...we are not filling those other 5 slots properly and only Rohit Sharma is doing well consistently as an ODi specialist.

We need big hitters who are reasonably consistent  in the other 4 slots.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

Every ODI team needs atleast 2 quality test batsmen in its lineup of top 7 batsmen to take care of tougher situations when they arise.

The rest 5 can be ODI specialists who can hit the ball from the word go.

We too need Rahane, along with Kohli, as those 2 batsmen.

Our problem is...we are not filling those other 5 slots properly and only Rohit Sharma is doing well consistently as an ODi specialist.

We need big hitters who are reasonably consistent  in the other 4 slots.  

We do need consistent batsman

But the problem with rahane is he doesnt have a game for middle order. he scores half centuries mostly n tht to with nt gr8 pace. 

If u hve to Fit its opening. N i still beilve in the theory that ur best batsman shud face max balls

The best way to use a player like Rahane is i gues how Sa use amla . Make him open

These days in Odi cricket ull hardly find testing conditions .

In Odi its more about ppl who have all round game in top 4. Atleast 3 out of 4 shud have it 

At 4 i wud prefer some one like Iyer, Pandey Even dhoni 

No 4 is a very imp position as the player at tht position will always face a dilemma of facing every and any kind of situation.

So i wud srsly prefer a player with all round game at 4 . 

[express bowling]

We do need consistent batsman

But the problem with rahane is he doesnt have a game for middle order. he scores half centuries mostly n tht to with nt gr8 pace. 

If u hve to Fit its opening. N i still beilve in the theory that ur best batsman shud face max balls

The best way to use a player like Rahane is i gues how Sa use amla . Make him open

These days in Odi cricket ull hardly find testing conditions .

In Odi its more about ppl who have all round game in top 4. Atleast 3 out of 4 shud have it 

At 4 i wud prefer some one like Iyer, Pandey Even dhoni 

No 4 is a very imp position as the player at tht position will always face a dilemma of facing every and any kind of situation.

So i wud srsly prefer a player with all round game at 4 . 

I would like to see Rahane open too. But, as his SR along with consistency has picked up a lot in the last one year, ( SR of 96, Av. 48  in the last 6 months and SR of 83, Av 41  in the last 13 months )...I think he can play at 4 too, especially if the 2nd wickets falls before the 20th over. 

We don't have a ready replacement yet with an all-round game. Pandey has great potential but we have seen him for just 1 game. We have to see how consistently he plays.

Edited January 28, 2016 by express bowling