Chinks in JINX's armour?

[express bowling]

33 minutes ago, maniac said:

An established player might get complacent or on the other hand a non-established player might have the butterflies and be jittery....Rahane is neither....He will score a 100 on a minefield or on a green track but might score a pair on flat pattas....still doesn't have the confidence to cash in on good form,poor bowling,flat surfaces etc.

 

Great player to have in the team but about time he starts showing some damn consistency

Rahane has played all the 31 tests India has played in the last 3 years without missing a single one.

 

How is he not an established player  ?

Edited December 1, 2016 by express bowling

[maniac]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Rahane has played all the 31 tests India has played in the last 3 years without missing a single one.

 

How is he not an established player  ?

That is what I meant.Read again..

 

if he was non-established he can make a case for being jittery....but the point is he is established

 

Is he complacent because he is established-Again no,Rahane is not complacent.

 

But he is established but still a jittery starter who never looks confident and that is exactly what I said...He needs to encash on flat pitches and weak bowling or purple patch...till now haven't seen any of those.

Edited December 1, 2016 by maniac

[Riju23]

I agree that he has some sort of issue on slower pitches where the ball is not coming onto the bat. I think his technique is fine but he likes to score quickly and that is not always possible. It's also clear that he is well capable of overcoming this, see his two centuries in the same test vs SA at home (and the century against NZ)

 

Most importantly, he is as good on the seaming/bouncing pitches as any of our current crop of batsmen -  he got 96 in SA, a hundred in England, a hundred in NZ, and IIRC two hundreds in Australia. He is a star and there should be no questioning his spot at No. 5 in our lineup IMO.

[fineleg]

2 hours ago, Riju23 said:

 

 

Most importantly, he is as good on the seaming/bouncing pitches as any of our current crop of batsmen -  he got 96 in SA, a hundred in England, a hundred in NZ, and IIRC two hundreds in Australia. He is a star and there should be no questioning his spot at No. 5 in our lineup IMO.

Maybe he will only score runs in matches/conditions where rest of the batsmen struggle?

At the moment Rahane's batting woes is bit of a puzzle.

Edited December 1, 2016 by fineleg

[_ramkumar]

18 hours ago, fineleg said:

I dont think there is any memo sent out on "up your S/R" to all batsmen (if there is such memo, Kumble and Kohli should cancel that memo). 

 

I agree there is no memo sent out to all batmen to increase their S/R but Kohli asked Pujara to quicken up . He has also dropped Pujara to include Rohit in the team, a batsman who scores at a faster S/R. Kohli wants his batsmen to change the game in a session i.e. give more time to his bowlers to take 20 wickets.

This latent need to score faster doesn't only mean more aerial shots but also unnecessary shots. Players who can't rotate the strike or who play a lot of dot balls may feel extra pressure chase wide delivery/ step out of crease unnecessarily and end up edging the ball.

Pujara in first innings at Mohali instinctively took on the fielder at deep mid-wicket not because he wanted to score faster but because he has become more attacking now naturally ending up losing his wicket after scoring a 50.

[fineleg]

@rkt.india can affirm - but I think Puj always used to attack spinners, even in his early Tests?

Against pace, he goes tuk tuk.

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, fineleg said:

@rkt.india can affirm - but I think Puj always used to attack spinners, even in his early Tests?

Against pace, he goes tuk tuk.

He has always been good against spin. His innings at FSk in delhi on minefield against Lyon who had a 7-fer in the first innings is one of the best innings against spin especially the pace at which he scored those runs. He scored a double hundred against swann and monty in Ahmedabad in 2012, 131 on a rank turner in Mimbai in the same series, and always scored quick against spin. Against pace, he is less scoring shot and tries to play safe and waits for bad balls.

[Cricketics]

I chose "Other"

 

For me he has just been complacent and that is it. He got starts in most of those innings but has not been able to convert. I am not worried about him. He has played some cross shots and gotten out because of complacency. I don't think there is something wrong with the technique. He has to just stop playing too many cross shots when the ball is turning square or big, especially when he is not among runs recently.  Play more straight bat. 

