maniac Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Yeah sure! Just like Aaron had and so many others I call it double standards and hypocrisy. Aaron has pace and a killer short ball....but not a lot of other tools.....all sub 130 bowlers are trundlers but all 140+ bowlers are not yes there are some exceptions. speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: He has bowled crap. Imo 11 wickets in 12 matches at eco of 9 is rubbish. Will praise him when he takes as many wickets as strike bowler and chokes runs to acceptable level. But this IPL he has been a flop. The main objective of new players is to catch the eye of the cricketing fraternity as an international prospect. This leads to national team callups and future large IPL contracts. Thampi has done just that with his quick, indipping yorkers. Most past cricketers are talking about him positively. He is being entrusted to bowl the death overs regularly. He was already practicing at the Team India nets and identified by Kumble as an international prospect. From that point of view, this IPL has been a huge success for Thampi. speedheat, tweaker and Mosher 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: He has bowled crap. Imo 11 wickets in 12 matches at eco of 9 is rubbish. Will praise him when he takes as many wickets as strike bowler and chokes runs to acceptable level. But this IPL he has been a flop. thats tooo high an expectation Our best bowler shami is not able to do that............even purple cap holder gets smacked by struggling dhoni best bowler in the world steyn has been smashed by kids in IPL They he does what u demand.......congrats u have unearthed the next mcgrath but u dnt get mcgrath every day speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Rahane has the talent....but he hasnt soughted out his game in LOI. But talent is there There have been many who have done that......Again cricket has evolved. Sandeep might have done really well 2 wcs ago but now i doubt ....still can be given a chance on A-tours or t20...... Also one more example, people ridiculed hardik pandya last yr(which was bizzare)......but he had the talent, pace, bounce..... He went on A tour and worked on his length and look at the improvement As many gr8 of fast bowling will tell u.....pace cant be taught but control over line n length comes over the period of time ( dnt come up with examples like Aaron now ) When u have pace.....its not easy to have control. The line n length xamples we quote for our trundlers......well they dnt have pace so its easy to have control for them. Its not that bowlers are idiot and they dnt understand what is good line n length Experts also say performance trumps everything. And yeah control isn't easy and that's why if someone has brains and control backed by performance, the guy should be backed. Pandya is a different example coz he's an all-rounder and not a specialist bowler. You need to back a pace all-rounder coz we don't have any. Other than Irfan Pathan and Kapil Dev I struggle to come up with any half decent pace all-rounders we ever had. They are like gold dust and have to be backed and given a long rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Let me see how many of these will have the control if they are blessed with Aaron's pace Let me see how many of these will maintain rhythem once u go through injuries that Aaron go through. That pace takes a hell lot of tol on the body ......Not every body is same either . I call it lack of understanding...... Drive a veichle at 50k and then 120k ....ull knw where wud u have more control. I call it making excuses... no control coz of pace, injuries etc. End of the day it's results which should count. Nothing else. If you apparently have that much of an advantage with pace logic dictates the faster bowlers should be outbowling someone like Sandeep. Haven't seen that for the last 3-4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said: Experts also say performance trumps everything. And yeah control isn't easy and that's why if someone has brains and control backed by performance, the guy should be backed. By that logic SA shud discard Rabadaa after watching him bowl in IPL....so shud we do same with IPL About ur quote u dnt listen to those experts completely then. There is a process how a player is made Yuvi, sehwag struggled in International cricket for few yrs .......rohit for how many years Yet they were backed and thats how u make players U dnt get champions in one season. Some start well , some pick up late.........all go through their ways But the 1st step always is spot the right talent. speedheat and ss25 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: By that logic SA shud discard Rabadaa after watching him bowl in IPL....so shud we do same with IPL About ur quote u dnt listen to those experts completely then. There is a process how a player is made Yuvi, sehwag struggled in International cricket for few yrs .......rohit for how many years Yet they were backed and thats how u make players U dnt get champions in one season. Some start well , some pick up late.........all go through their ways But the 1st step always is