Our power hitters in Loi's!! Who are they?

[Cricketics]

44 minutes ago, express bowling said:

True....big hitters are those who can  (   hit big sixes quite regularly +  hit the ball very powerfully  )

 

Kapil, Kirti Azad, Bedade, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Rohit ( somewhat ),  KL Rahul ( somewhat )  and Hardik Pandya  would qualify among those who have already represented India

Raina has 116 sixes. That is one of the most among all the Indians. From current players, only Yuvraj and DHoni are ahead of him.

Raina has average of one six in every 47 runs, Rohit average is 48 runs for a six.

 

Raina will go down as a big six hitter, in the way you defined it. Even anyway, it just goes without saying that he is one of our biggest hitter, you might agree with his inclusion in the team or not, that is a different thing.

[Cricketics]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Looks like you have not watched Raina in the field in recent times.

I did and one bad series is not what I will judge on. He probably did gain weight, but doesn't mean he lost his athleticism. If Guptill gains weight tomorrow and has one bad series on the field, I won't judge him right away. He will still be one of the best fielders for me until he does it for a longer period.

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Raina has 116 sixes. That is one of the most among all the Indians. From current players, only Yuvraj and DHoni are ahead of him.

Raina has average of one six in every 47 runs, Rohit average is 48 runs for a six.

 

Raina will go down as a big six hitter, in the way you defined it. Even anyway, it goes with out six, he is one of our biggest hitter, you might agree with his inclusion in the team or not, that is a different thing.

We are talking about clearing big ground. Hitting 6s is not a big deal these days with the kind of bats they have. You cannot judge that ability through stats.

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

I did and one bad series is not what I will judge on. He probably did gain weight, but doesn't mean he lost his athleticism. If Guptill gains weight tomorrow and has one bad series on the field, I won't judge him right away. He will still be one of the best fielders for me until he does it for a longer period.

It is not just one series and getting unfit will always lead to decline in athleticism.

[Cricketics]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

We are talking about clearing big ground. Hitting 6s is not a big deal these days with the kind of bats they have. You cannot judge that ability through stats.

Well most grounds aren't like MCG, which has one of the most longest boundary, and if you have 116 sixes in 5400 runs, that means you are capable of clearing most fields and Raina should have done that in his career while hitting 116 sixes. I and you perhaps do not remember where all his 116 sixes would have landed, but we all both know very well that many of his sixes go far. I have at least seen many of his sixes clear and going in the stands. These could be over 110-120 meter sixes.

[BeautifulGame]

We need to select and try a few hitters in the England series desperately.

Our front 6 and depth if everyone is fit looks pretty good .Problem is having the likes of Rahane fitted into the team running the combination and Dhoni batting too low when he clearly lost his big hitting( from the word go) .

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Dhoni

Rahul

Pandey

Pandya

Jadeja

Ashwin/Yadav/Ishant

Shami/Bhuvi

Bumrah

This should be our team for CT.That's a pretty good top 8 with the likes of Pandey/Pandya/Jadeja able to go for big hits from the first ball and a top 6 who all can play long innings .

I really don't thing finding big hitters has been the biggest issue.

We don't need a power hitter at no.6 for me.We need 6 top quality batsmen which has always been our biggest strength (WC 03, WC 11 ,CT 14).

We just need the no.7 to be a strong power hitter like Pandya rather than trying with bowling all rounders like Jadeja or Axar @ 7.We absolutely don't need bits and pieces cricketers at 6 in the name of power hitters .

[Cricketics]

2 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

We need to select and try a few hitters in the England series desperately.

 

Our front 6 and depth if everyone is fit looks pretty good .Problem is having the likes of Rahane fitted into the team running the combination and Dhoni batting too low when he clearly lost his big hitting( from the word go) .

 

 

 

We don't need a power hitter at no.6 for me.We need 6 top quality batsmen which has always been our biggest strength (WC 03, WC 11 ,CT 14).

 

We just need the no.7 to be a strong power hitter like Pandya rather than trying with bowling all rounders like Jadeja or Axar @ 7.We absolutely don't need bits and pieces cricketers at 6 in the name of power hitters .

