Dinesh Karthik to replace Manish Pandey for Champions Trophy

[kubrickian]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Again its baffling to see Shami as an option, 

It shud be bhuvi vs umesh vs ashwin , place of ur best bowler shud nt be in ques

Bhuvi should be picked above everyone else in the bowling attack. Shami is better than him but its been 2 years since he last played an ODI. So there's no guarantee how he will bowl if he gets picked again. But if he does well in warm ups, they should pick him.

 

Ashwin Vs Pandya depending on the pitch conditions.

[Laaloo]

10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Again its baffling to see Shami as an option, 

It shud be bhuvi vs umesh vs ashwin , place of ur best bowler shud nt be in ques

It should be but it wont be. Because it will  swing in England so bhuvi is an automatic choice regardless of Shamis credentials

[WC2011INDIA]

sigh......rahul and manish..two awesome cricketers out with injury...such horrible luck...but might be blessing in disguise for them if this team gets knocked out early.

[kubrickian]

10 minutes ago, laaloo said:

It should be but it wont be. Because it will  swing in England so bhuvi is an automatic choice regardless of Shamis credentials

Shami is also good with the new ball when it swings. 

[Laaloo]

Just now, kubrickian said:

Shami is also good with the new ball when it swings. 

Shami is good regardless. He's a gun ODI bowler.

[kubrickian]

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

This MSK Prasad led selection panel has been exceptionally regressive and conservative... similar to how MSK Prasad was a player in his playing days  

 

Not even one bold pick and reverting to tested failures. No balls to make a left field pick or back a youngster or two  

It resembles Pakistani style of picking a side. Going back to tried and tested players because they have more experience as they dont have guts to try out new players at the risk of them failing. Need to have a new selection panel if India has to have a shot at WC.

Edited May 18, 2017 by kubrickian

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Ashwin Vs Pandya depending on the pitch conditions.

 

We have seen in ODIs played in the last 8 months that  Pandya's place is fixed as big hitter / all-rounder.

 

It will be 3rd pacer vs Ashwin

[kubrickian]

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We have seen in ODIs played in the last 8 months that  Pandya's place is fixed as big hitter / all-rounder.

 

It will be 3rd pacer vs Ashwin

Pandya is shite at the death. If you are going to play only 2 seamers and Pandya with Ashwin, he will be expensive at the death. That's why Shami, Bhuvi and Bumrah should play. Even Umesh is expensive in death overs.

[Ankit_sharma03]

29 minutes ago, laaloo said:

It should be but it wont be. Because it will  swing in England so bhuvi is an automatic choice regardless of Shamis credentials

Eng have produced absolute patta tracks in past few yrs. 

 

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Eng have produced absolute patta tracks in past few yrs. 

 

but public especially on icf believes it will swing so...

[kubrickian]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Eng have produced absolute patta tracks in past few yrs. 

 

Swing doesnt have anything to do with pitch though. Swing happens in the air.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

31 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Bhuvi should be picked above everyone else in the bowling attack. Shami is better than him but its been 2 years since he last played an ODI. So there's no guarantee how he will bowl if he gets picked again. But if he does well in warm ups, they should pick him.

 

Ashwin Vs Pandya depending on the pitch conditions.

Its also been few yrs since bhuvi has bowled well in odis so whats his gurantee

Ashwin vs pandya is nt possible they are not aiming for same role. With yuvi dhoni in side u need extra cushion in battting.

 

Pandya has been decent in death not shyte. He has mostly bowled ib indian condition. 

 

It will be 

Umesh vs bhuvi vs ashwin

 

Ashwin is coming from an injury what gurantee do u have he ll get in rhythem asap.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, kubrickian said:

Swing doesnt have anything to do with pitch though. Swing happens in the air.  

That hasnt happened for bhuvi in  loi for past few yrs. He has done well in ipl but he always does. No way can he play over shami. 

Shami is miles ahead as a bowler then bhuvi is.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, laaloo said:

but public especially on icf believes it will swing so...

Public ke bolne konsa eng ke curator ne ghaas chodh deni hai. 

To give benefit to their home team they also need pattas. Those hacks need pattas 

[kubrickian]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Its also been few yrs since bhuvi has bowled well in odis so whats his gurantee

Ashwin vs pandya is nt possible they are not aiming for same role. With yuvi dhoni in side u need extra cushion in battting.

 

Pandya has been decent in death not shyte. He has mostly bowled ib indian condition. 

 

It will be 

Umesh vs bhuvi vs ashwin

 

Ashwin is coming from an injury what gurantee do u have he ll get in rhythem asap.

No guarantee but you have to pick based on what you have. Ashwin has played test series and ODIs before his injury. Its not like he is coming from a long layoff. Shami is different from Bhuvi because he had problems with injuries over the past 2 years and not played much test cricket either. Bhuvi has done well in IPL as well and very good at yorkers and bowling at the death. But hopefully Shami will get back to his best in CT because Umesh is generally not a good ODI bowler.

