Will Indian cricket die if BCCI withdraws from ICC?

[horizonspeaks]

Post ICC-divorce, BCCI could 

1) Build an alternate ICC and include Nepal, Afghanistan & a few other associates with any current full member joining. 

2) Play two IPLs and poach a bunch of players from ICC member countries. They will just "retire" and play IPL.

3) Host all World Cups and major tournaments in India for next few decades. 

4) Lend out space for other Indian sports, just as a Good-will. 

 

IPL fetched TV ads revenue of 1200 crore, where World T-20 fetched only 300 crore. The comparison can't be more brutal. 

Edited February 15, 2017 by horizonspeaks

[nevada]

21 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

Pull out from icc tournaments will kill icc not bcci.

Exactly! BCCI should kick ICC in the nuts and tell them goodbye.

 

4 hours ago, horizonspeaks said:

Post ICC-divorce, BCCI could 

1) Build an alternate ICC and include Nepal, Afghanistan & a few other associates with any current full member joining. 

2) Play two IPLs and poach a bunch of players from ICC member countries. They will just "retire" and play IPL.

3) Host all World Cups and major tournaments in India for next few decades. 

4) Lend out space for other Indian sports, just as a Good-will. 

 

IPL fetched TV ads revenue of 1200 crore, where World T-20 fetched only 300 crore. The comparison can't be more brutal. 

All good ideas. To this I would one more thing - they don't need to limit to T20 only. They can start unofficial ODIs and tests too, like Kerry Packer series and the South African rebel tours back in their isolation days.

[Trichromatic]

Who are most popular IPL players who haven't played international cricket yet?

[horizonspeaks]

Value of IPL in foreign players - is another myth. There are plenty of players who doesn't join the league or drop off in between. That doesn't affect an iota of revenue of the league. 

[Trichromatic]

56 minutes ago, horizonspeaks said:

Value of IPL in foreign players - is another myth. There are plenty of players who doesn't join the league or drop off in between. That doesn't affect an iota of revenue of the league. 

Believing that value of IPL isn't in international players is another myth. Value of IPL is in international players - Indians and foreigners.

 

Value of IPL was and is in SRT, Sehwag, Dhoni, Raina, Gambhir, Ganguly, Kohli, Gayle AB, Steyn and not in uncapped players.

 

The most expensive uncapped Indian players

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-premier-league-2016/content/story/969863.html

 

No one will go just to watch them even if they are best performers in domestic cricket and valued very high by franchises.

 

Without international cricket, Kohli won't be different than Karun Nair. The day when uncapped players start becoming crowd pullers, IPL will become independent of international cricket. So far there hasn't been even start in that direction.

 

[Rroyce]

The war between ICC and BCCI will not help anyone. Nobody likes to watch IPL with just Indian first class players. Also, with declining revenues from India, the game can't survive. Having said that, if someone can come out of the rut and rebuild, it's BCCI. That should be BCCI's stand when everything else fails in the negotiations

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, Rroyce said:

The war between ICC and BCCI will not help anyone. Nobody likes to watch IPL with just Indian first class players. Also, with declining revenues from India, the game can't survive. Having said that, if someone can come out of the rut and rebuild, it's BCCI. That should be BCCI's stand when everything else fails in the negotiations

Even after 9 years, IPL hasn't produced a single star or T20 specialist who can pull viewers with his IPL stint only. This is one reason why India struggles in this format of the game.

[mishra]

3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Even after 9 years, IPL hasn't produced a single star or T20 specialist who can pull viewers with his IPL stint only. This is one reason why India struggles in this format of the game.

That is incorrect. Messi is a hero in Spain. For a fact ABDV/ Gayle is hero to Indian kids.

[Trichromatic]

56 minutes ago, mishra said:

That is incorrect. Messi is a hero in Spain. For a fact ABDV/ Gayle is hero to Indian kids.

I was talking about Indian players. Which Indian player is a hero just on the basis of IPL?

[mishra]

28 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

I was talking about Indian players. Which Indian player is a hero just on the basis of IPL?

Just like foreign IPL idols, local idols will emerge. People want to watch international cricket but that doesnt mean BCCI can not have a league where stars arent born. In all honesty if BCCI leaves ICC,  player quality of ICC will go down gutter and at a faster rate than Pakistani team. Thats why i say BCCI to provisionally withdraw from all competition so that ICC can evaluate importance of BCCI and treat it fairly

[horizonspeaks]

2 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

I was talking about Indian players. Which Indian player is a hero just on the basis of IPL?

Factor that with the fact that IPL is played only for a month and International cricket for 11 months. 

England refused to send their players for a while. Pakistanis don't play in IPL. Who cares? ABDV will not play parts of IPL this time. Will it affect TRP?

To your point, IPL didn't produce any heroes so far because the heroes in IPL enter international cricket immediately. Also, past is not an indication of the future. 

The TRP in IPL is driven by drama of the match, close finish and excitement. In a way it is similar to NFL. It will sell without heroes as people cheer their franchise. It's self-sustainable. We should expand it, even if it's Indians-only. 

[Trichromatic]

6 minutes ago, horizonspeaks said:

Factor that with the fact that IPL is played only for a month and International cricket for 11 months. 

England refused to send their players for a while. Pakistanis don't play in IPL. Who cares? ABDV will not play parts of IPL this time. Will it affect TRP?