I agree with that team there but I really feel that Pandya isn't our answer. Yes, we need to develop an all rounder, but Pandya's bowling looks pretty weak to me and also, I am not sure how well he can hit the ball or score quick runs. I am not actually impressed by his batting at all, though I am totally fine with him being tried for England series and see how he goes, won't select him for champions trophy yet.

 

Agree on that big hitting part. Don't really need those as long as we have decent hitters.

[Mosher]

48 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

We need to select and try a few hitters in the England series desperately.

 

Our front 6 and depth if everyone is fit looks pretty good .Problem is having the likes of Rahane fitted into the team running the combination and Dhoni batting too low when he clearly lost his big hitting( from the word go) .

 

Rohit

 

Dhawan

 

Kohli

 

Dhoni

 

Rahul

 

Pandey

 

Pandya

 

Jadeja

 

Ashwin/Yadav/Ishant

 

Shami/Bhuvi

 

Bumrah

 

This should be our team for CT.That's a pretty good top 8 with the likes of Pandey/Pandya/Jadeja able to go for big hits from the first ball and a top 6 who all can play long innings .

 

I really don't thing finding big hitters has been the biggest issue.

 

We don't need a power hitter at no.6 for me.We need 6 top quality batsmen which has always been our biggest strength (WC 03, WC 11 ,CT 14).

 

We just need the no.7 to be a strong power hitter like Pandya rather than trying with bowling all rounders like Jadeja or Axar @ 7.We absolutely don't need bits and pieces cricketers at 6 in the name of power hitters .

Rohit, Dhawan, Dhoni, Pandey are all similar type of batsmen. They take their time to get set and then go the big shots. Rohit is good at the opening slot because if he gets set he can be brutal against bowlers later on. Need a big hitter like Rahul to partner him at the other end. Kohli at 3 will keep the scoreboard ticking. Dhoni at 4. Pandey/Jadhav at 5. Need couple of big hitters at 6 & 7. We should try Pant and Pandya. This would be my playing 11 vs England.

 

Rohit

Rahul

Kohli

Dhoni

Pandey/Jadhav

Pant

Pandya

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bhuvi

Bumrah

 

For CT Shami in place of Jadeja/Ashwin.

Edited December 31, 2016 by Mosher

[BeautifulGame]

Rohit, Dhawan, Dhoni, Pandey are all similar type of batsmen. They take their time to get set and then go the big shots. Rohit is good at the opening slot because if he gets set he can be brutal against bowlers later on. Need a big hitter like Rahul to partner him at the other end. Kohli at 3 will keep the scoreboard ticking. Dhoni at 4. Pandey/Jadhav at 5. Need couple of big hitters at 6 & 7. We should try Pant and Pandya. This would be my playing 11 vs England.

 

Rohit

Rahul

Kohli

Dhoni

Pandey/Jadhav

Pant

Pandya

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bhuvi

Bumrah

Dhawan is our biggest big game player.He should be the first name in the team even ahead of Kohli or Dhoni .He was our best player in both CT and WC.

Also Dhawan has given us fast starts whenever needed in Odis .Like the WC semi or the Sydney game when we chased 330.It's kinda funny how everyone picking Pandey for his 100 in that game but completely forgetting Dhawan's knock.It's in T20s he has struggled for fats starts .Insane to drop Dhawan from the odi team that for a tournament like CT.

Both Rahul and Pandey in particular has regularly showed in IPL ,they can go big from the start so they really aren't similar players like Kohli Rohit or Dhoni who need time to settle before going for big shots.

Anyway we can promote of Pandya or Jadeja if we want quick slogs .But our strength is build on having 6 top quality bats who can all score big.Our best ever odi team had Raina at 7 for example.

Also what has Pant done to be selected for ODI.I absolutely agree he should be tried in test team based on his Ranji form .But don't think he has done enough in IPL or domestic 50 overs comp to be selected for our odi team.Picking players in one format based on another has been our biggest issue (Yuvi Raina Rahane).

