Time ticking for Hardik Pandya

[Autonomous]

T praise coming from that side of the border

Indeed but too bad he is not 16

[sandeep]

Indeed but too bad he is not 16

  Keep posting.  You are a good add to the forum...

[Texan]

Indeed but too bad he is not 16

Dont worry. We are already in the process of ordering a birth certificate from Lahore that will prove that he is the first international cricketer to have been born in the 21st century. 

[Texan]

Finally a reasonable analysis! 

Except that it misses the fact that the wide short ball (assuming he is talking about the last ball of the match) was actually a carefully coordinated plan with the captain. 

[Autonomous]

Dont worry. We are already in the process of ordering a birth certificate from Lahore that will prove that he is the first international cricketer to have been born in the 21st century. 

Goodnews. Now u indians can enjoy that teenager for next two decades

[Texan]

People here criticizing Pandya for not bowling yorkers are missing the fact that how many bowlers are there that can consistently deliver accurate yorkers. Just because we now have one Bumrah doesn't mean every bowler can deliver yorkers. 

 

Just take a look at the records of all the seam bowlers we have tried in T20Is over the years. Ishant, Shami, Mohit Sharma, Sreenath Arvind, Sandeep Sharma all have worse economy rates than Pandya currently. Pandya's average is also better than them all. And dont forget, none of these bowlers can bat at all. You guys are talking as though we have plenty of seam bowlers waiting in the wings who can deliver yorkers at will. 

[zen]

Except that it misses the fact that the wide short ball (assuming he is talking about the last ball of the match) was actually a carefully coordinated plan with the captain. 

Overall, he did a good analysis .... as before the final ball (whatever the result), he actually gave BD 2 great opportunities to close the game. The probability of hitting two of those deliveries down the fielders throats is low .... Against a battle hardened team, the chances of success of coming out of those two balls to bowl the final one are low 

Edited March 23, 2016 by rett

[Forever Indian]

Overall, he did a good analysis .... as before the final ball (whatever the result), he actually gave BD 2 great opportunities to close the game. The probability of hitting two of those deliveries down the fielders throats is low .... Against a battle hardened team, the chances of success of coming out of those two balls to bowl the final one are low 

There was only one hittable ball which was the full toss (attempted yorker gone wrong) and we all know that even the best of yorker bowlers can sometime bowl full tosses while attempting the. The first ball was a slow short length delivery which is very hard to hit on the slow pitch and from the post match interview with Ashwin that seemed to be the team plan because of nature of the wicket. Similary in last ball also Ashwin suggested the short ball as it is hard to a tail ender to hit. 

So Pandya bowled excellently well to plan, just could not execute one ball properly which was a bit lucky. The first ball wicket was due to the slower bouncer variation, so try giving credit where due.

[zen]

There was only one hittable ball which was the full toss (attempted yorker gone wrong) and we all know that even the best of yorker bowlers can sometime bowl full tosses while attempting the. The first ball was a slow short length delivery which is very hard to hit on the slow pitch and from the post match interview with Ashwin that seemed to be the team plan because of nature of the wicket. Similary in last ball also Ashwin suggested the short ball as it is hard to a tail ender to hit. 

So Pandya bowled excellently well to plan, just could not execute one ball properly which was a bit lucky. The first ball wicket was due to the slower bouncer variation, so try giving credit where due.

Lol .... he was hit for 9 runs in his first 3 balls! Next two balls were wkts due to batsmen's error .... normally the game would have not gone to the last ball if a bowler bowled those kind of first 5 balls

The last ball and the strategy in it was brilliant! But the first five balls would have decided the game normally  .... If he had bowled the whole over similar Bumrah's, he would deserve more praise .... Hopefully, he would have learned from this experience

 

 

Edited March 23, 2016 by rett

[maniac]

I heard Agarkar/Mahela's analysis on Cricinfo........They said it is so obvious that any mature team would first tie the game and then go for the glory shot-so Bangladesh totally shot themselves in the foot.

 

The 2nd point was that they were not sure what advice Dhoni and Nehra giving Pandya because pretty sure it wasn't to bwol full tosses or Short and Wide.

I just hope Pandya doesn't become our own Afridi where we are just justifying his role no matter what the final performance is.

I already said he batted well even though there wasn't much to show for and obviously due to that catch but his bowling is piss poor.

