randomGuy Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, sandeep said: Better prepared? Sure a midget who is 3 ft tall is relatively taller than a 2 ft 10 inches one, but still a midget. You are free to cling to your "everyone in china owns a car" nonsense, and your pre-conceptions about what "prosperous countries" do. If they had to start a war, why have they not started yet? Thodi akkal lagao, koi war (ya limited conflict) nahi ho rahi. (That doesn't mean we drop our guard). I gave car ex. Coz it is very appropriate sign of prosperity n to show how prosperous china has become that chinese people buy 6-7times the passenger cars that Indians buy annually. Bewakufoon jaisa behave kar rahe ho...how often did prosperous US go to direct war with Russia, or china with Japan in recent times. China has a proxy in Pakistan as well. Why being so thick btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 UPA was only good enough to sell competetiveness wrt Pakistan. Had China subjugated some indian land,They would have simply lied on maps like they did for kashmir till early 2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 4 hours ago, sandeep said: China is testing the waters. Call me alarmist, but I've been thinking about this for over a year now. China is in a place where its economic growth is stalling, and it may very well decide that a short war/conflict will serve well in terms of preventing the masses from getting too agitated. Nothing stops a discontented population's angst with its government as an "external enemy". Whether its the "south china sea" or the Indian borders - China is looking to start some low-level conflict and flex its muscles. Its more likely that it will do something in those islands, since none of the opponents are nuclear, or pose any significant challenge militarily. But if it calculates that the naval theater may pose risk of greater World and US involvement, they might try to do something on its western borders. And to the OP, as much as I can't stand Congress and its dynastic BS, to take this issue and look at it through a political lens is foolish. Indian government has been neglecting its military requirements in the north-east for decades, due to "austerity" measures. We are still a few years from being properly prepared on that front, in spite of the bumped up spending in the last few years. They will try to annex tawang, which is a sore point but will loose in silliguri sikkim Bhutan corridor, may gain in Ladhak. If they corodinate with pakistan things could get messy for them as other powers might involve themselves. But most probably it will be India vs pak and China. So India would have to be prepared to get boots on ground, it will be short and bloody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 12 hours ago, sarchasm said: Initially there were reports suggesting Chinese having intruded into Indian side of the LAC and it was attributed to the 'perception' problem between the two countries. It is only now that the full picture has emerged. The territory that is being eyed by China belongs to Bhutan and not India, although it's located at a place where India, China and Bhutan share the border. Two reasons why Indian army moved in and stopped the PLA supervised construction work - 1) Bhutan is sort of an Indian protectorate and 2) China's occupation of this territory would make the so-called chicken's neck vulnerable. The Chinese media has been very shrill about it with daily briefings by their foreign and defence ministries. This suggests to me that the Chinese are treating it as a sufficiently grave provocation. News is also in that thousands of troops have been mobilized by each sides. Given how finicky the Chinese are about 'loss of face' it would be interesting to see how this pans out. They do not have the heights there neither do they have roads to move armoured divisions ( which is what they want to build in Bhutanese land). They might open other theaters to 'teach India a lesson' meaning Tawang + Ladhak or even Uttaranchal. With Kashmir unrest , IA and CAPF will be spread thin. If IAF get involed then the bigger PLAF will come into picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, Vilander said: They will try to annex tawang, which is a sore point but will loose in silliguri sikkim Bhutan corridor, may gain in Ladhak. If they corodinate with pakistan things could get messy for them as other powers might involve themselves. But most probably it will be India vs pak and China. So India would have to be prepared to get boots on ground, it will be short and bloody. We are in super hypothetical territory here, but I would expect them to stict India's NE region - anything around Kashmir will just result in a massive response from India. They would want a quick conflict, contained to a specific area, if it is against India. I think it wouldn't be their first choice - more likely for them to do something in the spratly islands, probably against Vietnam. New Filipino Prez already has bent his knee, else they would have been the prime candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Vilander said: They do not have the heights there neither do they have roads to move armoured divisions ( which is what they want to build in Bhutanese land). They might open other theaters to 'teach India a lesson' meaning Tawang + Ladhak or even Uttaranchal. With Kashmir unrest , IA and CAPF will be spread thin. If IAF get involed then the bigger PLAF will come into picture. PLAAF has operational issues regarding India. their planes are virtually useless taking off from tibet (have to do it with minimal fuel load, due to loss of lift due to less oxygen, giving them very short range) and we have far bigger warning lead-time if they take off from Chengdu or Xinjiang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, sandeep said: We are in super hypothetical territory here, but I would expect them to stict India's NE region - anything around Kashmir will just result in a massive response from India. They would want a quick conflict, contained to a specific area, if it is against India. I think it wouldn't be their first choice - more likely for them to do something in the spratly islands, probably against Vietnam. New Filipino Prez already has bent his knee, else they would have been the prime candidate. Problem with South China Sea is it will be US vs China. In case Tawang it's Just India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, Vilander said: Problem with South China Sea is it will be US vs China. In case Tawang it's Just India. True. Here, they are testing how far India is ready to go in terms of the China-Bhutan dispute. Its actually a textbook move of the Chinese in recent years - they are changing the facts on the ground against weaker countries, and daring them to do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 article 370 will most likely be repealed after ramnath kovind is made president so you could see a limited war with pakistan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 http://www.indialivetoday.com/indo-china-border-dispute-indian-army-captures-3-km-of-chinese-land/171384.html Quote India Captures 3km of Chinese Land This was from a few days ago, then China threatened and said India should remember 1962. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-planned-intrusion-to-impress-us-during-modi-trump-meeting-chinese-media-on-sikkim-standoff/story-wuPo3MJGMdfWylSqFoowVM.html Quote India planned intrusion to impress US during Modi-Trump meeting: Chinese media on Sikkim standoff Quote The Indian and Chinese border troops are in a more than two-week-old standoff at Doklamlocated at the narrow but strategically important tri-junction of India, China and Bhutan, with the three countries barely separated by mountains and passes. Doklam, or Donglang, which is close to the Sikkim border on India’s northeast, is a disputed territory. While the area is in China, Bhutan has claims over it. “Apart from territorial dispute, India announced that it would initiate an anti-duping probe against high tenacity polyester yarn from China,” Liu wrote for the tabloid that often critiques India and normally not in a positive light. China has accused Indian troops of preventing it from building a road. New Delhi says Beijing’s move is a concern as it changes status quo with serious security implications for India. The Global Times write-up said India chalked out its moves ahead of Modi’s US visit to impress Tump and the US administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 You should have attended a Sanghi school like me where you would have learnt that lift has sweetphuckall to do with oxygen and everything to do with air density. Its a fact that none of the chinese fighters can take off from Tibet with full pay load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 On 2017-6-30 at 11:22 PM, mishra said: UPA was only good enough to sell competetiveness wrt Pakistan. Had China subjugated some indian land,They would have simply lied on maps like they did for kashmir till early 2000 Yes bro...it's quite evident from the pessimism that @sandeep etc. display, just a hangover from past.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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