[express bowling]

22 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Rohit, Dhawan, Dhoni, Pandey are all similar type of batsmen. They take their time to get set and then go the big shots. Rohit is good at the opening slot because if he gets set he can be brutal against bowlers later on. Need a big hitter like Rahul to partner him at the other end. Kohli at 3 will keep the scoreboard ticking. Dhoni at 4. Pandey/Jadhav at 5. Need couple of big hitters at 6 & 7. We should try Pant and Pandya. This would be my playing 11 vs England.

 

Rohit

Rahul

Kohli

Dhoni

Pandey/Jadhav

Pant

Pandya

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bhuvi

Bumrah

 

For CT Shami in place of Jadeja/Ashwin.

 

Good team bro.   

 

It is a team which has the needed lower-middle order big hitters, one opener who is a relatively quicker starter and this team does not have top order batsmen batting down the order.

 

In CT I would replace Ashwin with Shami as Jadeja is a bigger hitter at No.8 in ODIs.

[Mosher]

10 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Dhawan is our biggest big game player.He should be the first name in the team even ahead of Kohli or Dhoni .He was our best player in both CT and WC.

Also Dhawan has given us fast starts whenever needed in Odis .Like the WC semi or the Sydney game when we chased 330.It's kinda funny how everyone picking Pandey for his 100 in that game but completely forgetting Dhawan's knock.It's in T20s he has struggled for fats starts .Insane to drop Dhawan from the odi team that for a tournament like CT.

Both Rahul and Pandey in particular has regularly showed in IPL ,they can go big from the start so they really aren't similar players like Kohli Rohit or Dhoni who need time to settle before going for big shots.

Anyway we can promote of Pandya or Jadeja if we want quick slogs .But our strength is build on having 6 top quality bats who can all score big.Our best ever odi team had Raina at 7 for example.

Also what has Pant done to be selected for ODI.I absolutely agree he should be tried in test team based on his Ranji form .But don't think he has done enough in IPL or domestic 50 overs comp to be selected for our odi team.Picking players in one format based on another has been our biggest issue (Yuvi Raina Rahane).

Pant is in great form. He has scored at over 100 SR in Ranji and has hit a whopping 47 sixes. I think this is more than enough to prove that he can play ODI/T20's. I agree with you that we should not mix formats but because of the way he has scored runs, he deserves to be selected in ODI/T20.

[BeautifulGame]

Pant is in great form. He has scored at over 100 SR in Ranji and has hit a whopping 47 sixes. I think this is more than enough to prove that he can play ODI/T20's. I agree with you that we should not mix formats but because of the way he has scored runs, he deserves to be selected in ODI/T20.

Yeah but it's Ranji .If he is good enough he can replicate it in IPL in few months and then we can pick for CT.No need to pick him for England series based on his form in Ranji.

Even six hitting is much easier in tests and Odis because of the length bowled and field placings.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Cricketics said:

but I really feel that Pandya isn't our answer. Yes, we need to develop an all rounder, but Pandya's bowling looks pretty weak to me and also, I am not sure how well he can hit the ball or score quick runs. I am not actually impressed by his batting at all, though I am totally fine with him being tried for England series and see how he goes, won't select him for champions trophy yet.

Pandya has improved his accuracy significantly in recent times and has developed a stock ball.  His bowling was quite impressive in the ODI series against NZ and also on the A tour to Australia.   His batting lacks consistency but he can play some really good knocks and play at a very high SR too.  I don't think he is a forced picked at all.

 

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Agree on that big hitting part. Don't really need those as long as we have decent hitters.

When we were doing really well in ODIs, we had 2 really big hitters in Dhoni and Yuvraj in the middle-order with  support from Raina,    A SR of 85  to 95 was considered good then for the lower-middle order big hitters.

 

The ODI game has evolved since those days  and most teams have developed some big hitters who play at a SR of 105 to 125 batting at No. 5 to No. 8.

 

During this time we have seen Yuvi fade away after many good years,  Dhoni's batting style becoming that of a top order batter and Raina becoming fat and losing form.  We are now playing normal stroke-players like Pandey and Jadhav in these crucial positions when the rest of the world  are bringing a lot of fire-power and scoring 330+  with a lot more frequency than earlier.

 

We have to catch up with the high SR modern ODI game if we want to be consistent in ODIs from now on.