Harbhajan would have made more of a difference unless his u consider the 15 he made as the biggest difference maker today

 

[zen]

Harbhajan would have made more of a difference unless his u consider the 15 he made as the biggest difference maker today

 

Some good points. I do think that from those in the squad, Pandya does offer value. However on these tracks Ind needs to play 3 regular spinners so one of inconsistent batsmen can be replaced with someone like Bhajji

Pandya can serve as a floater where his hitting abilities can be utilized and he can serve as the 3rd seamer if required 

On these tracks, 12 overs of Spin from regular spinners = 60-70  for 5 kind of situation for the opposition in these 12 overs, which is a match winning performance 

[Texan]

Lol .... he was hit for 9 runs in his first 3 balls! Next two balls were wkts due to the batsmen error so normally the game would have not gone to the last ball 

the last ball was brilliant! But he would have never got an opportunity to bowl that normally if he had bowled those kind of first 5 balls 

 

I watched that last over again. Saw it live but wanted to watch it again this time just to see how he bowled. Here's my analysis:

 

Ball 1 - wide yorker. Effective way to keep batsman restricted to a single

 

Ball 2 - slower ball gone wrong. A little bit on the shorter side. Mushy spots it early and puts it away. 

Ball 3 - decent ball on off stump line. Mushy improvises to play the scoop. Gets it wrong. But somehow manages to get just enough bat to evade Dhoni. This ball was not much different to the one Joginder Sharma bowled to Misbah in that famous final. Misbah hit it straight to the fielder. Mushy was lucky to get a four for it. So, you cannot really consider this as a bad ball. The result could have been very different. 

Ball 4 - short ball on off bowled at 141k. Hurries Mushy into his stroke. As a result he gets more elevation than distance. OUT. If not for the pace, that could have gone for six. Credit to Pandya for putting in the effort ball. 

Ball 5 - worst ball of the over. Goes to try what everybody wants him to bowl. i.e. the yorker. Goes horribly wrong. Mahmudullah goes for glory and gets out. We get lucky and live another ball.

Ball 6 - superb plan smartly executed. India win.

 So, a fairly decent over. Now, lets not forget that Pandya would not really had been a first choice for the final over of either Nehra or Bumrah had overs remaining. Also, the fine leg fielder was in the ring, so anything full on middle or leg was an easy boundary ball. He bowled mostly to his field. 

 

He realized that he is not a specialist at yorkers, so he stuck to what he knows best. Perhaps, with time, he might master the act of bowlibg the yorker. 

 

He also bowled to his strength, except for that one full toss. So overall a fairly good over for somebody relatively new to international cricket and the pressure that comes with it. 

[zen]

I watched that last over again. Saw it live but wanted to watch it again this time just to see how he bowled. Here's my analysis:

 

Ball 1 - wide yorker. Effective way to keep batsman restricted to a single 

The batsman had positioned himself expecting a full or a short length ball. He could not guide the full and wide ball, which was within the range, to the boundary 

 

Ball 2 - slower ball gone wrong. A little bit on the shorter side. Mushy spots it early and puts it away. 

Ball 3 - decent ball on off stump line. Mushy improvises to play the scoop. Gets it wrong. But somehow manages to get just enough bat to evade Dhoni. This ball was not much different to the one Joginder Sharma bowled to Misbah in that famous final. Misbah hit it straight to the fielder. Mushy was lucky to get a four for it. So, you cannot really consider this as a bad ball. The result could have been very different. 

The batsman anticipated where Pandya would bowl .... His shot selection was cool too as he just needed to beat the in field to get the boundary

Ball 4 - short ball on off bowled at 141k. Hurries Mushy into his stroke. As a result he gets more elevation than distance. OUT. If not for the pace, that could have gone for six. Credit to Pandya for putting in the effort ball. 

Bad placement .... I think he was looking to bisect the two fielders 

Ball 5 - worst ball of the over. Goes to try what everybody wants him to bowl. i.e. the yorker. Goes horribly wrong. Mahmudullah goes for glory and gets out. We get lucky and live another ball.

Ball 6 - superb plan smartly executed. India win.

 So, a fairly decent over. Now, lets not forget that Pandya would not really had been a first choice for the final over of either Nehra or Bumrah had overs remaining. Also, the fine leg fielder was in the ring, so anything full on middle or leg was an easy boundary ball. He bowled mostly to his field. 

 

He realized that he is not a specialist at yorkers, so he stuck to what he knows best. Perhaps, with time, he might master the act of bowlibg the yorker. 

