Virat Kohli's best ODI inning in while chasing in ICC tournaments

[Jimmy Cliff]

2 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

2 merely good knocks and good one ..hes played how many WC games ?  

Check Cricinfo and educate yourself.

[jusarrived]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Check Cricinfo and educate yourself.

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if some of you are so sensitive , then stop bring him up in every thread 

[Jimmy Cliff]

2 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

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if some of you are so sensitive , then stop bring him up in every thread 

Tch tch...as sneaky and disingenuous as ever .

[SUMO]

except WC semi and CT final...he hasn't failed to be fair.
In most of the other he is either not out or have small but significant contribution.

[jusarrived]

28 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Tch tch...as sneaky and disingenuous as ever .

I will be "honest" here , had to look up for meaning of that word :P

[bowl_out]

2 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

90 vs Australia in the 1996 WC.

65 vs SL in the 1996 WC SF

53 vs Australia in the 2011 WC QF.

 

Although the last 2  are "merely" good/very good knocks.

90 vs Australia was among his best WC knocks.. Complete disdain for Mcgrath, Warne and Fleming

I'd rate it as high as his 98 against Pak.. 

Unfortunately, ended up on the losing side.

 

Edited December 19, 2017 by bowl_out

[sarcastic]

12 minutes ago, SUMO said:

except WC semi and CT final...he hasn't failed to be fair.
In most of the other he is either not out or have small but significant contribution.

+ match against Pakistan in 2009 and match against WI in 2013.  

 

And to be fair, except for that match vs WI in 2009, he has not played any true match winning knock too. He has only played supporting role in other good contributions he made. Not to demean them, but he has not really lighted up anything so far to be called the best chaser ever from team India when it really mattered. 

[Gollum]

1 hour ago, jusarrived said:

The definition of big stage seems to change when talking about Tendulkar . Coco cola or a Compaq cup , wouldnt classify them as big stage . They are just todays bi-laterals . 

 

The match against Pak in Centurion wasn't big stage enough for you? Or the 96 SF? Or the 2011 QF?

[Jimmy Cliff]

2 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

90 vs Australia was among his best WC knocks.. Complete disdain for Mcgrath, Warne and Fleming

I'd rate it as high as his 98 against Pak.. 

Unfortunately, ended up on the losing side.

 

It was better than the 98 against Pak in the 2003 WC AFAIC. Warne and Fleming bowled superbly in that game. McGrath started off with 3 maidens but was hammered later on. Really good game.

[jusarrived]

17 minutes ago, Gollum said:

The match against Pak in Centurion wasn't big stage enough for you? Or the 96 SF? Or the 2011 QF?

you said memorable ? 

Centurion knock was one of his best , infact one of my fav knocks in ODI's - Agree on this . 

96 SF we lost .Memorable for wrong reasons . 

2011 QF , arguably the 3rd/4th best knock in the Indian innings ? No one remembers his innings . 

 

[Gollum]

12 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

you said memorable ? 

Centurion knock was one of his best , infact one of my fav knocks in ODI's - Agree on this . 

96 SF we lost .Memorable for wrong reasons . 

2011 QF , arguably the 3rd/4th best knock in the Indian innings ? No one remembers his innings . 

 

Hiding behind technicalities? OK then I rephrase it to 'high quality' in stead of 'memorable'.

 

If his 2011 QF knock was 3rd best, so was Kohli's WC F knock. But I won't downplay either of those 2 knocks simply because of the context of those matches. 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

It was better than the 98 against Pak in the 2003 WC AFAIC. Warne and Fleming bowled superbly in that game. McGrath started off with 3 maidens but was hammered later on. Really good game.

that was a fine game. people underestimate likes of fleming and even shane lee, who were pretty effective ODI bowlers.

[Jimmy Cliff]

15 minutes ago, Vijy said:

that was a fine game. people underestimate likes of fleming and even shane lee, who were pretty effective ODI bowlers.

Shane Lee was pretty average but Fleming was quality. Averaged near 25 in both formats. Was superb in the WCs in 96/99. What was great in that game is that Indian lower middle order had a real go at the target even when Tendulkar got out. One of the few times I didn't feel bad after a defeat.

[jusarrived]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Hiding behind technicalities? OK then I rephrase it to 'high quality' in stead of 'memorable'.

 

If his 2011 QF knock was 3rd best, so was Kohli's WC F knock. But I won't downplay either of those 2 knocks simply because of the context of those matches. 

6 WC cups  ..3 quality knocks . its reasonable to expect more from a batsmen whos one of the legends of the game .

 

Virats knock was far from memorable but it does get a lot of weightage cos it helped us win the World Cup final  , I am sure Tendulakr would agree how difficult it is to score runs in a WC final ;)

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Shane Lee was pretty average but Fleming was quality. Averaged near 25 in both formats. Was superb in the WCs in 96/99. What was great in that game is that Indian lower middle order had a real go at the target even when Tendulkar got out. One of the few times I didn't feel bad after a defeat.

lee was not that average when seen in the context of the 90s where odi dibbly-dobblers excelled by taking pace off the ball and using subtle variations. likes of larsen, ealham, etc. if you look at shane lee, he averaged almost the same as fleming and had similar SR and ER too. of course, fleming was a very good test bowler which shane lee clearly wasn't.

[Jimmy Cliff]

5 minutes ago, Vijy said:

lee was not that average when seen in the context of the 90s where odi dibbly-dobblers excelled by taking pace off the ball and using subtle variations. likes of larsen, ealham, etc. if you look at shane lee, he averaged almost the same as fleming and had similar SR and ER too. of course, fleming was a very good test bowler which shane lee clearly wasn't.

Yeah just noticed his ODI record is actually damn good for a 4th/5th choice bowler. I was just going by how unthreatening he looked as a bowler.

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Yeah just noticed his ODI record is actually damn good for a 4th/5th choice bowler. I was just going by how unthreatening he looked as a bowler.

he was definitely very unthreatening to look at. (i) the kind of pitches, innovation and shot-making abilities and bats were different back then, (ii) he had the knack of optimally uising his abilities, (iii) he made use of the pressure applied by frontline bowlers and was bowled in the correct part of the innings.

 

all in all, he was a very 90s bowler along with larsen, ealham, etc

[Jimmy Cliff]

Larsen was the probably the best of all these bowlers (stats be damned). Used to bowl a really nagging length which made it hard for the batsman to drive or cut/pull. 

[Vijy]

12 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Larsen was the probably the best of all these bowlers (stats be damned). Used to bowl a really nagging length which made it hard for the batsman to drive or cut/pull. 

yes, larsen was the most consistent of this trio. ealham and shane lee were slightly more adept at taking wkts although in lee's case he milked the benefits of being in a strong attack. an interesting fact is that both larsen and ealham had respectable/good test records in their limited sample size. i think it shows that horses-for-courses selection intests in the 90s was a pretty effective strategy.

 

chris pringle, IMO, was one of the best examples in this category. would be classified as trundler and prob. smashed in this era but a combination of pitches, bats, rules, 90s batting styles and his abilities all combined to make him a highly effective bowler.

Edited December 20, 2017 by Vijy