Edited December 31, 2016 by express bowling

[Mosher]

7 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Yeah but it's Ranji .If he is good enough he can replicate it in IPL in few months and then we can pick for CT.No need to pick him for England series based on his form in Ranji.

Even six hitting is much easier in tests and Odis because of the length bowled and field placings.

He has smashed sixes off bowlers like Mustafizzur and Bhuvi in IPL who are pretty good LOI bowlers. Also it would be risky to try a youngster in a major tournament like CT without letting him get a feel in international cricket. Better to try him first in a bilateral series.

http://www.iplt20.com/videos/media/id/4890620877001/m42-srh-vs-dd-yes-bank-maximum-sixes-rishabh-pant

Edited December 31, 2016 by Mosher

[BeautifulGame]

He has smashed sixes off bowlers like Mustafizzur and Bhuvi in IPL who are pretty good LOI bowlers. Also it would be risky to try a youngster in a major tournament like CT without letting him get a feel in international cricket. Better to try him first in a bilateral series.

http://www.iplt20.com/videos/media/id/4890620877001/m42-srh-vs-dd-yes-bank-maximum-sixes-rishabh-pant

Yeah I also saw that video rkt.india posted .But how many similar innings has he played . Because I honestly didn't watch much of IPL last season.

Pant definitely is hugely talented that's why I want him in the test team but consistency should be key not one off knocks .

[express bowling]

Strike rates of ODI batsmen batting at No. 5 to No. 8 in the last 2 years.  ( min 300 runs )  ( excluding Zim as opponent )

 

7 batsmen above 104  in this list  and 10  batsmen above 99.

 

Not a single Indian above 94.

 

If we do not address this issue, we will  end up being inconsistent in ODIs.

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
AB de Villiers (SA)	2015-2016	9	8	4	455	162*	113.75	311	146.30	2	2	0	46	18
GJ Maxwell (AUS)	2015-2016	26	23	3	759	102	37.95	603	125.87	1	4	4	87	18
L Ronchi (NZ)	2015-2016	39	31	4	553	170*	20.48	473	116.91	1	0	5	44	21
JC Buttler (ENG)	2015-2016	31	26	4	880	129	40.00	787	111.81	1	6	2	79	18
DA Miller (SA)	2015-2016	23	20	4	656	130*	41.00	597	109.88	2	1	2	60	16
MS Wade (AUS)	2015-2016	31	25	5	653	76	32.65	616	106.00	0	5	1	52	17
BA Stokes (ENG)	2015-2016	23	22	3	752	101	39.57	723	104.01	1	5	2	66	23
Shoaib Malik (PAK)	2015-2016	13	13	3	373	55*	37.30	368	101.35	0	3	0	22	13
GD Elliott (NZ)	2015-2016	27	25	5	836	104*	41.80	839	99.64	1	5	2	65	20
MR Marsh (AUS)	2015-2016	30	27	7	826	102*	41.30	831	99.39	1	6	3	77	20
Mohammad Rizwan (PAK)	2015-2016	17	16	4	326	67	27.16	347	93.94	0	2	0	31	3
MJ Santner (NZ)	2015-2016	25	21	8	365	48	28.07	390	93.58	0	0	2	27	10
SK Raina (INDIA)	2015-2015	15	14	0	332	65	23.71	355	93.52	0	3	2	28	7
CR Woakes (ENG)	2015-2016	29	20	7	352	95*	27.07	381	92.38	0	1	4	24	2
CJ Anderson (NZ)	2015-2016	24	22	1	552	81	26.28	602	91.69	0	3	2	48	20
Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK)	2015-2016	17	15	2	603	105	46.38	658	91.64	1	4	0	47	1
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	2015-2016	11	9	2	333	89	47.57	367	90.73	0	2	0	26	3
F Behardien (SA)	2015-2016	31	25	8	545	70	32.05	623	87.47	0	2	1	37	11
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2015-2016	19	18	2	520	92*	32.50	598	86.95	0	2	0	35	12
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)	2015-2016	19	17	3	460	79	32.85	533	86.30	0	4	0	44	4
SC Williams (ZIM)	2015-2016	15	14	1	365	76	28.07	426	85.68	0	3	2	28	4
Sikandar Raza (ZIM)	2015-2016	19	17	3	519	100*	37.07	625	83.04	2	1	0	34	13
AD Mathews (SL)	2015-2016	28	22	4	757	95	42.05	912	83.00	0	6	3	61	8
E Chigumbura (ZIM)	2015-2016	16	15	0	341	67	22.73	413	82.56	0	1	3	21	8
TM Head (AUS)	2016-2016	13	13	0	359	52	27.61	451	79.60	0	2	1	34	3
JP Duminy (SA)	2015-2016	26	20	3	468	73	27.52	590	79.32	0	2	0	32	4
D Ramdin (WI)	2015-2016	20	20	0	486	91	24.30	639	76.05	0	3	2	31	9