spot the right talent. By the same logic shouldn't somebody like Sandeep be backed coz he was the best Indian pacer at u-19 WC, has consistently been the best pacer in domestic and one of the top Indian pacers in IPL over the last 3-4 years. Surely he deserves the same backing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 The main objective of new players is to catch the eye of the cricketing fraternity as an international prospect. This leads to national team callups and future large IPL contracts. Thampi has done just that with his quick, indipping yorkers. Most past cricketers are talking about him positively. He is being entrusted to bowl the death overs regularly. He was already practicing at the Team India nets and identified by Kumble as an international prospect. From that point of view, this IPL has been a huge success for Thampi. He needs to work on his bowling. Batters at IPL level who are better than domestic are not afraid of his pace. They are using his pace to score at 9 runs per over. There is lot for him to work on. Sent from my ASUS_Z00LD using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said: I call it making excuses... no control coz of pace, injuries etc. I quit as i cant argue with lack of such knowledge Fitness as excuse for fast bowler.........hahahaahah. Thats the 1st thing a fast bowlers need. how many bowlers have u seen coming from injury and hitting the mark. It takes time to build rhythem Also if ur so dying to compare with Aaron well...............plzz do it . As sandeep can enjoy his company n comparison with Aaron on benches . @express bowling -u can carry man from here. When someone makes such a statement with fast bowling i find it waste of time to explain that person any thing. @Ultimate_Game i suggest u to watch a lot of fast bowlers interviews , documentaries on youtube. And please watch and understand the whole concept rather nitpicking . tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I hope he does not follows the footsteps of Dinda, Varun, Vinay. Has to improve a lot. He is already a very expensive runs per over bowler like them. Sent from my ASUS_Z00LD using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 cricketers spotting the talent .......that to indian cricketers who all use to sing same song of line n length have understood the game has evolved now Shocked this joker also We arent the only one excited by the talent speedheat, tweaker, express bowling and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollack Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Nathu looks the best.Sadly he gets injured at wrong times. Siraj is good too. But definitely not Thampi as of now. Much of it is plain overhype. Of course different people have different opinions. Straight Drive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said: End of the day it's results which should count. Nothing else. Performances matter in international matches. Problem is... performances at FC level and IPL level very often do not convert into international performances .... like Dhawal Kulkarni and old RP Singh. Even Bhuvi has been superb in the IPLs but quite average in ODIs and T20Is so far..........and many of the IPL non-performers often do really well in international cricket.... like Shami. This is why, I have never seen selectors, captains and coaches give much importance to FC and IPL performances on a stand-alone basis. Only when a player looks to be an international type cricketer.... his performances at FC and IPL add to his selectability. Edited May 10, 2017 by express bowling speedheat and Ankit_sharma03 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Pollack said: Nathu looks the best.Sadly he gets injured at wrong times. Siraj is good too. But definitely not Thampi as of now. Much of it is plain overhype. Of course different people have different opinions. Hype is when we say he is the bext steyn or whatever But we have just said he is a very good talent.........now its upto him Many gr8 talents have been spotted and they themselves are responsible for their failure. Their is no hype around him.....like he ll come n make us into worlds best attack. Yes nathu looks complete among all, injury is a part of fast bowlers career specially who bowl at good pace . Indian fast bowling culture is going through a transition of understanding fitness . Both Siraj n Thampi are really good talent, at this point they shud be taken to India-A tours rather wasting berths on players like Dhawal, Unadkat, dinda....... Its the tough contest that will raise their game...... express bowling and speedheat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Yes nathu looks complete among all, injury is a part of fast bowlers career specially who bowl at good pace . Indian fast bowling culture is going through a transition of understanding fitness . Both Siraj n Thampi are really good talent, at this point they shud be taken to India-A tours rather wasting berths on players like Dhawal, Unadkat, dinda....... Its the tough contest that will raise their game...... Siraj is someone who has genuine pace of upto 145 k, skiddiness, inswing and a good bouncer. He