 

He also bowled to his strength, except for that one full toss. So overall a fairly good over for somebody relatively new to international cricket and the pressure that comes with it. 

Fair analysis .... I have made some notes in red in the quoted part .... Those who don't watch cricket just for entertainment (or to follow their favorite players) would feel that Ind got out of the jail 

However I liked how he maintained his composure in the pressure situation. That is the biggest positive for me  .... And with experience, he could turn in to a bowler who can be used in pressure situation  

PS

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/988453.html 

^ Agarkar's Analysis 

Edited March 24, 2016 by rett

[rkt.india]

as people who make a case for him always are saying,he is a batsman who can bowl and I think he looked good today before that freak dismissal....but he was bowling length bowls to batsman...the full toss could have easily been worked away for a single.....his bowling lets admit is god awful despite this

He wasn't bowling length but back of length which was the plan of Dhoni which he admitted after the game. You can't blame hi for that.

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[rkt.india]

He got real lucky today but the bottom line is that he will and should learn from this invaluable experience. You can't freaking bowl 2 super generous full tosses when defending 10 runs..... Any other calm batter would have smacked him for 2 huge ones. He tried to show a calm demeanor but his execution was crappy in that last over.... 1 length ball, 2 juicy full tosses, 1 short ball wide outside off.... that is just riding his luck. I also didn't like Nehra yapping in his ears for minutes after each ball.... then dhoni comes up and starts lecturing for another 5 minutes.... that was just too much imo

Bumrah on the other hand is da man when it comes to death bowling... i'm very impressed with that kid... i really hope that he keeps up the consistency and gives us 1 super reliable option at the death.

 

There was only one fulltoss to Mushfikur. Also fast fulltosses can be hard to hit.

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[rkt.india]

Overall, he did a good analysis .... as before the final ball (whatever the result), he actually gave BD 2 great opportunities to close the game. The probability of hitting two of those deliveries down the fielders throats is low .... Against a battle hardened team, the chances of success of coming out of those two balls to bowl the final one are low 

Did you even watch? There was only one fulltoss which was an attempted yorker mahmudullah. Ball to rahim was a bouncer which got big on him and he top edged it. Rahim wasn't expecting that.

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[Ultimate_Game]

Did you even watch? There was only one fulltoss which was an attempted yorker Rahi. Ball to mahmudullah wasva bouncer which got big on him and he top edged it. Mahmufullah wasn't expecting that.

 

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True. This "Pandya bowled full tosses" stuff is plain wrong. He bowled only one full toss (to Mahmudullah IIRC). Others were length deliveries ranging from short of length to slightly fuller length.

[zen]

 

Did you even watch? There was only one fulltoss which was an attempted yorker mahmudullah. Ball to rahim was a bouncer which got big on him and he top edged it. Rahim wasn't expecting that.

 

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Where have I said what type of deliveries he bowled?  .... I understood as him talking about the 1st and 5th ball .... My assumption is that not everyone is trying to get the exact details right esp after watching tons of balls over a 3 hour period, overcoming emotions and posting here .... After watching tons of videos, people are in better position to discuss the exact spots where the ball was bowled at .... Something are to be implied and understood 

 

[Texan]

Fair analysis .... I have made some notes in red in the quoted part .... Those who don't watch cricket just for entertainment (or to follow their favorite players) would feel that Ind got out of the jail 

However I liked how he maintained his composure in the pressure situation. That is the biggest positive for me  .... And with experience, he could turn in to a bowler who can be used in pressure situation  

PS

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/988453.html 

^ Agarkar's Analysis 

Of course India got out of jail. I don't think anybody is contending that. At the start of the over, with a fairly newish bowler bowling and two experienced LOI batsmen at the crease, 8 out of 10 times you would expect the chasing team to win. And after those two fours, 99 out of 100 times, you'd expect the chasing team to win. But I am not discussing that. 

 

What I am saying is exactly what you accepted in your last paragraph in the quoted post. That he maintained his composure and executed the last ball plan to perfection. That he bowled to his strengths and his field. When he was bowling that last over, just like everyone else even I was wondering why he isn't attempting yorkers. But after hearing his team mates talk about the plan, I feel that he was just doing what was asked off him. 

 

It could have been a totally different result and I would still maintain that Pandya is currently a valuable player in the team. 

[zen]

Ball to rahim was a bouncer which got big on him and he top edged it. Rahim wasn't expecting that.

 

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what bouncer to Rahim are you talking about?