To your point, IPL didn't produce any heroes so far because the heroes in IPL enter international cricket immediately. Also, past is not an indication of the future. 

The TRP in IPL is driven by drama of the match, close finish and excitement. In a way it is similar to NFL. It will sell without heroes as people cheer their franchise. It's self-sustainable. We should expand it, even if it's Indians-only. 

Question isn't about foreign players. If IPL 2017 is organized without Kohli, Dhoni, Gambhir and any other Indian player who have played international cricket, will it be successful? It's value will drop below world T20.

 

TRP of IPL is driven by top Indian players who have earned fame from international cricket. Without them it would be a richer league version of Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy.

[mishra]

7 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Question isn't about foreign players. If IPL 2017 is organized without Kohli, Dhoni, Gambhir and any other Indian player who have played international cricket, will it be successful? It's value will drop below world T20.

 

TRP of IPL is driven by top Indian players who have earned fame from international cricket. Without them it would be a richer league version of Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy.

What kind of logic is that? You mean to say BCCI will give away all its stars. BCCI doesnt need ICC. All it needs is Dada, Kumble,Tendulkar,kapil, Sunny G and few more icons supporting its moove and just our players to be successfull.

It has time and money to follow a future. ICC wont survive.  CA and ECB will go back to golden era where there will be no quality cricketers, just a set of commentators hyping up mediocre cricket.

[horizonspeaks]

26 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Question isn't about foreign players. If IPL 2017 is organized without Kohli, Dhoni, Gambhir and any other Indian player who have played international cricket, will it be successful? It's value will drop below world T20.

 

TRP of IPL is driven by top Indian players who have earned fame from international cricket. Without them it would be a richer league version of Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy.

You're already including Gambhir and that undermines International cricket. He hasn't played international cricket for a while. I already have answered, IPL is played for a month. People will forget what they saw 11 months back. International cricketers play all around the year. The memories of them are fresh in the mind. Nothing else ...

 

BTW, if those stars don't appear in World T20, what would be the state of World T20? It already earns one fourth of the ad revenue ...

Edited February 16, 2017 by horizonspeaks

[RedFever]

21 hours ago, chewy said:

India (or BCCI) will survive without ICC, the domestic structure is now robust, plenty of world class stadiums and enough quality Indian players to play within and invite others from overseas. With or without ICC, BCCI will only grow their revenues as incomes of people increase. 

 

ICC will survive but it will become a hegemony of Anglo-Australia and will cut out all associates and leave likes of Pakistan, West Indies and Sri Lanka fighting for scraps. Not too mention they will be haemorrhaging discontent players to IPL (especially the white players from South Africa).

 

ICC will grow poorer as revenue from ICC events will shrink considerably and the HQ will be moved backed to London. 

 

And if someone visionary like Lalit Modi arrives at BCCI, then they will probably set-up a parallel World Cricket body tweaking some playing rules, with parallel bodies in the big cricket playing countries. Basically what you have with Rugby Union vs Rugby League. ICC being Rugby league. 

Best thing would be to have a 4-5 month season which starts from Jan and play the matches only on weekends like NFL or EPL, and just a couple of matches on weekdays and have the playoffs and Superbowl like finale in May.

But Hold on this is India, For every visionary like Lalit Modi, you will have hundreds of Manohar ready to bring the successful organization down.

[Trichromatic]

3 hours ago, horizonspeaks said:

You're already including Gambhir and that undermines International cricket. He hasn't played international cricket for a while. I already have answered, IPL is played for a month. People will forget what they saw 11 months back. International cricketers play all around the year. The memories of them are fresh in the mind. Nothing else ...

 

BTW, if those stars don't appear in World T20, what would be the state of World T20? It already earns one fourth of the ad revenue ...

Gambhir is a household name because of international cricket and not IPL.

[mishra]

Shaahtri speaks!

http://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/news/dont-try-to-take-advantage-of-bccis-current-mess-shastri/articleshow/57190369.cms

 

I think more voices will be voicing there fraank opinion. If i was BCCI, i would have demanded immediate suspension/resignation of Snake Manohar else we wont pay next month pay of any ICC employee

[sandeep]

Biggest loser in all this is ECB.  They are the ones with the most to lose as and when the IPL expands its season duration.  If not today, in 5-8 years, you are going to see a 12 team IPL.  At least. India is too big a market to have just 8 teams.   And when that happens the IPL season is going to expand to 100 days.  That's going to be a big chunk of the "English" summer, that the top players in world cricket will be unavailable.  

 

Why do you think there's so much IPL hate in ECB and its associated minions?  They know this writing on the wall.  Stupid fools should have setup a proper league for themselves and staked a claim in the cricket calendar.  But they are still pottering around in their gardens, arguing about the 18 counties or whatever absurd number they have.  Good for us.  Bad for them.  

[sandeep]

13 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Even after 9 years, IPL hasn't produced a single star or T20 specialist who can pull viewers with his IPL stint only. This is one reason why India struggles in this format of the game.

That's not quite true.  Usually a player with such potential, gets pulled into the national team orbit fairly quickly and rightly so.  Ashwin made the Indian team on back of his IPL performances, for example.  Hardik Pandya made it to the team only on the back of IPL and Syed Mushtaq Ali - which is a tournament with a handful of games.  

[mishra]

^ If international cricket goes down to competetive level of India vs Zimbabwe, people will rather watch karin nair pant and aiyar competing at domestic level