Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Shikhar Dhawan have been released from India's Test team .Vijay Shankar named Bhuvneshwar's replacement

[Forever Indian]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

he bowls 125-130 

125-130 on domestic speed guns so will be atleast 130-135 in international cricket IMO.

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

no he will play ahead of one of Ashwin or Jadeja, likely Ashiwn, 3 seamers, one seam alrounder and one spinner depending ont he pitch. you dont need 2 spinners if we get another pitch like Eden.

Ideally that shud happen but with this team mngmt........cant say anything

[G_B_]

look all i think we need from Shankar in the test matches is to 

 

(a) average above 35 with bat

 

(b) bowl 10-15 overs economically to take the load of the frontline.

 

Rahane Ashwin and Sir appear to be in a batting rut. So replacing say one of Ash and Sir with Shankar is not a bad idea at all. 

[Khota]

8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

he is batting alrounder. His bowling will be very handy on seaming tracks. He is just a backup to Pandya though i would have liked a rookie fast bowler not named Shardul to be selected.

I fully agree. My choice would be a pure fast bowler or a pure spinner. This all rounder experiment is risky.

[Khota]

3 hours ago, MCcricket said:

Shankar for me is captaincy material, grounded, smart, analytical, has batting skill n talent, gears, on batting alone I would have him in the team, his bowling is decent, not a filler ,can get us wkts, moves the ball, n gets bounce, I assume he will bowl 130 to 142 range eventually.

Stop it.There are plenty like him so dont single him out.

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Its how you look at things

He is a batting all rounder whose bowling is a bonus. As 5th bowler his job is to just bowl 10-15 overs and keep it tight. Unfortunately none of of our top order batsman bowl so an all rounder becomes really important . 

 

Overseas wkts will give some help to his avg bowling and most team will give indian team a grassy pitch here and there which will make any trundler lethal . 

 

Post pandya, shankar is the most deserving all rounder which other all rounder deserved a chance ahead of him

I agree with everything you say but my choice would be a pure pace bowler or a spinner. If he is being taken as a batsman then I would have Nair as my first choice. Not giving him playing time is injustice.

[Khota]

My problem is the selection process. Shankar was not on my radar screen and how he takes a spot away from so many deserving people is wrong. Part time bowling will not cut it in SA or anywhere else at that level. I am still not sold on Pandya either. This is a game of specialists not part timers.

[Forever Indian]

7 minutes ago, Khota said:

My problem is the selection process. Shankar was not on my radar screen and how he takes a spot away from so many deserving people is wrong. Part time bowling will not cut it in SA or anywhere else at that level. I am still not sold on Pandya either. This is a game of specialists not part timers.

Pandya case is different in that he is still to establish as a top 6 bat or a top 3 pacer in domestics or international cricket. He is being played purely on potential. Whereas Shankar is a 50 averaging batsman who is also a tallish swing bowler. The team has always said it is looking to play 5 bowlers, but the issue is that 5th bowler is always under bowled in tests, so better to have the 5th bowling option as a pure batsman who is also a handy bowler.

[speedheat]

17 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Vijay Shankar's batting is TREMENDOUS. i have seen him bat...i think he will replace kedar jadhav in ODI's soon as he is more steady as a batsman than hardik Pandya...i mean vijay has a better defence.

 

i have not seem him bowl much , just saw one over on tv which was not too Impressive, i think he was 125k to 130K but he was trying bouncers...

@vishalvirsingh Shankar is more technically sound than pandy and good enough to play as a batsmen alone, his bowling is plus, agree we can try him in Odis too

[Khota]

11 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Pandya case is different in that he is still to establish as a top 6 bat or a top 3 pacer in domestics or international cricket. He is being played purely on potential. Whereas Shankar is a 50 averaging batsman who is also a tallish swing bowler. The team has always said it is looking to play 5 bowlers, but the issue is that 5th bowler is always under bowled in tests, so better to have the 5th bowling option as a pure batsman who is also a handy bowler.

How has Shankar established himself? I dont get it. In list A matches I am not sure he took any wickets. If you cannot take wickets against A team you for sure are not going to take any against regular team. Another wasted selection.

[Pollack]

33 minutes ago, Khota said:

My problem is the selection process. Shankar was not on my radar screen and how he takes a spot away from so many deserving people is wrong. Part time bowling will not cut it in SA or anywhere else at that level. I am still not sold on Pandya either. This is a game of specialists not part timers.

Shankar is a specialist batsman who can bowl a bit. Potentially better than Nair. Has a great first class average too.

[Pollack]

9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

he is batting alrounder. His bowling will be very handy on seaming tracks. He is just a backup to Pandya though i would have liked a rookie fast bowler not named Shardul to be selected.

Seriously doubt. Lacks accuracy even when trundling.

[Khota]

6 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Shankar is a specialist batsman who can bowl a bit. Potentially better than Nair. Has a great first class average too.

Nothing shows that his batting is betterthan Nair.

[Forever Indian]

10 minutes ago, Khota said:

Nothing shows that his batting is betterthan Nair.

Just goes to show that you do not follow A tours. Nair averaged 9.5 and 34 in the last two A tours and consistently failed against the A team pacers. As he proved even in the Australia home series he is not a great player of quality pace, just more of a spin basher. By your own definition if he cant score in A tours, he definitely cant score in International tours and hence has been duly scrapped by team management who have more insight into players performance than us keyboard warriors.

 

Shankar is seen as a technically better batsman than Nair and being a handy swing bowler is given a chance.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

I agree with everything you say but my choice would be a pure pace bowler or a spinner. If he is being taken as a batsman then I would have Nair as my first choice. Not giving him playing time is injustice.

Even i wud take nair but over rohit 

Shankar is coming in as all rounder and we need that all rounder more then 6th batsman

[mishra]

10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Even i wud take nair but over rohit 

Shankar is coming in as all rounder and we need that all rounder more then 6th batsman

What is wrong with Pandya?

[Forever Indian]

12 minutes ago, mishra said:

What is wrong with Pandya?

Nothing wrong with Pandya, but always bad to put all eggs in one basket. We also saw what happened to Pandya's fitness when he was played across all three formats.

[mishra]

^ In that case Nair for Rohit Ji.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, mishra said:

What is wrong with Pandya?

nothing wrong with him. I have always said have both of them for overseas tour 

Play shankar on helpful pitches for bowler- were his avg bowling can become better due to pitches and his batting gives cushion to team

Play pandya on patta as his speed will extract something out of wkt and his batting wnt face much test of movement

 

If u ask me ill take both of them on every overseas tour 

[Khota]

10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Even i wud take nair but over rohit 

Shankar is coming in as all rounder and we need that all rounder more then 6th batsman

I would definitely take Nair but not over Rohit. Rohit is a very capable batsman when he applies himself.