So now the playing 11 is...

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

Dhawan is the one who has single handedly won us matches and that too in world Cup and Champions Trophy .Rahul hasn't won any match single handedly .

 

Dhawan also usually scores quickly or gets .Don't scratch around too much often.Rahul has shown in both ODIs and T20s he can't take advantage of powerplays .

 

If Dhawan who had 2 two poor scores is out of form , how is Rahul who had 3 failures in ODIs and 5 out of six overall in any better form ?

 

Dhawan is lefty , won't get bogged down in ODIs and proven performer in big tournaments .Only reason Rahul scores over him frankly is he is young .

Dhawan is out of form. Check out his scores in recent times even in first class.He plays one off decent innings here and there.That's it. On contrary to your claim dhawan scratch around a lot if he is finding it difficult. Rahul is blast or bah-bye player. Everyone knows he doesn't stick around much if he is not in zone and if sticks around he absolutely kills it.

 

Regarding how many matches he won, he has barely played 6 ODI's. Has an average of 55. He is a potential match winner absolutely no doubt about that. Besides rahul is technically better than Dhawan.

Edited February 5, 2017 by Pollack
Reason? :-- Ye Mara papad wale ko...

[Pollack]

 

22 minutes ago, Lord said:

How many ODIs has Rahul won us singlehandedly

 

 

Regarding how many matches he won. He has barely played 6 ODI's. Has an average of 55. He is a potential match winner absolutely no doubt about that. Besides rahul is technically better than Dhawan.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Pollack said:

 

Regarding how many matches he won. He has barely played 6 ODI's. Has an average of 55. He is a potential match winner absolutely no doubt about that. Besides rahul is technically better than Dhawan.

Rahul is also a better player of spin bowling. 

[ShebbySB]

On 2/2/2017 at 11:51 AM, Wristy flick said:

For tests v r pretty settled..But in case of loi's v hv a lot of confusion with respect to d playing 11..

For now I wud concentrate on d champions trophy..Post Ur squads n d playing 11 for CT..

My team:

Rahul

Rohit

Virat

Yuvi/Raina

Dhoni

Kedar

Hardik

Jadeja

Ashwin

Shami/BK

Bumrah

Reserves: Raina/yuvi, Shami/BK, Mishra, Umesh, Dhawan( considering 16 man squad)

It's never a 16 man squad for an ICC tournament.It'll be a 15 man squad.

My squad is like this:-

First XI:-

Rohit

Rahul

Kohli(c)

Yuvi

Dhoni(wk)

Kedar

Hardik

Jadeja

Ashwin

Shami

Bumrah

Reserves:- Dhawan,Pant,Chahal,BK.

I'd pick Dhawan over Rahane as back up opener in CT.Pant is in my squad over Manish and Raina

as he can open,play in the middle and also keeps.Chahal over Kuldeep and Mishra for me.Others are automatic selections.

In case of injury back up players are:-

Rahane,Hooda,Mishra,Thampi.

 

Edited February 5, 2017 by ShebbySB

[Lord]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Raina has already lost his place in ODI

 

How many odi has rahul even played ???? 6......cant pass a judgement on 6 odi's

Yes no doubt dhawan has done that in past.....but the ques is whats his current form. How is his confidence level

After 6 mnths it shud be seen who is in better form and obv who is fit

Dhawan has nt been all good only, there is a reason he has lost his place. And yes Rahul hasnt used his opp as well

SO no point taking a call right now. Things can change dramatically in next few mnths

Why did Dhawan lose his place?How many ODIs did he fail before being dropped

[Lord]

2 hours ago, Pollack said:

Dhawan is out of form. Check out his scores in recent times even in first class.He plays one off decent innings here and there.That's it. On contrary to your claim dhawan scratch around a lot if he is finding it difficult. Rahul is blast or bah-bye player. Everyone knows he doesn't stick around much if he is not in zone and if sticks around he absolutely kills it.

 

Regarding how many matches he won, he has barely played 6 ODI's. Has an average of 55. He is a potential match winner absolutely no doubt about that. Besides rahul is technically better than Dhawan.

Wasnt in Rahul who opened in England series?Looked like him

[GautiMaan]

Has Dhawan really won games for us single handedly for some reason none of his innings stick in memory like say Gambhir or even Rohit.

[Lord]

8 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

Has Dhawan really won games for us single handedly for some reason none of his innings stick in memory like say Gambhir or even Rohit.

