SK_IH Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) Is he a backup of Pandya? Is he the permanent 2nd spinner? Is he first choice spinner if & when Pandya gets back? Analysing his performance today, I would say he had a good day with ball but another ordinary day with bat. He was for the zillionth time playing and missing and running those doubles in death overs. His batting is just not good enough for no.7 slot but his bowling is best out of the other options available. I am unable to fathom what is his role in side out of the above mentioned options. Edited January 17, 2020 by SK_IH tweaker, Suhaan and rahulrulezz 2 1 Link to comment
zen Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) I think he may be playing the AR's role. Since Ind is playing 3 specialist seamers + Kuldeep/Chahal, they would want someone who can bowl spin (2nd spinner) and bat too in the 11 (or they would play both Kuldeep and Chahal). His performance (or impact/effectiveness) in this role can be of course be evaluated Edited January 17, 2020 by zen Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 Jadeja at best can play the role Jadhav played for India. He is a capable batsman and bowling there is no comparison. If Jadeja's batting was at par with someone like Sakib, it would have been perfect. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, zen said: I think he may be playing the AR role. Since Ind is playing 3 specialist spinners + Kuldeep/Chahal, they would want someone who can bowl spin (2nd spinner) and bat too in the 11. His performance (or impact) in this role can be of course be evaluated If he playing the all rounder role, then he will be replaced once Pandya is back? Link to comment
zen Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SK_IH said: If he playing the all rounder role, then he will be replaced once Pandya is back? Depends upon the combination as Pandya is good enough to come in as a power hitter w/ his bowling a bonus PS both are among the best fielders around Edited January 17, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 he shud be in 2023 plans as its in India and pitches tend to turn in 2nd half of tournament which is where he becomes dangerous. He only bats well when he has time so ill have him at 6. With pandya coming from injury he might take time to get back with his bowling. Cricwala 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) If kohli had already decided about Jadeja being a certainity in the xi,he should have acted a little smartly,but then it is too much an ask for a human being named Kohli,he should have tried him up the order against the recent lesser teams,but the thing his timing of experimentation has always been Jadeja is an utter embarrassment down the order in quest of quickfire runs in lois which are being played mostly on pattas Edited January 17, 2020 by Suhaan SK_IH 1 Link to comment
Cricwala Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, SK_IH said: Is he a backup of Pandya? Is he the permanent 2nd seamer? Is he first choice spinner if & when Pandya gets back? Analysing his performance today, I would say he had a good day with ball but another ordinary day with bat. He was for the zillionth time playing and missing and running those doubles in death overs. His batting is just not good enough for no.7 slot but his bowling is best out of the other options available. I am unable to fathom what is his role in side out of the above mentioned options. 1. His batting has improved a notch in last 1 year, so he's not as bad as he was during the 2018 Asia cup when he made a return to the team out of the blue. He can contribute to a repair job if team is 4 down in first 20, or can go at run a ball and turn strike over to more established batsman in last 10, or tonk atleast the 2nd tier bowlers of opposition. So has batting utility, lesser than a Moeen Ali, but something nonetheless. 2. Seeing lack of superior spin bowling all rounders in set up, i wld pen him down as 5th bowler in ODIs, with Pandya your batting all rounder & 6th bowler (after injury, i doubt Pandya will or shld exert beyond 135). This means u can play 4 other regular bowlers (2 quicks + 2 spin, or 3 quicks + 1spin) Whether Kohli sticks to this plan, or he loses his heart to next new thing/idea is a million dollar question. SK_IH 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 I would say Jadeja as a overall package is a very good cricketer to have in your side. However his batting at no.7 is redundant and is detrimental to his own side than opposition lol. I would say India can play following side in future. Rohit Rahul Virat Iyer Jadeja Pant Pandya Kuldeep Saini Shami Bumrah Jadeja has to show how the fcuk he scored those triples in first class cricket now in intl cricket. Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) He is fine as a fifth bowler plus batsman who can hold one end and build a partnership with main batsmen.I would want Pandya to take no6 spot and make it his own.That way there is option of playing extra bowler or batsman. Jadaja is not undroppable , he needs to play as per pitch conditions.Jadeja has no upside , he is limited as far his ceiling goes.If there are more attacking bowlers who can handle bat, Jadeja should be the first one to be dropped. Edited January 17, 2020 by putrevus Link to comment
