chapetmarunga Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homi_J._Bhabha Many possible theories have been advanced for the air crash, including a conspiracy theory in which the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is involved in order to paralyze India's nuclear program.[15] When an Indian diplomatic bag containing newspapers, calendars and a personal letter was recovered near the crash site in 2012, it was a "Type C" diplomatic bag containing no important documents.[16][17] Gregory Douglas, a journalist who taped his interviews with former CIA operative, Robert Crowley, over a period of 4 years, recorded their telephonic conversations and later published their transcribes in a book titled Conversations with the Crow. Crowley claimed that CIA was responsible for eliminating Dr. Homi Bhabha, Indian nuclear scientist whose plane crashed into Alps, when he was going to attend a Vienna conference and also eliminating Lal Bahadur Shastri, who died at Tashkent summit in 1966. Crowley said that a bomb in the cargo section of the plane went off in mid-air, bringing down the commercial Boeing 707 airliner in Alps with little evidence left to be retrieved. Crowley claimed that U.S. was "wary" of Indian nuclear progress and the defeat of their ally Pakistan, in 1965 war. U.S. was worried that India could well "dominate" the Indian Subcontinent along with Russian think-tanks, if India develops nuclear capabilities, thus bringing "instability" to the region, as seen by Western observers through a Cold War lens
chapetmarunga Posted December 14, 2017 Author Posted December 14, 2017 When Shastri went to the USSR for the Tashkent talks, he wanted a promise from Ayub Khan that Pakistan would never use force in the future. But the talks did not proceed and followed Shastri's death on the next day.[31] The Indian Government released no information about his death, and the media then was kept silent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lal_Bahadur_Shastri#Death
chapetmarunga Posted December 14, 2017 Author Posted December 14, 2017 Interesting CIA also thought Kamaraj who they thought would succeed Shastri as the PM would adopt a softer stance on Pak. http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/CIA-thought-Kamaraj-would-succeed-Shastri/article17293235.ece
chapetmarunga Posted December 14, 2017 Author Posted December 14, 2017 This is the CIA agent who gave the interview https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Crowley_(CIA) Robert Trumbull Crowley (July 13, 1924 – October 8, 2000) was an officer in the Central Intelligence Agency since 1947, achieving the rank of assistant deputy director for operations, second in command of the CIA's Directorate of Operations, which was in charge of covert operations
zen Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) Conspiracy theories are plenty. Would not make sense to blow up a whole plane in Europe to kill a nuclear scientist And what was Shastri thinking if he expected Pak to keep its promise on not using force against Ind Anyways, whatever it is, it is water under the bridge .... Though good for time pass reading Edited December 14, 2017 by zen Sgattick10, sandeep and mishra 3
Gollum Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 These conspiracy theories may be true or untrue (entertaining nonetheless) but I don't like our tilt towards US and away from Russia in recent years. Modi has taken his USA ass licking to another level, can't trust those Yanks. Sgattick10 and MechEng 2
fineleg Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 ^ Can't trust russians either anymore. cowboysfan 1
chapetmarunga Posted December 14, 2017 Author Posted December 14, 2017 7 hours ago, zen said: Conspiracy theories are plenty. Would not make sense to blow up a whole plane in Europe to kill a nuclear scientist And what was Shastri thinking if he expected Pak to keep its promise on not using force against Ind Anyways, whatever it is, it is water under the bridge .... Though good for time pass reading Bhabha wasnt an ordinary scientist his discoveries in nuclear physics were well known & was the father of Indian nuclear programme. They took steps to make it seem like an accident in his case or death by natural cause in case of Shastri. In that period Lyndon johnson was the US president who basically lied to escalate Vietnam war which resulted in deaths of hundreds of people. So its not like they cared about people dying. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/02/vietnam-presidents-lie-to-wage-war-iraq As far as CIA is concerned they left no stone unturned during the cold war. They dispatched leaders they thought unfavourable, started coups, armed rebels, etc numerous times. How can it be forgotten when the CIA continues to follow the same tactics ? Most recent known example is when they tried to overthrow Assad by arming Al Queda affiliates.
