putrevus Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, velu said: but atleast he didnt nead other players to save the teams ass when the bhagwan was going for certain milestone Bhagwan when in form did lot more than Dhoni ever did in his whole career. Don't compare Dhoni to Sachin, it is a ridiculous comparison. Sachin ( he was obsessed with his milestones I agree with that part) is one of the greatest players who ever lived and Dhoni was a overachiever who is very good in ODIs and average in tests and below average in T20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, putrevus said: Scoring below 20 runs and that too with very average strike rate is not playing any important role. He lost many T20s just due to his inability to hit boundaries. Match against WI in USA is one example and matches against NZ are others. He has played most number of T20s if I am wrong for India and he is one guy who has the least match winning innings to his name. All the players who played as many games as he has have excelled in at least few games. Dhoni is still an excellent ODI player because he can run like gazelle and maintain SR around 100. In T20s you need SR over 200 for a batting spot Dhoni bats so to give his SR and compare it to top order batsman is ridiculous. He will get exposed this year in IPL now that he cannot hide behind captaincy. I remember watching Asia Cup and World T20 and here's what I saw... Openers (Rohit & Dhawan): Failed every match except for one knock by Rohit against B'desh in Asia Cup (opening match I believe) Kohli: Best bat and carried us through both the tourneys Yuvraj: Embarrasing to watch and couldn't do anything Dhoni: Supported Kohli nearly every game and was the 2nd best batsman Rahane: Played one match and cost us the WT20 semi-final Others: Don't recall any other batsman doing much of note I'm not saying Dhoni should be in the T20 team. If I would have had my way I wouldn't have played Yuvraj and Rahane for the last few years and fast tracked Pant to take over Dhoni's spot as the wkt keeper, and I would still do the same in T20s. i was simply stating that your statement "Dhoni never was second best batsman in team at any point in his career in T20s" was false as whoever watched last years' Asia Cup and WR20 - essentially the only time T20s actually count for anything at intl level - could see that Dhoni was the next best after Kohli. If you want to revise history and claim some other batsman was the next best after Kohli in those two tourneys, so be it. Edited April 10, 2017 by Ultimate_Game Sidhoni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 On 4/9/2017 at 4:36 AM, BeautifulGame said: Actually Mama will have the last laugh as usual when his team is scrapped Won't MSD go on sale for every team to buy during bidding? How can he be so sure to have MSD again? I know they will have lot of money to buy him as they will have full purse but then so would Rajasthan, who are coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Won't MSD go on sale for every team to buy during bidding? How can he be so sure to have MSD again? I know they will have lot of money to buy him as they will have full purse but then so would Rajasthan, who are coming back. Also every team will have full purse because all the players are going into auction next season. But Teams will always be allowed to retain a couple of players as marque as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: Teams will always be allowed to retain a couple of players . Ya but Dhoni can be retained? He was bought by Pune, so he can be only "regained" through bidding if I am right and can not be "retained" as CSK at this time have Nill players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Ya but Dhoni can be retained? He was bought by Pune, so he can be only "regained" theough biddinf if I am right and can not be "retained" as CSK at this time have Nill players. He wasn't bought , Inherited from CSK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidhoni Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 29 minutes ago, New guy said: After others had done the hard work. Yep, thats our MSD Go take care of the new angel. Dhoni ki buraai to chalti rahegi :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 minute ago, BeautifulGame said: He wasn't bought , Inherited from CSK Okay, pretty messed up IPl system that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidhoni Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Will Dhoni be auctioned next season? Just don't let any fat Ambanis touch the paddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaloo Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Sidhoni said: Will Dhoni be auctioned next season? Just don't let any fat Ambanis touch the paddle. After watching him play for pune, dont think anyone will want him apart from Chuskis, speedheat and asterix 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, putrevus said: Bhagwan when in form did lot more than Dhoni ever did in his whole career. Don't compare Dhoni to Sachin, it is a ridiculous comparison. Sachin ( he was obsessed with his milestones I agree with that part) is one of the greatest players who