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=8;batting_positionmin1=5;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=25;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmin1=300;qualval1=runs;spanmin1=31+Dec+2014;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

 

Edited December 31, 2016 by express bowling

[BeautifulGame]

When we were doing really well in ODIs, we had 2 really big hitters in Dhoni and Yuvraj in the middle-order with  support from Raina,    A SR of 85  to 95 was considered good then for the lower-middle order big hitters.

 

The ODI game has evolved since those days  and most teams have developed some big hitters who play at a SR of 105 to 125 batting at No. 5 to No. 8.

 

During this time we have seen Yuvi fade away after many good years,  Dhoni's batting style becoming that of a top order batter and Raina becoming fat and losing form.  We are now playing normal stroke-players like Pandey and Jadhav in these crucial positions when the rest of the world  are bringing a lot of fire-power and scoring 330+  with a lot more frequency than earlier.

 

We have to catch up with the high SR modern ODI game if we want to be consistent in ODIs from now on.

Thing is both Yuvi and Dhoni were not just big hitters but proper batsmen who could centuries .I doubt we can ever find players of similar calibre ever again .

So we have to pick between sloggers or proper batsmen and we are better of picking quality bats like Pandey at six than a big hitter and then a big hitter at 7 like Pandya .With Jadeja at 8 already that is more than enough IMO.

We have shown plenty of times ,there is no need to slog to reach 300 or even 330+ plus totals in the past.What have held us back in the recent times in Odis is (apart from injuries to bowlers ) Rahane sucking momentum in middle order and Dhoni at 6 not being able to get those big sixes even when he is six .Another has been having the likes of Jadeja/Axar @7 which triggers the lower order collapses too easily.

P.S

Also has the scores of 330 become the norm in Odis apart from Australia.In most other places ,300 is still a pretty good score apart from odd occasions.

Also both CT and WC will be in England where new ball plays a big role.So doubt 330+ will be regular occurrence there .

[express bowling]

24 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Thing is both Yuvi and Dhoni were not just big hitters but proper batsmen who could centuries .I doubt we can ever find players of similar calibre ever again .  

So we have to pick between sloggers or proper batsmen and we are better of picking quality bats like Pandey at six than a big hitter and then a big hitter at 7 like Pandya .With Jadeja at 8 already that is more than enough IMO.

We have shown plenty of times ,there is no need to slog to reach 300 or even 330+ plus totals in the past.What have held us back in the recent times in Odis is (apart from injuries to bowlers ) Rahane sucking momentum in middle order and Dhoni at 6 not being able to get those big sixes even when he is six .Another has been having the likes of Jadeja/Axar @7 which triggers the lower order collapses too easily.

 

Batsmen like Pant, Kishan and Hooda are all proper batsmen  with high  FC averages  who play at a very high SR too.  We will find out eventually that we will find many many high average big hitters in the coming days.

 

This is because the new-age batsmen are growing up playing T20s and even the proper batsmen are much more mentally attuned to playing  big shots and scoring at a high SR. Some one like a Nair scored so quickly between 200 and 300 although he is a proper batsman and Rahul can do the same.

 

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P.S

Also has the scores of 330 become the norm in Odis apart from Australia.In most other places ,300 is still a pretty good score apart from odd occasions.

Also both CT and WC will be in England where new ball plays a big role.So doubt 330+ will be regular occurrence there .