is developing a decent slower ball and can bowl yorkers too. Along with that, he picked up 41 wickets in this FC season. This combo means that he needs to be sent on A tours. Thampi will be developed by the selectors for LOIs for sure. Anyone who can bowl indipping fast yorkers will always stay in the selectors' radar. I feel sad for Nathu Singh. Top talent who misses another IPL due to injury. He was very impressive in the 2 matches he has played. We saw almost test match type bowling from him.... good length, off stump at 138 k to 145 k punctuated by bouncers. Was very economical in this IPL giving away only 15 runs in 4 overs and picking a wicket. He has a good yorker too. Khejroliya, who was superb in VH trophy, has not got a game yet and that is frustrating. Edited May 10, 2017 by express bowling Mosher, speedheat and Bleed-Blue 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, express bowling said: Siraj is someone who has genuine pace of upto 145 k, skiddiness, inswing and a good bouncer. He is developing a decent slower ball and can bowl yorkers too. Along with that, he picked up 41 wickets in this FC season. This combo means that he needs to be sent on A tours. Thampi will be developed by the selectors for LOIs for sure. Anyone who can bowl indipping fast yorkers will always stay in the selectors' radar. I feel sad for Nathu Singh. Top talent who misses another IPL due to injury. He was very impressive in the 2 matches he has played. We saw almost test match type bowling from him.... good length, off stump at 138 k to 145 k punctuated by bouncers. Was very economical in this IPL giving away only 15 runs in 4 overs and picking a wicket. He has a good yorker too. Khejroliya, who was superb in VH trophy, has not got a game yet and that is frustrating. Hope Nathu gets fit in time for India-A tour to SA...and gets selected Along with Thampi, Rajpoot is another m very keen on for LOI Avesh is another talent being wasted, dnt knw why he didnt even play this domestic season as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Hope Nathu gets fit in time for India-A tour to SA...and gets selected Along with Thampi, Rajpoot is another m very keen on for LOI Avesh is another talent being wasted, dnt knw why he didnt even play this domestic season as well Yeah....Rajpoot has looked good too. He has pace, bounce, seam movement, swing, decent accuracy, height, skiddiness, ..... and a good FC record. I don't know why he has been ignored so far. Edited May 11, 2017 by express bowling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 52 minutes ago, express bowling said: Performances matter in international matches. Problem is... performances at FC level and IPL level very often do not convert into international performances .... like Dhawal Kulkarni and old RP Singh. Even Bhuvi has been superb in the IPLs but quite average in ODIs and T20Is so far..........and many of the IPL non-performers often do really well in international cricket.... like Shami. This is why, I have never seen selectors, captains and coaches give much importance to FC and IPL performances alone. Only when a player looks to be an international type cricketer.... his performances at FC and IPL add to his selectability. Bhuvi average in T20Is? when? hes better than Shami and Nehra.Way better than Shami infact IPL isnt ODI format so can only judge T20Is from there Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 54 minutes ago, express bowling said: Performances matter in international matches. Problem is... performances at FC level and IPL level very often do not convert into international performances .... like Dhawal Kulkarni and old RP Singh. Even Bhuvi has been superb in the IPLs but quite average in ODIs and T20Is so far..........and many of the IPL non-performers often do really well in international cricket.... like Shami. This is why, I have never seen selectors, captains and coaches give much importance to FC and IPL performances alone. Only when a player looks to be an international type cricketer.... his performances at FC and IPL add to his selectability. Performances matter at every level else how do you get to the intl level to prove you belong? A player can fight anything but not pre-conceived notions and bias. I mean it's mind boggling to see one bowler with figures of 31 runs off 4 overs and winning the match being mentioned as being "clobbered" whereas a bowler conceding 43 off 3.4 terms and unable to help his team defend a total of 196 being appreciated for bowling a yorker Nobody can fight against such bias and double standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lord said: Bhuvi average in T20Is? when? hes better than Shami and Nehra.Way better than Shami infact IPL isnt ODI format so can only judge T20Is from there He has 16 wickets from 16 T20I matches and his wicket-taking rate is not as good as the IPL where he has 108 wickets from 88 matches. I know that IPL is not a 50 over format but most people in this forum seem to make their ODI picks based on the IPL. Hence the statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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