 

Regarding Pandya, he doesnt have a good yorker which is the only way you can stop batsmen at the death nowadays. He reverts to either bowling short or slower deliveries at the death and becomes quite predictable.

 

Bhuvi, Shami, Bumrah, Jadeja and then Ashwin or Pandya depending on conditions.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, kubrickian said:

No guarantee but you have to pick based on what you have. Ashwin has played test series and ODIs before his injury. Its not like he is coming from a long layoff. Shami is different from Bhuvi because he had problems with injuries over the past 2 years and not played much test cricket either. Bhuvi has done well in IPL as well and very good at yorkers and bowling at the death. But hopefully Shami will get back to his best in CT because Umesh is generally not a good ODI bowler.

 

Regarding Pandya, he doesnt have a good yorker which is the only way you can stop batsmen at the death nowadays. He reverts to either bowling short or slower deliveries at the death and becomes quite predictable.

 

Bhuvi, Shami, Bumrah, Jadeja and then Ashwin or Pandya depending on conditions.

Hardik plays as an all rounder

Does ashwin offer what he offer with bat......no

Their is a huge diff btw their fielding as well

Jaddu at 7 has been a decade long failure 

Why do u need hardik at death when u have 3 good death bowlers is shami, bumrah, bhuvi. Even bhuvi n bumrah have been smashed by a dhoni who is not at his best

 

Now he has developed his bowling, u must have seen his 2016 bowling. He has bowled last over well this ipl.

 

About his short pitch, well eng pitches will have better bounce n longee grounds so same deilveries might lead to wkts. 

 

Pandya has time n again showed how good is he under pressure. Icc tournaments are all about pressure. 

 

Pandya is not only their as a bowler but a tonker as well who cud give u thise extra 20 runs. Ashwin batting isnt of much use in loi unless their is a collapse. Bhajji batting was more useful in loi

 

[kubrickian]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Hardik plays as an all rounder

Does ashwin offer what he offer with bat......no

Their is a huge diff btw their fielding as well

Jaddu at 7 has been a decade long failure 

Why do u need hardik at death when u have 3 good death bowlers is shami, bumrah, bhuvi. Even bhuvi n bumrah have been smashed by a dhoni who is not at his best

 

Now he has developed his bowling, u must have seen his 2016 bowling. He has bowled last over well this ipl.

 

About his short pitch, well eng pitches will have better bounce n longee grounds so same deilveries might lead to wkts. 

 

Pandya has time n again showed how good is he under pressure. Icc tournaments are all about pressure. 

 

Pandya is not only their as a bowler but a tonker as well who cud give u thise extra 20 runs. Ashwin batting isnt of much use in loi unless their is a collapse. Bhajji batting was more useful in loi

 

Yeah if you are going to pick Bhuvi, Shami and Bumrah, Pandya can be picked as a seamer all rounder. But if Ashwin gets in because pitch is dry and helping spinners, you may want to pick him and Jadeja in which case Pandya misses out. 

 

Pandya cant be in the lineup if you have only 3 seamers because it would require him to bowl at the death. You have to be deadly accurate if you have to do well in the death overs but he hasnt shown that control.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Yeah if you are going to pick Bhuvi, Shami and Bumrah, Pandya can be picked as a seamer all rounder. But if Ashwin gets in because pitch is dry and helping spinners, you may want to pick him and Jadeja in which case Pandya misses out. 

 

Pandya cant be in the lineup if you have only 3 seamers because it would require him to bowl at the death. You have to be deadly accurate if you have to do well in the death overs but he hasnt shown that control.

Didnt we use to maniuplate over when bhuvi started and he was mostly bowled in. 1st spell only as his death bowling was quite below avg. Pandya has bowled in ipl in death. Even if some one gets injured u get umesh again same.prob exsist.

 

What about batting problem which happens when we drop pandya. Deep down we all knw yuvi n dhoni arent same players and jadhav is yet to best tested overseas. 

 

Pandya is a must at this time n he ll feature regulalry. He can only be replaced by an all rounder

[kubrickian]

10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Didnt we use to maniuplate over when bhuvi started and he was mostly bowled in. 1st spell only as his death bowling was quite below avg. Pandya has bowled in ipl in death. Even if some one gets injured u get umesh again same.prob exsist.

 

What about batting problem which happens when we drop pandya. Deep down we all knw yuvi n dhoni arent same players and jadhav is yet to best tested overseas. 

 

Pandya is a must at this time n he ll feature regulalry. He can only be replaced by an all rounder

Bhuvi was not great at the death when he started out but he has improved a lot since getting accurate with yorkers. He always had good control and knows how to bowl to his field. He is definitely a good ODI bowler.

 

If Kedhar is not tested overseas, then we can also say Pandya is not tested overseas as a batsman. Not sure we can guarantee he will add depth to batting. But you can make a case for him as an all rounder if he plays in place of Ashwin.

Edited May 18, 2017 by kubrickian

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Pathetic...should have been Raina.

 

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