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First of all, I am not sure if the match will even happen. Forecasts of rain on that day...Pak will win with a handsome margin today...win or no win we are fucked.

Rain on Saturday?

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It's so painful to see, how our ODI and T20 game has regressed, same old set, no innovation in batting, I mean what is the use of Ipl if it doesn't improves ur improvisation, do we have anybody who can play reverse shot for six, let alone a 360°player like ab, maxwell and buttler,also selector should be held accountable for not giving chances to guys like pandey, iyer, nair, mishra, compare this team to 2011 team and that team would wallop this team 9 out of 10 times.

Chak De India

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It's so painful to see, how our ODI and T20 game has regressed, same old set, no innovation in batting, I mean what is the use of Ipl if it doesn't improves ur improvisation, do we have anybody who can play reverse shot for six, let alone a 360°player like ab, maxwell and buttler,also selector should be held accountable for not giving chances to guys like pandey, iyer, nair, mishra, compare this team to 2011 team and that team would wallop this team 9 out of 10 times.

 

Chak De India

 

 

 

 

I don't know if our T20 game has regressed. Haven't we won 10 out of the last 12 or something? We had a bad game yesterday and it will cost us. But I do kind of agree with you. We have guys Rahane and Yuvraj competing for T20 spots. You know that  suggests that things aren't  golden

 

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It's so painful to see, how our ODI and T20 game has regressed, same old set, no innovation in batting, I mean what is the use of Ipl if it doesn't improves ur improvisation, do we have anybody who can play reverse shot for six, let alone a 360°player like ab, maxwell and buttler,also selector should be held accountable for not giving chances to guys like pandey, iyer, nair, mishra, compare this team to 2011 team and that team would wallop this team 9 out of 10 times.

 

Chak De India

 

 

 

 

There is a problem in batting after Kohli. I know that we don't have an X factor player like Maxwell, AB de Villiers, etc. We have to live with this fact am afraid.

Actually, we are a better side than the performance showed yesterday.

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Just win 3 matches in a row and their through, I don't think 3 teams will finish 3-1 in the group to be decided by run rate. They beat Bangladesh twice very easily in asia cup recently, swept australia in their own back yard, and never lost to pakistan in a WC, technically they should be able to. But unfortunately this team looks very fragile. Ashwin and Bumrah are the only reliable bowlers. Batting lacks stability and power hitting.

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India move one place up courtesy Bangladesh's bigger loss to Pakistan today. What happens now to the permutations for India to qualify? Are we now in more trouble since two teams are running away with it?

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India move one place up courtesy Bangladesh's bigger loss to Pakistan today. What happens now to the permutations for India to qualify? Are we now in more trouble since two teams are running away with it?

Bangbros were never a threat to make it into the SF.

Pakistan are and they not only got a win but a 2.75 NRR boost.

Not a good result for India.

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India move one place up courtesy Bangladesh's bigger loss to Pakistan today. What happens now to the permutations for India to qualify? Are we now in more trouble since two teams are running away with it?

No big changes as BD is not a strong contender for SF berth 

NZ vs OZ is the key at this point. And ofc Ind has to win its games 

 

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Bangbros were never a threat to make it into the SF.

Pakistan are and they not only got a win but a 2.75 NRR boost.

Not a good result for India.

You never know, your team can be bundled out in the next games and lose the advantage. Pakistan is the other definition of unpredictability.

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Bangbros were never a threat to make it into the SF.

Pakistan are and they not only got a win but a 2.75 NRR boost.

Not a good result for India.

Ind vs Pak game would decide. How useful the NRR is for Pak 

As if Pak loses, it may be difficult for it to beat both NZ and Aus. If Ind loses, it will almost be curtains for it too apart from some theoretical scenarios 

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No big changes as BD is not a strong contender for SF berth 

NZ vs OZ is the key at this point. And ofc Ind has to win its games 

 

NZ vs Aus in Dharamsala on Friday is a big one. Conditions favor the Kiwis.  

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Dude, I was talking about short format of the game. Who gives a damn about test cricket results when t20 world cup is going on.

In that case, has Ind played any T20 with Pak at Kol? If I am not wrong, Ind has only lost in ODIs to Pak. While T20 is a different format :winky:

 

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Sea of negativity has set in after last night's result. I appeal to ICFers to look ahead in a positive sense without much expectations and shed negativity and let's see how our team goes.:cheer:

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I was talking about ODIs-closest thing to T20.

It can also be argued that in terms of strategy, T20 is closer to tests too as a team needs to be more attacking in its approach to win 

So if you are taking about formats, Ind has not played Pak in T20 at Kol. If you combine all formats, Ind has won a game so it is not like Ind has never beaten Pak before 

Let's not cherry pick to suit our needs 

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What's with the wrist slitting? Relax. Normal service will resume come March 19th.

Lol

That's not wrist slitting,but a rational thought

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Bhai keep calm. No need for any calculations. If India looses to Pakistan its game over for these losers.

Otherwise they have to win all the 5 matches to win the cup.

3 teams can still be tied on NRR. So, not just winning, but winning one by a big margin may become necessary.

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Yes but we wont win big which is what is required for NRR. We need to win 2 matches wtih 30+ runs just to be even now

We can get a big win against Bangla ...medium size win against OZ

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To get in to positive NRR situation, below is what is required (roughly):

47/3 = approx. 16 runs per game

a) Win games by 20 runs

b) Win games by chasing in 17-18 overs (assuming that RRR at the start would be around 8 to 10) 

 

Or have one big win where Ind wins by 50 runs or chases in 15-16 overs

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To get in to positive NRR situation, below is what is required (roughly):

47/3 = approx. 16 runs per game

a) Win games by 20 runs

b) Win games by chasing in 17-18 overs (assuming that RRR at the start would be around 8 to 10) 

 

If we are chasing less than 8 an over target, is the number of overs reduced?

