Khaleel Ahmed

[Suhaan]

9 hours ago, putrevus said:

He is not express by any means, he maybe lively on his best day.But he does not have any other skills like swing.Akram was fast but what made him great was his swing.Unless this guy learns how to swing the ball , I don't think he will last long in international cricket.

 

 

 

He "is" not express as he is not bowling at those speeds(140-145 consistently)atleast ,simple

To say He wasn't ever is plain ignorance,

Go watch his SMA trophy early 2018  videos,he bowled his entire 4 over spell in excess of 145 and touched 148 ks ,no one here is claiming anything false here,

He continued bowling at genuine pace till Asia cup 2018 Hongkong match,post Hongkong match he regressed at an alarming rate

He has transformed himself into a trundler trying too many variations and seems content with it

He can crank up those speeds as he does it seldomly,showing he has  it in him to improve but its all on him

Edited November 12, 2019 by Suhaan

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Turning_track said:

Why his speed has declined? Injury troubles? He was bowling at good speeds during 2018 Asia Cup, since then I have only watched him work excessively on those cutters & slower ones. 

He was trying to become Bhuvi. He bowled good pace last game.

[tweaker]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/looks-a-misfit-at-this-level-former-india-opener-questions-player-s-position-in-t20-side/story-m1ZmLIzQ4m3XDzQeWjsFJK.html

 

Khaleel Ahmed was fast-tracked into the Indian side as the management wanted to have a left-arm bowler in their stocks. However, the young seamer has not looked impressive despite getting enough chances at this level and continues to leak runs in crucial phases of the match. Former Indian opener Kris Srikkanth believes that the left-armer needs to learn fast at this level as he looks a misfit at this level.

 

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, putrevus said:

He is not express by any means, he maybe lively on his best day.But he does not have any other skills like swing.Akram was fast but what made him great was his swing.Unless this guy learns how to swing the ball , I don't think he will last long in international cricket.

 

 

 

He is as fast as Starc and Johnson were at the same age. Don't think Akram was faster than him. Akram was a different type of bowler and also swing depends on conditions. It's not a magic that you can do anywhere. Here is the video where you can see he does swing the ball.

 

https://www.hotstar.com/in/sports/cricket/west-indies-in-india-2018/india-vs-west-indies-m188620/match-clips/khaleels-313-leaves-wi-in-tatters/2001620516

[adi B]

We have a very low benchmark in labelling someone as "Talented".

Khaleel type of bowlers are easy to find in every domestic circuit, what can make him different is using his brains ! Coz his body is not built to sustain speeds of 140+ regularly ,his body will break down easily,hence he has to bowl within himself. 

 

He needs to bulk up a bit and has to better his wrist position when bowling the inswinger ,he has to learn that quickly ,its a weapon to have as lefty bowler .His slower ones are also easy to detect ,needs to be deceptive although he does have control over his slower one (in terms of line and length).

[rkt.india]

20 minutes ago, adi B said:

We have a very low benchmark in labelling someone as "Talented".

Khaleel type of bowlers are easy to find in every domestic circuit, what can make him different is using his brains ! Coz his body is not built to sustain speeds of 140+ regularly ,his body will break down easily,hence he has to bowl within himself. 

 

He needs to bulk up a bit and has to better his wrist position when bowling the inswinger ,he has to learn that quickly ,its a weapon to have as lefty bowler .His slower ones are also easy to detect ,needs to be deceptive although he does have control over his slower one (in terms of line and length).

No, Khaleel type bowlers aren't easy to find in any domestic circuit. Bowlers who can bowl 140 plus is still a commodity not in abundance. 

[putrevus]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

He is as fast as Starc and Johnson were at the same age. Don't think Akram was faster than him. Akram was a different type of bowler and also swing depends on conditions. It's not a magic that you can do anywhere. Here is the video where you can see he does swing the ball.

 

https://www.hotstar.com/in/sports/cricket/west-indies-in-india-2018/india-vs-west-indies-m188620/match-clips/khaleels-313-leaves-wi-in-tatters/2001620516

Starc is a  freak at 6'6" and can bowl 150 k and above consistently.But he too was dropped too as he did not have anything else to offer.MJ was also a freak athlete who could run in all day and bowl with same intensity. He too was one dimisional like Starc.

 

Khaleel is neither, I have not seen one good thing about him in all matches.MJ did not bowl lolilops at 120K either. His natural length seems to be short of good length which is a big no no for a young bowler.

 

He is 21 not 35 so if they invest on him he has to play FC to improve his skills. Why is he not playing FC.

 

 

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

No, Khaleel type bowlers aren't easy to find in any domestic circuit. Bowlers who can bowl 140 plus is still a commodity not in abundance. 

Bowling one or two deliveries at 140 plus does not make anyone 140 plus bowler.

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, adi B said:

We have a very low benchmark in labelling someone as "Talented".

