Vijay Shankar (Batting Pacer Allrounder) - Performance Watch thread

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Kallis had picture perfect technique while coming up, Kallis was school boy Prodigy who was destined to great things from school level.You are comparing him to Pandya r u kidding me?

 

FYI I don't care about Pandya stats for 11 tests, Pandya can play 100 tests he won't become a top order batsmen who can command his place due to his batting.

 

Who is Shakib, we have much better versions in Ashwin or Jadeja.

Did i ???? all i said if someone like kallis took time then why wont pandya 

[putrevus]

26 minutes ago, zen said:

why does Pandya need to be a top order batsman? 

What will he be then?? a bits and pieces player.There is no such role as relief bowler  (as you have stated manytimes)plus guys who make odd runs here and there.Those players are called bits and pieces players.

 

If Pandya has to become a permanent fixture he either needs to command his place in top 6 or he needs to become top three bowler.

[putrevus]

24 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Did i ???? all i said if someone like kallis took time then why wont pandya 

Kallis had tools to succeed , it was just matter of time.Pandya does not have those tools to succeed.You will find out in coming years.

 

These two morons Kohli and Shastri in search of balance destroyed the balance.

[putrevus]

England is showing why having too many bits and pieces players lead teams to nowhere.

[zen]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What will he be then?? a bits and pieces player.There is no such role as relief bowler  (as you have stated manytimes)plus guys who make odd runs here and there.Those players are called bits and pieces players.

 

If Pandya has to become a permanent fixture he either needs to command his place in top 6 or he needs to become top three bowler.

Do you know what top (upper) order is? FYI, it is 1 to 3 positions. Pandya does not need to bat in 1-3 

 

As for Pandya, he is good enough to bat in the middle-lower order and as the 4th-5th bowler. And as has been mentioned, he will only improve 

Edited February 7, 2019 by zen

[maniac]

Just now, zen said:

Do you know what top (upper) order is? FYI, it is 1 to 3 position. Pandya does not need to bat in 1-3 

 

As for Pandya, he is good enough to bat in the lower order and as the 4th-5th bowler. And as has been mentioned, he will only improve 

Which Pandya? Hardik has a spot. Krunal looks super mediocre

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

England is showing why having too many bits and pieces players lead teams to nowhere.

their loss had nothing to do with bits and pieces players and they won with same players a home. No bits and pieces player played in 2nd test against WI.

[rkt.india]

52 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Kallis had picture perfect technique while coming up, Kallis was school boy Prodigy who was destined to great things from school level.You are comparing him to Pandya r u kidding me?

 

FYI I don't care about Pandya stats for 11 tests, Pandya can play 100 tests he won't become a top order batsmen who can command his place due to his batting.

 

Who is Shakib, we have much better versions in Ashwin or Jadeja.

where did you get that?  Only prodigy SA had was ABDV, not Kallis.  Kallis used to be more of a bowler initially who would bat in lower middle order but as his batting improved, he started bowling less and moved up the order.

[rkt.india]

47 minutes ago, flamy said:

All rounder

what roles an AR has and why is he called an AR?

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

Do you know what top (upper) order is? FYI, it is 1 to 3 positions. Pandya does not need to bat in 1-3 

 

As for Pandya, he is good enough to bat in the middle-lower order and as the 4th-5th bowler. And as has been mentioned, he will only improve 

We will see, Indians took first step towards suceess when they dropped Pandya for Oval test .Thank god this guy did not play in Australia , we would not have won there if he was playing there.

[Ankit_sharma03]

15 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Kallis had tools to succeed , it was just matter of time.Pandya does not have those tools to succeed.You will find out in coming years.

 

These two morons Kohli and Shastri in search of balance destroyed the balance.

So does pandya 

Lets see who finds out in coming yrs

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

England is showing why having too many bits and pieces players lead teams to nowhere.

Had they bring in all their specialist batsman they still wud have been torn apart by WI

[rkt.india]

19 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Kallis had tools to succeed , it was just matter of time.Pandya does not have those tools to succeed.You will find out in coming years.