 

List of 330+ scores in ODIs  in the last 3 years -- 

 

 

Innings by innings list

Team	Score	Overs	RPO	Inns	Result		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
England	444/3	50.0	8.88	1	won		v Pakistan	Nottingham	30 Aug 2016
South Africa	439/2	50.0	8.78	1	won		v West Indies	Johannesburg	18 Jan 2015
South Africa	438/4	50.0	8.76	1	won		v India	Mumbai	25 Oct 2015
Australia	417/6	50.0	8.34	1	won		v Afghanistan	Perth	4 Mar 2015
South Africa	411/4	50.0	8.22	1	won		v Ireland	Canberra	3 Mar 2015
South Africa	408/5	50.0	8.16	1	won		v West Indies	Sydney	27 Feb 2015
England	408/9	50.0	8.16	1	won		v New Zealand	Birmingham	9 Jun 2015
India	404/5	50.0	8.08	1	won		v Sri Lanka	Kolkata	13 Nov 2014
England	399/9	50.0	7.98	1	won		v South Africa	Bloemfontein	3 Feb 2016
New Zealand	398/5	50.0	7.96	1	won		v England	The Oval	12 Jun 2015
New Zealand	393/6	50.0	7.86	1	won		v West Indies	Wellington	21 Mar 2015
Australia	378/5	50.0	7.56	1	won		v New Zealand	Canberra	6 Dec 2016
Sri Lanka	377/8	50.0	7.54	1	won		v Ireland	Dublin (Malahide)	18 Jun 2016
Australia	376/9	50.0	7.52	1	won		v Sri Lanka	Sydney	8 Mar 2015
Pakistan	375/3	50.0	7.50	1	won		v Zimbabwe	Lahore	26 May 2015
West Indies	372/2	50.0	7.44	1	won		v Zimbabwe	Canberra	24 Feb 2015
South Africa	372/6	49.2	7.54	2	won		v Australia	Durban	5 Oct 2016
Australia	371/6	50.0	7.42	1	lost		v South Africa	Durban	5 Oct 2016
New Zealand	369/5	50.0	7.38	1	won		v Pakistan	Napier	3 Feb 2015
Sri Lanka	368/4	50.0	7.36	1	won		v Pakistan	Hambantota	26 Jul 2015
England	365/9	46.0	7.93	2	lost		v New Zealand	The Oval	12 Jun 2015
Pakistan	364/7	50.0	7.28	1	won		v New Zealand	Sharjah	14 Dec 2014
West Indies	363/4	50.0	7.26	1	won		v New Zealand	Hamilton	8 Jan 2014
India	363/5	50.0	7.26	1	won		v Sri Lanka	Cuttack	2 Nov 2014
Sri Lanka	363/9	50.0	7.26	1	won		v Scotland	Hobart	11 Mar 2015
South Africa	361/5	42.0	8.59	1	won		v West Indies	Centurion	28 Jan 2015
South Africa	361/6	50.0	7.22	1	won		v Australia	Johannesburg	2 Oct 2016
New Zealand	360/5	50.0	7.20	1	won		v Sri Lanka	Dunedin	23 Jan 2015
England	355/5	50.0	7.10	1	won		v Pakistan	Dubai (DSC)	20 Nov 2015
South Africa	354/5	50.0	7.08	1	won		v Ireland	Benoni	25 Sep 2016
Australia	350/6	50.0	7.00	1	won		v Zimbabwe	Harare	25 Aug 2014
England	350/3	44.0	7.95	2	won		v New Zealand	Nottingham	17 Jun 2015
New Zealand	349/7	50.0	6.98	1	lost		v England	Nottingham	17 Jun 2015
Australia	348/8	50.0	6.96	1	won		v India	Canberra	20 Jan 2016
South Africa	343/4	50.0	6.86	1	won		v West Indies	Basseterre	15 Jun 2016
Australia	342/9	50.0	6.84	1	won		v England	Melbourne	14 Feb 2015
Scotland	341/9	50.0	6.82	1	won		v Canada	Christchurch	23 Jan 2014
South Africa	341/6	50.0	6.82	1	won		v U.A.E.	Wellington	12 Mar 2015
New Zealand	341/7	50.0	6.82	1	won		v Bangladesh	Christchurch	26 Dec 2016
South Africa	339/5	50.0	6.78	1	won		v Sri Lanka	Hambantota	12 Jul 2014
South Africa	339/4	50.0	6.78	1	won		v Zimbabwe	Hamilton	15 Feb 2015
Pakistan	339/6	50.0	6.78	1	won		v U.A.E.	Napier	4 Mar 2015
West Indies	338/7	50.0	6.76	1	won		v Bangladesh	Basseterre	25 Aug 2014
Pakistan	337/6	47.0	7.17	1	won		v Ireland	Dublin (Malahide)	18 Aug 2016
Pakistan	337/5	50.0	6.74	1	won		v West Indies	Sharjah	2 Oct 2016
Zimbabwe	334/5	50.0	6.68	2	lost		v Pakistan	Lahore	26 May 2015
Sri Lanka	332/1	50.0	6.64	1	won		v Bangladesh	Melbourne	26 Feb 2015
New Zealand	331/6	50.0	6.62	1	won		v Sri Lanka	Christchurch	14 Feb 2015
Ireland	331/8	50.0	6.62	1	won		v Zimbabwe	Hobart	7 Mar 2015
India	331/4	49.4	6.66	2	won		v Australia	Sydney	23 Jan 2016
India	330/6	50.0	6.60	1	won		v West Indies	Dharamsala	17 Oct 2014
Australia	330/7	50.0	6.60	1	lost		v India	Sydney	23 Jan 2016
Sri Lanka	330/7	50.0	6.60	1	won		v West Indies	Bulawayo	23 Nov 2016