zen Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, chapetmarunga said: Bhabha wasnt an ordinary scientist his discoveries in nuclear physics were well known & was the father of Indian nuclear programme. They took steps to make it seem like an accident in his case or death by natural cause in case of Shastri. In that period Lyndon johnson was the US president who basically lied to escalate Vietnam war which resulted in deaths of hundreds of people. So its not like they cared about people dying. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/02/vietnam-presidents-lie-to-wage-war-iraq As far as CIA is concerned they left no stone unturned during the cold war. They dispatched leaders they thought unfavourable, started coups, armed rebels, etc numerous times. How can it be forgotten when the CIA continues to follow the same tactics ? Most recent known example is when they tried to overthrow Assad by arming Al Queda affiliates. AI Flight 101 is said to have crashed due to pilot error iirc
chapetmarunga Posted December 15, 2017 Author Posted December 15, 2017 30 minutes ago, zen said: AI Flight 101 is said to have crashed due to pilot error iirc Source for your claim ? https://m.indiatimes.com/news/india/cia-hand-in-1966-air-india-crash-that-killed-homi-bhabha-father-of-india-s-nuclear-program-326857.html
zen Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, chapetmarunga said: Source for your claim ? https://m.indiatimes.com/news/india/cia-hand-in-1966-air-india-crash-that-killed-homi-bhabha-father-of-india-s-nuclear-program-326857.html Simple google search yielded this https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19660124-0 Btw, the things you are posting are phrased as “was CIA responsible .... question mark”
FischerTal Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 5 hours ago, Gollum said: These conspiracy theories may be true or untrue (entertaining nonetheless) but I don't like our tilt towards US and away from Russia in recent years. Modi has taken his USA ass licking to another level, can't trust those Yanks. the idea is to have a balanced approach while growing strong internally. easier said than done, but if you think Russians are saints, you couldn't be farther from the truth. Gollum 1
chapetmarunga Posted December 15, 2017 Author Posted December 15, 2017 51 minutes ago, zen said: Simple google search yielded this https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19660124-0 Btw, the things you are posting are phrased as “was CIA responsible .... question mark” and your link says probable hypothesis.... Of course they would try to potray it as an accident
surajmal Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 Who benefited from these 2 assassinations? or Bose or Gandhi or dozen other key political deaths over the years?
zen Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 30 minutes ago, chapetmarunga said: and your link says probable hypothesis.... Of course they would try to potray it as an accident Most likely scenario based on facts .... but you are free to believe what you prefer
chapetmarunga Posted December 15, 2017 Author Posted December 15, 2017 To those saying it doesnt matter now, may I remind you that USA still considers Pak as an important geo political ally & changed it's opinion on LeT d/t which Pak felt confident to release Hafeez Saeed.
Gollum Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 4 hours ago, FischerTal said: the idea is to have a balanced approach while growing strong internally. easier said than done, but if you think Russians are saints, you couldn't be farther from the truth. But Russia has always been good to us and they don't call themselves saints either. The West are hypocrites who do all the nonsense but act like saints.
FischerTal Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Gollum said: But Russia has always been good to us and they don't call themselves saints either. The West are hypocrites who do all the nonsense but act like saints. Russia have milked India for a long time because of no other major defense partners for the latter. India has now started diversifying in that regard, much to the discontent of Russia. this was started back in UPA 1 and gained momentum further on. Now Russians realize they cannot take us for granted. The West are looking after their own interests, just as you would expect anybody to do. India is now acting as per its own interest, which is to act according to the situation. Even with the West, under this government, India again refused to send troops to Afghanistan and has so far rejected the F-16.
Gollum Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 39 minutes ago, FischerTal said: Russia have milked India for a long time because of no other major defense partners for the latter. India has now started diversifying in that regard, much to the discontent of Russia. this was started back in UPA 1 and gained momentum further on. Now Russians realize they cannot take us for granted. The West are looking after their own interests, just as you would expect anybody to do. India is now acting as per its own interest, which is to act according to the situation. Even with the West, under this government, India again refused to send troops to Afghanistan and has so far rejected the F-16. I have a soft corner for Russia because of Brezhnev without whose support we were going to get destroyed by the U.S 7th fleet in 1971. Hate America more than any other country for the harm they have done to us till date. Nice username btw.
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