WhatsApp forwards - the bane of society. Read this nonsense about corruption in India.

[Brainfade]

It always starts with some scholarly language, like "Indians are Hobbesian," to hook the reader into reading further.  This is followed by a bunch of ridiculous mumbo-jumpo, but with just enough random facts that seem to make sense.  Like "India’s temples collect so much that they don’t know what to do with it."  

 

The biggest issue?  Most people simply scan through it, and if it came from a loved or trusted relative or friend, just believe it and forward it without thinking about it.  They don't care to ask who wrote it, or what the basis is for this opinion.  Some people will ask these questions and decide it is nonsensical and will not forward it.  But, they will not challenge whoever sends it because (a) it's too late - the crap is out there and (b) you don't want to offend your friends or loved ones or humiliate them on the group.  And so, it is perpetuated unchecked and unchallenged, and we are all stupider for it.

 

Am sure this happens on other social media platforms too, but WhatsApp is the only one I have, hence I had to single them out.  

 

A New Zealander's view of corruption in India

 

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Indians are Hobbesian

(Culture of self interest)

 

 

 

Corruption in India is a cultural aspect. Indians seem to think nothing peculiar about corruption. It is everywhere.

 

Indians tolerate corrupt individuals rather than correct them.

 

No race can be congenitally corrupt.

 

But can a race be corrupted by its culture?

 

To know why Indians are corrupt, look at their patterns and practices.

 

First:

 

Religion is transactional in  India.

 

Indians give God cash and anticipate an out-of-turn reward.

 

Such a plea acknowledges that favours are needed for the undeserving.

 

In the world outside the temple walls, such a transaction is named “bribe”.

 

A wealthy Indian gives not cash to temples, but gold crowns and such baubles.

 

His gifts can not feed the poor. His pay-off is for God. He thinks it will be wasted if it goes to a needy man.

 

In June 2009, The Hindu published a report of Karnataka minister G. Janardhan Reddy gifting a crown of gold and diamonds worth Rs 45 crore to Tirupati.

 

India’s temples collect so much that they don’t know what to do with it. Billions are gathering dust in temple vaults.

 

When Europeans came to India  they built schools. When Indians go to Europe & USA, they build temples.

 

Indians believe that if God accepts money for his favours, then nothing is wrong in doing the same thing. This is why Indians are so easily corruptible.

 

Indian culture accommodates such transactions morally. There is no real stigma. An utterly corrupt JayaLalita can make a comeback, just unthinkable in the West.

 

Second –

 

Indian moral ambiguity towards corruption is visible in its history. Indian history tells of the capture of cities and kingdoms after guards were paid off to open the gates, and commanders paid off to surrender.

 

This is unique to India.

 

Indians’ corrupt nature has meant limited warfare on the subcontinent.

 

It is striking how little Indians have actually fought compared to ancient  Greece and modern Europe.

 

The Turks’ battles with Nadir Shah were vicious and fought to the finish.

 

In India fighting wasn’t needed, bribing was enough to see off armies.

 

Any invader willing to spend cash could brush aside India’s kings, no matter how many tens of thousands soldiers were in their infantry.

 

Little resistance was given by the Indians at the “ Battle ” of Plassey.

 

Clive paid off Mir Jaffar and all of Bengal folded to an army of 3,000.

 

There was always a financial exchange to taking Indian forts. Golconda was captured in 1687 after the secret back door was left open.

 

Mughals vanquished Marathas and Rajputs with nothing but bribes.

 

The Raja of Srinagar gave up Dara Shikoh’s son Sulaiman to Aurangzeb after receiving a bribe.

 

There are many cases where Indians participated on a large scale in treason due to bribery.

 

Question is: Why Indians have a transactional culture while other ‘civilized’ nations don’t?

 

Third –

 

Indians do not believe in the theory that they all can rise if each of them behaves morally, because that is not the message of their faith.

 

Their caste system separates them.

 

They don’t believe that all men are equal.

 

This resulted in their division and migration to other religions.