 

These two morons Kohli and Shastri in search of balance destroyed the balance.

Here is the record of Kallis in his first 14 tests.  batting average 24.90, bowling average 38 with 13 wickets in 14 tests.  10 of those tests were played in SA, means at home.  Hardik Pandya after 11 tests batting average 31, bowling average 31, only 1-2 games played at home.  I am not saying he will become Kallis but he has shown good signs till now and is worth investing.

 

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
unfiltered	1995-2013	166	13289	224	55.37	45	292	6/54	32.65	5	200	0	22.71	Profile
filtered	1995-1998	14	548	101	24.90	1	13	3/29	38.30	0	9	0	-13.39

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/45789.html?class=1;spanmax1=26+Apr+1998;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

Edited February 7, 2019 by rkt.india

[zen]

12 minutes ago, putrevus said:

We will see, Indians took first step towards suceess when they dropped Pandya for Oval test .Thank god this guy did not play in Australia , we would not have won there if he was playing there.

Again wrong facts .... India achieved its only success in the series with Pandya, who won India a test .... Oval test was one of the biggest losses esp. considering that Ind had already played 4 tests in the series 

 

If this is your idea of success, God bless you .... And please don't make things up 

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Kallis had picture perfect technique while coming up, Kallis was school boy Prodigy who was destined to great things from school level.You are comparing him to Pandya r u kidding me?

 

FYI I don't care about Pandya stats for 11 tests, Pandya can play 100 tests he won't become a top order batsmen who can command his place due to his batting.

 

Who is Shakib, we have much better versions in Ashwin or Jadeja.

Pandya has started getting injured. Also he is being dropped from test playing 11. Doubt he will play more than 40  tests due to both injuries as well as non selection in some matches /  series. 

 

Playing technically correct shots like specialist batsman do is tough ask from Pandya. Let him score runs his way be cause he isn't a specialist bat.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Pandya has started getting injured. Also he is being dropped from test playing 11. Doubt he will play more than 40  tests due to both injuries as well as non selection in some matches /  series. 

Just got injured in Asia cup which cud happen to anyone. He has been rested in between to manage his work load 

 

[Straight Drive]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Just got injured in Asia cup which cud happen to anyone. He has been rested in between to manage his work load 

 

I think he was injured twice. Injuries can happen to anyone and they are happening to Pandya too. Which is why we have to consider that he will miss tests or test series due to injuries. 

 

He was dropped in 3rd and 4th test in Australia. He was certainly in the squad. 

[zen]

6 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

He was dropped in 3rd and 4th test in Australia. He was certainly in the squad. 

He wasn't dropped as he did not feature in the original squad .... probably not played because he did not play much cricket (and 5 days cricket can be grilling if you are just returning from injury) .... but he should have been played as he did well in Ranji 

[Ankit_sharma03]

17 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

I think he was injured twice. Injuries can happen to anyone and they are happening to Pandya too. Which is why we have to consider that he will miss tests or test series due to injuries. 

Most test he ll miss out due to team combination n condition , like in India- kuldeep and even bumrah has become very tempting options plus soon shankar will be a threat 

17 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

 

He was dropped in 3rd and 4th test in Australia. He was certainly in the squad. 

dropped or not picked due to lack of match practice as told by them we dont knw 

[Straight Drive]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

He wasn't dropped as he did not feature in the original squad .... probably not played because he did not play much cricket (and 5 days cricket can be grilling if you are just returning from injury) .... but he should have been played as he did well in Ranji 

He was asked to prove fitness and he proved fitness as well as was excellent both with bat and ball as you also have mentioned. That is why he got picked in squad, because he passed the match fitness in 4 dayer. 

 

Kohli should have let him play two more Ranji matches having not selected him. Other teams too let their dropped players play FC.  There is a scope for improvement in this aspect.  But then perhaps Kohli himself was not sure whether he would drop Panda for 4th test as well.