 

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Edited December 31, 2016 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

54 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Yeah I also saw that video rkt.india posted .But how many similar innings has he played . Because I honestly didn't watch much of IPL last season.

Pant definitely is hugely talented that's why I want him in the test team but consistency should be key not one off knocks .

He outbatted dekock in one of the games when they both opened together.

[Cricketics]

48 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Pandya has improved his accuracy significantly in recent times and has developed a stock ball.  His bowling was quite impressive in the ODI series against NZ and also on the A tour to Australia.   His batting lacks consistency but he can play some really good knocks and play at a very high SR too.  I don't think he is a forced picked at all.

 

When we were doing really well in ODIs, we had 2 really big hitters in Dhoni and Yuvraj in the middle-order with  support from Raina,    A SR of 85  to 95 was considered good then for the lower-middle order big hitters.

 

The ODI game has evolved since those days  and most teams have developed some big hitters who play at a SR of 105 to 125 batting at No. 5 to No. 8.

 

During this time we have seen Yuvi fade away after many good years,  Dhoni's batting style becoming that of a top order batter and Raina becoming fat and losing form.  We are now playing normal stroke-players like Pandey and Jadhav in these crucial positions when the rest of the world  are bringing a lot of fire-power and scoring 330+  with a lot more frequency than earlier.

 

We have to catch up with the high SR modern ODI game if we want to be consistent in ODIs from now on.

That is all correct but there are a lot of factors we need to see to make a good ODI team.

 

50 overs is an extremely long format compared to twenty20 where we do not just require just big hitters. I will keep players like Australai's Fynn and Yusuf in my 50 over team only if they show consistency to score runs in 50 overs. If they fail, I will ask them to stick to twenty20s. 

 

Yes, we need players who bat at a better striker rate, but not necessarily big hitters down the order. We do not want to fill our no 5-7 like  how Windies might usually have, who might have better strike rate players or hitters, but if the team is in trouble and they get to bat early due to the loss of too many wickets, they fail due to their ability to play only one way, that is the hitting way. 

 

I am ready to try players like Pant etc. We definitely have to try new players in near future, not only for our champions trophy campaign, but also for 2019 wc. But I will also like come consistency. Like you mentioned earlier about Raina being inconsistent recently in ODI's, we have to make sure that we have a more consistent lower order in the coming future.

 

The amount of time Ashwin has bailed us out in test during our collapse will not work in ODI's. As we know, Ashwin is not as good a batsman in ODI's like he is in the longer format. Jadeja will be more handy down the order but before him, we need to make sure we have a good batsman, who doesn't just do brainless hitting, but also knows how to bat till the 50th over and can rotate the strike every ball, something which is more important in 50 overs than power hitting.