 

Many Hindus started their own faith like Sikh, Jain, Buddha and many converted to Christianity and Islam.

 

The result is that Indians don’t trust one another.

 

There are no Indians in India, there are Hindus, Christians, Muslims and what not.

 

Indians forget that 400 years ago they all belonged to one faith.

 

This division evolved an unhealthy culture. The inequality has resulted in a corrupt society, in India every one is thus against everyone else, except God ­and even he must be bribed.

 

Brian from Godzone

NEW ZEALAND

 

 

I have often thought so but have also said “it cannot be so bad”! May be I am wrong but I.did not have iti me to join the bribe takers even though it means to be one with our Gods!! Would youxhort all and sundry to explore change.? SHANTONU SEN

 

  

 

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by Brainfade

[Tibarn]

Some Kiwi clown visits India 1 time and becomes an expert in everything. Then his worthless opinion gets spread all around WhatsApp.   

 

Kya vaat hai. 

Edited August 7, 2017 by Tibarn

[zen]

With so much distrust around, is Ind perceived as the new Moldova 

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by zen

[kubrickian]

India is not the only country in the world to have corruption. There is corruption in countries which dont have the cultural idiosyncrasies which he point out but they still happen.

 

The big problem in India is too much population and less job opportunities and lack of education like most other developing nations. This results in electing clowns who are not qualified for the posts they hold and also take advantage of the power they hold and try to make money while they can. 

 

In general, there should be a check on population, improve job opportunities by improving infrastructure, improve private, public sector , attract more FDI, improve education standards which will in turn allow better leaders to be elected and then followed by transitioning to more industry, service based economy and lesser dependence on agriculture, build better cities and towns and all this will have an overall effect of improving standard of living.

 

India is on right track but will take a lot of time given the size of population and there are lots of challenges and pitfalls ahead.

Edited August 7, 2017 by kubrickian

[surajmal]

1 hour ago, Tibarn said:

Some Kiwi clown visits India 1 time and becomes an expert in everything. Then his worthless opinion gets spread all around WhatsApp.   

 

Kya vaat hai. 

Indians think even goras' turd would taste sweeter than jalebis. This whatsapp forward is one of those things. Some Indian passing his/her own sophomoric understanding of Indian society as pearls of wisdom from some gora - so that it would find more takers. 

[Brainfade]

49 minutes ago, surajmal said:

Indians think even goras' turd would taste sweeter than jalebis. This whatsapp forward is one of those things. Some Indian passing his/her own sophomoric understanding of Indian society as pearls of wisdom from some gora - so that it would find more takers. 

Who knows who wrote it in the first place.  There are no references or anything.  It looks like something a stupid teenager could have conjured up and posted on Whatsapp.  

 

My bigger point was that we must all think for ourselves before blindly forwarding Whatsapp.  And if you are courageous enough, call people out when they perpetuate nonsense, even if they didn't start it themselves.

[kubrickian]

59 minutes ago, Brainfade said:

Who knows who wrote it in the first place.  There are no references or anything.  It looks like something a stupid teenager could have conjured up and posted on Whatsapp.  

 

My bigger point was that we must all think for ourselves before blindly forwarding Whatsapp.  And if you are courageous enough, call people out when they perpetuate nonsense, even if they didn't start it themselves.

Yeah its definitely written by someone from India. If they say its written by a New Zealander(outsider from a developed country) it will get more attention.

[Brainfade]

5 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Yeah its definitely written by someone from India. If they say its written by a New Zealander(outsider from a developed country) it will get more attention.

Yep. And this is another issue worth discussing. Why do we feel the need to be so proud and elated when a Westerner learns Carnatic music, wears a sari, appreciates Bollywood, likes palak paneer or learns how to pronounce Hariharasubramanyaganapathi?  Who the frack cares?  Each culture stands on its own legs and does not need affirmation from people of another culture to give it legitimacy.  I don't imagine that Sicilians in NYC would jump for joy when a desi dude enjoys fettuccine alfredo and listens to Pavarotti.    

