randomGuy Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) http://m.timesofindia.com/auto/miscellaneous/switch-to-clean-vehicles-or-be-bulldozed-nitin-gadkari-to-automakers/articleshow/60409241.cms Edited September 7, 2017 by randomGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I'm liking this Gadkari dude. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Threatening to bulldoze seems a little extreme I think it would be better if they just put a tax/fine on automakers who continue to use unclean vehicles. That would give them some time to shift to electric engines, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Ind needs to transition to using more public transit, bicycles, e-bikes, etc in future. I don't know what the ratio of cars to population in Ind is but it would be on the lower side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, zen said: Ind needs to transition to using more public transit, bicycles, e-bikes, etc in future. I don't know what the ratio of cars to population in Ind is but it would be on the lower side https://community.data.gov.in/registered-motor-vehicles-per-1000-population-from-2001-to-2015/ Quote The number of registered motor vehicles per 1000 population was 167 in 2015. It increased by 13 points as compared to 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Tibarn said: https://community.data.gov.in/registered-motor-vehicles-per-1000-population-from-2001-to-2015/ Thanks. That is approx. 1 vehicle per 6 persons. And we devote most of our infrastructure planning to accommodate vehicles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Was reading about newer developments in battery technology... namely solid state battery (solid electrolytes such as glass instead of liquid electrolytes) which would result in safer, more energy dense, faster charging, longer life batteries on your EVs... exciting times ahead! It's a shame that our leading co. Maruti-suzuki is doing nothing worth mentioning here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainfade Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Where does the electricity come from? 60% from burning coal - so much for clean power. Until we get 100% from a combination of nuclear (70%) and renewable (30%), it's better to stick with petrol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Brainfade said: Where does the electricity come from? 60% from burning coal - so much for clean power. Until we get 100% from a combination of nuclear (70%) and renewable (30%), it's better to stick with petrol. 1. Solar has broken the price barrier. Latest solar tenders in India floated by various state governments are closing at 2.40/- per unit (kw-h) . Solar is the future. Coal will be largely replaced. 2. Even if all petrol/diesel vehicles being driven in the world today are replaced by electric ones, it would require just 15-20% more electricity generation than what the world is already producing today. And if today's power plants work at higher capacity utilisation levels, you wouldn't even need extra power plants. 3. Fossil fuel vehicles are inefficient, only ~25% energy generated can be used in driving, rest is released as heat etc. EVs don't have this limitation. dial_100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainfade Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, randomGuy said: 1. Solar has broken the price barrier. Latest solar tenders in India floated by various state governments are closing at 2.40/- per unit (kw-h) . Solar is the future. Coal will be largely replaced. 2. Even if all petrol/diesel vehicles being driven in the world today are replaced by electric ones, it would require just 15-20% more electricity generation than what the world is already producing today. And if today's power plants work at higher capacity utilisation levels, you wouldn't even need extra power plants. 3. Fossil fuel vehicles are inefficient, only ~25% energy generated can be used in driving, rest is released as heat etc. EVs don't have this limitation. So, you think it is feasible to ramp up from 7GW to 100 GW of solar in 5 years? Pipedream. Not including nuclear as part of a clean power package is a recipe for failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Tibarn said: Threatening to bulldoze seems a little extreme I think it would be better if they just put a tax/fine on automakers who continue to use unclean vehicles. That would give them some time to shift to electric engines, etc. His point is bulldoze their business model by changing the legislative landscape. And the car companies shouldn't beg for more time to rid of excess inventory at that point, inventory that they shouldn't be building right now in pursuit of 'easy' money. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Brainfade said: So, you think it is feasible to ramp up from 7GW to 100 GW of solar in 5 years? Pipedream. Not including nuclear as part of a clean power package is a recipe for failure. The cost has nosedived...if today, they have to build power plants, they wouldn't choose coal...Modi has plans for 175GW of renewables by 2022 of which 100gw is of solar capacity...it's going to require big investments...I am not certain about the pace...but the direction is certainly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Even with coal, its better to move to dirty coal rather than stick to dirty gasoline - coal at least we don't have import from countries that fund jihadis. Time is ripe for India to make a big push to switch over to Eletric powered vehicles and distribution systems. Tesla is just one example, this is the decade in which the next Exxon, Ford of the 21st century will be built. And if Indian companies start getting in the race at an early stage, at least they will have some kind of a chance. Already the Teslas, BYDs of the world have been working on the automobile end. There's plenty of scope for companies to come up with innovative charging systems, etc and the Indian market can provide a good platform for a lot of companies to innovate rapidly if they really put their energies and resources behind it. Instead of just being lazy and trying to milk maximum profits from 'old' gasoline engine cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 hours ago, randomGuy said: The cost has nosedived...if today, they have to build power plants, they wouldn't choose coal...Modi has plans for 175GW of renewables by 2022 of which 100gw is of solar capacity...it's going to require big investments...I am not certain about the pace...but the direction is certainly right. In that case, shouldnt they also stop those stupid generators that create so much smoke and pollution. Force people to either buy battery units for standby power or install some solar panels with battery backups. Government should seriously think about buying back the energy from household solar production. There are filthy rich people in india who could easily install 5-10KW systems. They could contribute towards our environmental commitment. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 What India needs is self autonomous driving vehicles than people driving cars. All people want to do in India is cut corners and move in to smallest available space which causes traffic jams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, dial_100 said: In that case, shouldnt they also stop those stupid generators that create so much smoke and pollution. Force people to either buy battery units for standby power or install some solar panels with battery backups. Government should seriously think about buying back the energy from household solar production. There are filthy rich people in india who could easily install 5-10KW systems. They could contribute towards our environmental commitment. What do you think? Issues with upfront investment and with finding empty spaces for installing solar panels in bigger cities. It can be done in smaller cities and villages. Costs for household standalone solar systems still have to come down....but even using grid power (almost all houses have already electricity connection) where the grid sends power generated in solar plants to the households is good enough imo. Edited September 8, 2017 by randomGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stuge Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I read this news yesterday ....This project is very big can only be done in phases . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Excellent in performance, but can't control his mouth soemtimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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