[express bowling]

9 hours ago, _ramkumar said:

 

I agree there is no memo sent out to all batmen to increase their S/R but Kohli asked Pujara to quicken up . He has also dropped Pujara to include Rohit in the team, a batsman who scores at a faster S/R. Kohli wants his batsmen to change the game in a session i.e. give more time to his bowlers to take 20 wickets.

This latent need to score faster doesn't only mean more aerial shots but also unnecessary shots. Players who can't rotate the strike or who play a lot of dot balls may feel extra pressure chase wide delivery/ step out of crease unnecessarily and end up edging the ball.

Pujara in first innings at Mohali instinctively took on the fielder at deep mid-wicket not because he wanted to score faster but because he has become more attacking now naturally ending up losing his wicket after scoring a 50.

I  got the feeling from that interview that it was a suggestion to Pujara  about not getting bogged down, while batting outside Asia...rather than trying to maintain a high SR while batting.

 

Even now, Pujara is batting at a SR of  only 52 but is looking fluent, putting away the bad deliveries and never getting bogged down.  On that tour to the WI, although the bowling was not that good, Pujara was getting bogged down unnecessarily and that was putting pressure on him and he got out trying to get a move-on.

 

If we check out the SR of our top 5  batters in the last 2  test series In India, it is not that high for batters who have played  all the  test matches. That would not have happened if there was specific instructions to up the SR.

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	6	12	2	714	211	71.40	1244	57.39	2	2	0	80	0
CA Pujara	6	12	1	711	124	64.63	1367	52.01	3	4	0	94	2
AM Rahane	6	10	1	397	188	44.11	817	48.59	1	1	1	42	4
M Vijay	6	12	0	378	126	31.50	908	41.62	1	2	1	44	5

 

 

 

 

[Cricketics]

5 hours ago, Viper said:

Kohli is the reason.. he keeps forcing players to play with high SR. 

 

Hitler stalin ka jamana agaya..

 

 

If Kohli is a hitler and under him we can have 7-0-3 record in last 10 matches he has captained, then I rather have this kind of Hitler as captain to lead then country. 

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, Cricketics said:

If Kohli is a hitler and under him we can have 7-0-3 record in last 10 matches he has captained, then I rather have this kind of Hitler as captain to lead then country. 

And.....our  test record under Kohli is  12-2-1 ( W-D-L )  in the last  15 completed tests since he has taken over as full-time captain  :)

Edited December 3, 2016 by express bowling

[Vijy]

Hard to figure out what exactly is wrong. Even when he gets going, the early stages are always somewhat scratchy. Seems to be a nervous started, except on true pitches (not much swing/spin).

[Vijy]

On 12/2/2016 at 1:07 AM, express bowling said:

I  got the feeling from that interview that it was a suggestion to Pujara  about not getting bogged down, while batting outside Asia...rather than trying to maintain a high SR while batting.

 

Even now, Pujara is batting at a SR of  only 52 but is looking fluent, putting away the bad deliveries and never getting bogged down.  On that tour to the WI, although the bowling was not that good, Pujara was getting bogged down unnecessarily and that was putting pressure on him and he got out trying to get a move-on.

 

If we check out the SR of our top 5  batters in the last 2  test series In India, it is not that high for batters who have played  all the  test matches. That would not have happened if there was specific instructions to up the SR.

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	6	12	2	714	211	71.40	1244	57.39	2	2	0	80	0
CA Pujara	6	12	1	711	124	64.63	1367	52.01	3	4	0	94	2
AM Rahane	6	10	1	397	188	44.11	817	48.59	1	1	1	42	4
M Vijay	6	12	0	378	126	31.50	908	41.62	1	2	1	44	5

 

 

 

 

Yes, it's more a matter of fluency.