[coffee_rules]

Yep, got it..Written by a converted Indian missionary. Churches performing miracle services, what is that called?

[MechEng]

"When Europeans came to India  they built schools. When Indians go to Europe & USA, they build temples"

 

So much naivety here. I don't want to get started on the reality of European contribution to India, there's already huge literature available for that. But why should Indians build schools in US and Europe when these guys have MIT, CalTech, Princeton, Cambridge and Oxford? Makes no sense.

 

Building temples makes more sense as an act of representing their culture.

[MechEng]

5 hours ago, Brainfade said:

Yep. And this is another issue worth discussing. Why do we feel the need to be so proud and elated when a Westerner learns Carnatic music, wears a sari, appreciates Bollywood, likes palak paneer or learns how to pronounce Hariharasubramanyaganapathi?  Who the frack cares?  Each culture stands on its own legs and does not need affirmation from people of another culture to give it legitimacy.  I don't imagine that Sicilians in NYC would jump for joy when a desi dude enjoys fettuccine alfredo and listens to Pavarotti.    

Symptoms of nehruvian inferiority complex. The good news though is that we are slowly coming out of it.

[kubrickian]

20 hours ago, Brainfade said:

Yep. And this is another issue worth discussing. Why do we feel the need to be so proud and elated when a Westerner learns Carnatic music, wears a sari, appreciates Bollywood, likes palak paneer or learns how to pronounce Hariharasubramanyaganapathi?  Who the frack cares?  Each culture stands on its own legs and does not need affirmation from people of another culture to give it legitimacy.  I don't imagine that Sicilians in NYC would jump for joy when a desi dude enjoys fettuccine alfredo and listens to Pavarotti.    

There are loads of channels on youtube where a white girl/guy "reacts" to a Bollywood song or scene and tons of Indians subscribe to them and give them comments and likes. What an easy way to make money.  

[Vilander]

anything that starts with 'India(meaning all Indians) are like this' is like saying all people on earth/7 are like this'. So yeah i dont give too much importance to it, but he raises some valid points, there is some merit in them. For instance i can go on and say, India is a *ing corrupt **** hole, now that we are over that bit..its also pathetic **** hole in terms of many development parameters..oh yeah...now for something better, its politicians are mostly short sighted and are basically pathetic crap eating vermin who are nepotistic and corrupt...ok wow..India is a giant **** mountain, but hey there are lots of brilliant folks there they are India too. 

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, kubrickian said:

There are loads of channels on youtube where a white girl/guy "reacts" to a Bollywood song or scene and tons of Indians subscribe to them and give them comments and likes. What an easy way to make money.  

lol yeah lots of it...its pathetic to see the loosers crave for approval and give their views/likes to those you tubers.

[Vilander]

21 hours ago, Brainfade said:

Yep. And this is another issue worth discussing. Why do we feel the need to be so proud and elated when a Westerner learns Carnatic music, wears a sari, appreciates Bollywood, likes palak paneer or learns how to pronounce Hariharasubramanyaganapathi?  Who the frack cares?  Each culture stands on its own legs and does not need affirmation from people of another culture to give it legitimacy.  I don't imagine that Sicilians in NYC would jump for joy when a desi dude enjoys fettuccine alfredo and listens to Pavarotti.    

same reason there is a bollywood,kollywood,kundiwood etc and also IPL,KPL,TNPL etc..many loosers in India just want gora approval.

[Vilander]

23 hours ago, surajmal said:

Indians think even goras' turd would taste sweeter than jalebis. This whatsapp forward is one of those things. Some Indian passing his/her own sophomoric understanding of Indian society as pearls of wisdom from some gora - so that it would find more takers. 

or even worse, self loathing piece of **** who got the forward from some source and thinks its revolutionary just because it came from a goras anus. 

[Vilander]

16 hours ago, MechEng said:

Symptoms of nehruvian inferiority complex. The good news though is that we are slowly coming out of it.

the more Indians work with white Americans in big corporations the more this whatever complex goes to the grave for ever.