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I already said this before. As a bowler, he's only useful to contain runs, not take wickets. As a batsman, he only produces one good lower order innings in 30-40 matches. Champions Trophy 2013 should have been his last ODI series but here we are. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 Jadeja has to play the role of poor man's Ben Stokes in this lineup to lend balance to the side. He is a liability in the side both as a no 7 batsman or as a lone spinner. Link to comment
zen Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I haven’t seen Sunder of late (except when he muffed up a catch/midfield) so do not know how he is shaping up. Can he compete with Jadeja, who is a better fielder and bowler? What other spin bowling AR options do we have? Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 If Jadeja is replaced by Pandya, then it would either mean playing Pandya as a 3rd seamer or playing Pandya as a 4th seamer but one less spinner. Both not favorable options for India. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Is he a backup of Pandya? When pandya is not fit as of now yes coz i dnt see anyone who can bowl 10 overs n bat 23 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Is he the permanent 2nd spinner? On days when u wanna play 3 seamers yes 23 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Is he first choice spinner if & when Pandya gets back? He shud not play as bowler 23 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Analysing his performance today, I would say he had a good day with ball but another ordinary day with bat. He was for the zillionth time playing and missing and running those doubles in death overs. This was an indian pitch and his home ground ....he likes these pitches 23 minutes ago, SK_IH said: His batting is just not good enough for no.7 slot but his bowling is best out of the other options available. I am unable to fathom what is his role in side out of the above mentioned options. his hitting from ball-1 was never good , he has only played well when he has had time in his hand SK_IH 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, zen said: I haven’t seen Sunder of late (except when he muffed up a catch/midfield) so do not know how he is shaping up. Can he compete with Jadeja, who is a better fielder and bowler? What other spin bowling AR options do we have? Jadeja's bowling is better than Sundar for sure. Sundar might be an upgrade with bat though. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, SK_IH said: Jadeja's bowling is better than Sundar for sure. Sundar might be an upgrade with bat though. yup i agree in ODI not in t20 , Even TN doesnt trust much on sundar for bowling i dont knw why though Link to comment
zen Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, SK_IH said: Jadeja's bowling is better than Sundar for sure. Sundar might be an upgrade with bat though. In that case Sundar can be an option, along with being the 5-6th bowling option with Pandya Link to comment
Param Mastishk Pheeka Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 To be a total badass with electric fielding, tight bowling and a couple of slogs in end overs. And today, he did it! Link to comment
Cricwala Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, SK_IH said: I would say Jadeja as a overall package is a very good cricketer to have in your side. However his batting at no.7 is redundant and is detrimental to his own side than opposition lol. I would say India can play following side in future. Rohit Rahul Virat Iyer Jadeja Pant Pandya Kuldeep Saini Shami Bumrah Jadeja has to show how the fcuk he scored those triples in first class cricket now in intl cricket. Too high a position. He has done alright at 7. In 6 innings since & including 2019 WC SF knock, he has scored 198 runs off 175 balls - avg 66 (boosted by not outs) at SR of 113. Keep expectations real. U can promote him at times - say if team lost heap of wickets and u want him to rebuild and keep Pandya in hut for late assault, but generally the 6 batsmen above him shld have better skills to build an innings, last thing you want is for Jadeja to start thinking he is proper bat and he starts eating dot balls, while better bats are sitting in pavilion. Btw, just found out he had a monster year in 2014 - 14 innings, all at 7, avg 61, SR 110 (3 fifties in SENA, 1 in Dhaka, at SR of 106-146!). So yeah, he might struggle to smack Starc, Cummins, Lockie, but he can play them for 1s and 2s, and definitely smack likes of Cottrell, Southee, Woakes, Santner etc. Lesson - There is always a best-possible balanced team available at any point of time. A good leader is one who builds the best balanced team from available resources, has a vision, sticks to that vision with a major tournament as goal. Hope that for a change Kohli sticks with this punt of Jadeja at 7 Link to comment
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