Ton v SA in WC,v SA again in CT 2013 

 

 

[Pollack]

15 minutes ago, Lord said:

Ton v SA in WC,v SA again in CT 2013 

 

 

That's it . He has played 76 ODI's. And you are asking for match winning innings from Rahul in 3 matches of England series and from grand total of 6  matches he played till now!!!

 

Recently in t20 series  second match he played match winning innings at outstanding strike rate with fair amount of timing  when both sides struggled to time the ball properly.Included this just to let you know he is not out of form. He has problem of throwing it away trying too many shots.

Edited February 5, 2017 by Pollack

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Pollack said:

That's it . He has played 76 ODI's. And you are asking for match winning innings from Rahul in 3 matches of England series and from grand total of 6  matches he played till now!!!

I didnt claim he wins matches singlehandedly.

 

 

[Pollack]

34 minutes ago, Lord said:

Wasnt in Rahul who opened in England series?Looked like him

When did he stick around much without scoring at healthy strike rate?

[Pollack]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

I didnt claim he wins matches singlehandedly.

 

 

Fair enough.I think you interpreted it wrong. This is what I said:

 

Rahul is a player who singl-ehandedly win you games.

 

This statement does not mean he already has done so. Just a statement indicating what type of player he is.

But yes it can be interpreted the way you did as well.

 

 

 

BTW you made claim about Dhawan as well but only two innings to justify it.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Lord said:

Why did Dhawan lose his place?How many ODIs did he fail before being dropped

Its not always past few games, but he was becoming really inconsistent for few yrs

Rite before 2015 wc, his place was under threat 

• His many weaknesses were found by opp......he struggles against off spin, Bowl in his ribs and he ll struggle, his leg side play. 
• Other factor was him n rohit none had a s/r above 100 and their strike rotation isnt gr8 either
• When u loose place in other formats that means team mngmt is slowly loosing faith in u . 
• His job was to be aggresive one among to and he wasnt living upto modern standards. 
• At this stage if their is increasing competition around it doesnt help either. 

About failing in odi before, well he made runs in last odi series against Aus. But how many times can ur runs on absolute patta save ur weakness

[Lord]

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Its not always past few games, but he was becoming really inconsistent for few yrs

Rite before 2015 wc, his place was under threat 

• His many weaknesses were found by opp......he struggles against off spin, Bowl in his ribs and he ll struggle, his leg side play. 
• Other factor was him n rohit none had a s/r above 100 and their strike rotation isnt gr8 either
• When u loose place in other formats that means team mngmt is slowly loosing faith in u . 
• His job was to be aggresive one among to and he wasnt living upto modern standards. 
• At this stage if their is increasing competition around it doesnt help either. 

About failing in odi before, well he made runs in last odi series against Aus. But how many times can ur runs on absolute patta save ur weakness

Few years?lol you are mixing up formats bigtime .He was our best batsman in WC.And after that did well in his last series before England series

 

The weaknesses are there for Tests.I'd prefer Rahul for Tests and T20s too

 

CT and WC are in England where he has great record too.

 

How has Rahul done enough in 6 ODIs(3 vs Zim) to deserve a spot ahead of him?

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, Lord said:

Few years?lol you are mixing up formats bigtime .He was our best batsman in WC.And after that did well in his last series before England series

 

The weaknesses are there for Tests.I'd prefer Rahul for Tests and T20s too

 

CT and WC are in England where he has great record too.

 

How has Rahul done enough in 6 ODIs(3 vs Zim) to deserve a spot ahead of him?

M nt mixing format, just check how badly was this guy caught by Sa team when they came to India in 5 odi series

Good bowlers will always expose dhawan in any format, which is what Sa did when they came to India, Aus, Sa, NZ did when he went there prior to 2015 WC. 

CT was in 2013 and Wc 2015, thats past

Rahul hasnt done anything to keep his place thats why we r having a debate or else there wud have been no debate. But 6 odi's are really less

 

The reality is rite now there is no ODI cricket and other formats will dictate who will start in the playing 11, including IPL stats

Dhawan shud definately go to CT, i hope they dnt take rahane

All dhawan can do rite now is pile on runs in domestic odi and ipl.

Rahul has test cricket n ipl to win the race as well. 

 

Its ultimately who wins team mngmt trust, dnt forget dhawan went to ct 2013 due his debut 100 against AUS in test cricket. 

Edited February 5, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03