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If we are chasing less than 8 an over target, is the number of overs reduced?

It would depend up on the target. If it is 140 odd, we can probably do it in 17 overs 

Chasing anything less, it would be in Ind's interested to get it as soon as possible if conditions allow 

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NRR is basically out of out hands unless we get a big win in one of the games where we win by 50 runs or chase in 15-16 overs 

It is more beneficial that a scenario happens where Ind can qualify based on number of wins alone

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NRR is basically out of out hands unless we get a big win in one of the games where we win by 50 runs or chase in 15-16 overs 

It is more beneficial that a scenario happens where Ind can qualify based on number of wins alone

And that happens if two teams including India are stuck at 3 and the rest at 2 and 0 wins. Correct?

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And that happens if two teams including India are stuck at 3 and the rest at 2 and 0 wins. Correct?

Yeah something like that .... NZ can win all 4 though with Ind at 3 .... If Aus or Pak win all four then other teams would have to lose 2, and Ind would have to win 3

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O Bhai log... Being positive is all right but don't discount the fact that you need aggressive cricket from Dhoni and his team... Aggressiveness and Dhoni doesn't goes hand in hand... Defensive mindset has its limitations...

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O Bhai log... Being positive is all right but don't discount the fact that you need aggressive cricket from Dhoni and his team... Aggressiveness and Dhoni doesn't goes hand in hand... Defensive mindset has its limitations...

Haha. Right.

I am trying to be as positive as I can but after Pak-Bangla match somewhere I do get this feeling ki hamari already lag chuki hai. :laugh:

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Ind best chance is probably on 19th as Pak is mercurial. 

Who knows, if they bat first, they might try to get 200 again and get all out for 120. Ind can chase that in 15 overs to get a NRR of 2 out of that game

or

Ind gets 200. And Pak slogs to end up with 130 odd. Giving Ind a NRR of 3 out of that game 

:cantstop:

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Batting first, scoring a huge total and dismissing the opposition for atleast 50 runs less...is our best chance of practically nullifying the NRR disadvantage.

Looks remote to me. :((

If we win by a fair margin in the remaining games, I think we should still be fine.

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I think we should support good cricket. Hopefully the most entertaining teams, along with those that get their strategies and selection right, will be the last four 

There is no point in hoping for a donkey to run like a horse :deadhorse:  .... Let the team show it can run hard too in this competition. Past records don't matter much 

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I think we should support good cricket. Hopefully the most entertaining teams, along with those that get their strategies and selection right, will be the last four 

There is no point in hoping for a donkey to run like a horse :deadhorse:  .... Let the team show it can run hard too in this competition. Past records don't matter much 

We need to accept reality. If the team fails to make it past this stage, then we would have simply botched up a brilliant chance to win a World Cup, much like in 2007.

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We need to accept reality. If the team fails to make it past this stage, then we would have simply botched up a brilliant chance to win a World Cup, much like in 2007

Remember that strong teams on paper have not usually won the WT20 .... Let Ind show that it can bounce back first. It has 3 games in its hands 

On the other hand, It is frustrating  to see the same 11 play no matter not. And guys like Panday and Mishra not even in the squad

 

 

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Remember that strong teams on paper have not usually won the WT20 .... Let Ind show that it can bounce back first. It has 3 games in its hands 

On the other hand, It is frustrating  to see the same 11 play no matter not. And guys like Panday and Mishra not even in the squad

 

 

Home teams have especially done well in World Cups held at home. From 2011, home teams have won too. India in 2011 and Aus in 2015 for example. That is why, it will be bitter pill to swallow if we don't go further. But then, in WT20, it is not necessarily true though.

I completely agree, Pandey deserved a look in. Mishra would have been effective too.

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Remember that strong teams on paper have not usually won the WT20 .... Let Ind show that it can bounce back first. It has 3 games in its hands 

On the other hand, It is frustrating  to see the same 11 play no matter not. And guys like Panday and Mishra not even in the squad

 

 

Its amazing of ICF that how guys change their mood. Its okay that Pandey scored Century in last match of Australia tour, but some time ago, everybody here was writing him off as a 'hack' and now out of nowhere, he is supposed to be best batsman in middle order. Yuvi isn't doing that bad now, he is certainly getting his rhythm back. Give him chance at no.4, he will do good. Its Raina who is struggling big time. Haven't seen a big innings from him barring that in last T20 against Aussies. Also Mishra is not a big match player. He always struggles in crunch situations. Attack him a bit initially and he will be on low confidence through out the match. I would have liked if Indians unleashed Kuldeep Yadav in this tournament. He would have given some novelty to Indian attack just like Bumrah did and teams would have taken time to adjust to his chinamen. Mishra comes, performs for 2-3 matches and then again becomes average. He doesn't seem to be long term option. We should invest in youngsters.

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Home teams have especially done well in World Cups held at home. From 2011, home teams have won too. India in 2011 and Aus in 2015 for example. That is why, it will be bitter pill to swallow if we don't go further. But then, in WT20, it is not necessarily true though.

I completely agree, Pandey deserved a look in. Mishra would have been effective too.

Pandey and Mishra were a must. Pandey has played some really awesome match winning knocks in this format. Mishra is match winning t20 bowler. But our selectors and captain don't know jack shit.

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Pandey and Mishra were a must. Pandey has played some really awesome match winning knocks in this format. Mishra is match winning t20 bowler. But our selectors and captain don't know jack shit.

Not sure about selectors but Dhoni knows exactly what team he needs... And that's where the problem is... Jis pe uska dil aa Gaya... He backs him to the hilt till he's forced to drop him... Team selection, strategy etc Gaya tel lene...

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