ever lived and Dhoni was a overachiever who is very good in ODIs and average in tests and below average in T20s. in ODIs dhoni did more than what bhagwan did .. in tests dont think sachin did any series winnign perofrmance kira 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 minute ago, laaloo said: After watching him play for pune, dont think anyone will want him apart from Chuskis, Good strategy that! means CSK will be able to pick him up cheaply velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: I remember watching Asia Cup and World T20 and here's what I saw... Openers (Rohit & Dhawan): Failed every match except for one knock by Rohit against B'desh in Asia Cup (opening match I believe) Kohli: Best bat and carried us through both the tourneys Yuvraj: Embarrasing to watch and couldn't do anything Dhoni: Supported Kohli nearly every game and was the 2nd best batsman Rahane: Played one match and cost us the WT20 semi-final Others: Don't recall any other batsman doing much of note I'm not saying Dhoni should be in the T20 team. If I would have had my way I wouldn't have played Yuvraj and Rahane for the last few years and fast tracked Pant to take over Dhoni's spot as the wkt keeper, and I would still do the same in T20s. i was simply stating that your statement "Dhoni never was second best batsman in team at any point in his career in T20s" was false as whoever watched last years' Asia Cup and WR20 - essentially the only time T20s actually count for anything at intl level - could see that Dhoni was the next best after Kohli. If you want to revise history and claim some other batsman was the next best after Kohli in those two tourneys, so be it. If you think by scoring those below 20s runs makes Dhoni at the end (when everything has been set up )second best batsman in the team well then our definition of batsman totally are very different. The T20 world cup is what matters in t20s and Dhoni to my knowledge has one good knock in all the world cups he has played that was again a supporting role of 47 against Australia in 2007 T20 world cup. After that I have not seen him do anything except become a hindrance for the team by stopping another youngster who deserved spot more than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaloo Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Good strategy that! means CSK will be able to pick him up cheaply Hope they take back the same crew they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Good strategy that! means CSK will be able to pick him up cheaply and keep trolling the stupid owners and haterz Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, velu said: in ODIs dhoni did more than what bhagwan did .. in tests dont think sachin did any series winnign perofrmance What did Dhoni do more than Sachin in odis? Yes Sachin did not have any series winning performances but to compare him with Dhoni is blasphemous. Sachin and Dhoni are in totally different leagues as players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, putrevus said: If you think by scoring those below 20s runs makes Dhoni at the end (when everything has been set up )second best batsman in the team well then our definition of batsman totally are very different. The T20 world cup is what matters in t20s and Dhoni to my knowledge has one good knock in all the world cups he has played that was again a supporting role of 47 against Australia in 2007 T20 world cup. After that I have not seen him do anything except become a hindrance for the team by stopping another youngster who deserved spot more than him. When every other batsman failed to score those 20 odd runs then the guy who does get them becomes the 2nd best. In those tourneys none of Rohit, Dhawan, Rahane, Pandey or any other batsman showed they were capable of getting those 20 runs. It was all Kohli and then Dhoni's 20 runs. And the definition is pretty self-explanatory I guess. 2nd best batsman is the batsman who performs next to the best batsman. You tell me in last year's Asia Cup and WT20 tourneys who else was the 2nd best batsman after Kohli? Wasn't Rohit, wasn't Dhawan, wasn't yuvraj, wasn't rahane and others. At least Dhoni was able to get those 20 odd else we wouldn't have reached semi final inspite of having Kohli in the team. Edited April 10, 2017 by Ultimate_Game velu and Sidhoni 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, laaloo said: Hope they take back the same crew they had. CSK should aim to get Dhoni, Raina, Bravo, Ashwin and Jaddu back at the very least. velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaloo Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Just now, Ultimate_Game said: CSK should aim to get Dhoni, Raina, Bravo, Ashwin and Jaddu back at the very least. Yup and mohit sharma and NEgi and Jakati as well. Take back the whole team that was distributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Just now, laaloo said: Yup and mohit sharma and NEgi and Jakati as well. Take back the whole team that was distributed. No. They're useless. i would look for other players to supplement the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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