Khaleel type of bowlers are easy to find in every domestic circuit, what can make him different is using his brains ! Coz his body is not built to sustain speeds of 140+ regularly ,his body will break down easily,hence he has to bowl within himself. 

 

He needs to bulk up a bit and has to better his wrist position when bowling the inswinger ,he has to learn that quickly ,its a weapon to have as lefty bowler .His slower ones are also easy to detect ,needs to be deceptive although he does have control over his slower one (in terms of line and length).

Everyone seems to get talented label around here, if this guy is talented then what would actual talent look like then.I would take slow Irfan Pathan over this guy any day.

Edited November 12, 2019 by putrevus

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, adi B said:

We have a very low benchmark in labelling someone as "Talented".Khaleel type of bowlers are easy to find in every domestic circuit,

 

Khaleel's talent lies in his ability to extract life and bounce out of average pitches. And this is not easy to find in any country.

 

It is sad that he does not seem to be interested in using this talent with any kind of regularity.  More than half the time, he seems to be happy with just placing the ball there (  instead of hitting the deck hard )   or trying too many slower balls.

 

 

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Khaleel's talent lies in his ability to extract life and bounce out of average pitches. And this is not easy to find in any country.

 

It is sad that he does not seem to be interested in using this talent with any kind of regularity.  More than half the time, he seems to be happy with just placing the ball there (  instead of hitting the deck hard )   or trying too many slower balls.

 

 

I don't think that is special skill as he is not tall enough to extract any menacing bounce nor fast enough to scare batsmen with his pace.He might look good for under 19s with those skills.Unless he devlops swing that too ability to bring the ball back into right handers he would not last long.

[express bowling]

25 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I don't think that is special skill as he is not tall enough to extract any menacing bounce

 

He is 6'2" and that is tall enough.

 

But height is not the only factor for this purpose. A 5'9" Shami gets surprising bounce and extracts life out of even slowish pitches. A 6'5" Ishant does not.

 

The key thing here is getting bounce which is steep for the height of the bowler ... and not the absolute bounce. This is what surprises batsmen.

 

 

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nor fast enough to scare batsmen with his pace.

 

When he bowls at full pace  ( 137 k to 145 k )  then he is quick for his age  (  which is just 21 ).

 

His problem is that he does not want to bowl at his full pace with any kind of regularity.

 

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He might look good for under 19s with those skills.Unless he devlops swing that too ability to bring the ball back into right handers he would not last long.

 

Not every good pacer is a swing bowler. 

 

Not every pacer should try to be a swing bowler. Around half the low average pacers have been more of seam bowlers than swing bowlers.

 

But incidentally, Khaleel can swing the ball when conditions are conducive to swing bowling.  

 

Developing added skills will come with time.  No need to rush.

 

What Khaleel needs is a full season of FC.

Edited November 12, 2019 by express bowling

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

He is 6'2" and that is tall enough.

 

But height is not the only factor for this purpose. A 5'9" Shami gets surprising bounce and extracts life out of even slowish pitches. A 6'5" Ishant does not.

 

The key thing here is getting bounce which is steep for the height of the bowler ... and not the absolute bounce. This is what surprises batsmen.

 

 

 

When he bowls at full pace  ( 137 k to 145 k )  then he is quick for his age  (  which is just 21 ).

 

His problem is that he does not want to bowl at his full pace with any kind of regularity.

 

 

Not every good pacer is a swing bowler. 

 

Not every pacer should try to be a swing bowler. Around half the low average pacers have been more of seam bowlers than swing bowlers.

 

But incidentally, Khaleel can swing the ball when conditions are conducive to swing bowling.  

 

Developing added skills will come with time.  No need to rush.

 

What Khaleel needs is a full season of FC.

Why is he not playing FC then to improve his skills.Was he injured last season, he has played just three FC matches.

 

Shami extracting bounce has an effect becuase he has other skills and he is an expert with reverse swing. Bowling one odd ball at 140 plus is not classfied as bowling fast.

 

You need to have seam movement or swing to be very successful fast bowler.Bowling Short of good length which this guy seems to do for most of his deliveries will get swing and miss if he is 10 k faster with his fast ball and then use his change of pace.I still don't rate him high at all , he has been fast tracked for one reason , he is a leftie.

[express bowling]

23 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Why is he not playing FC then to improve his skills.Was he injured last season, he has played just three FC matches.

 

Because he was part of our LOI squad during the 2018-19 Ranji season.

 

Should have been released for that Ranji season.

 

Should be released for the 2019-20 Ranji season or he will never learn to sustain pace and bowl lots of overs.

 

23 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Shami extracting bounce has an effect becuase he has other skills and he is an expert with reverse swing. You need to have seam movement or swing to be very successful fast bowler.

 

Khaleel can seam the ball too. But his problem is that he bowls either too many slower balls or too many long hops ... and this ability is not displayed that much.

 

It is more a wrong choice of deliveries than a lack of ability to bowl them.

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Bowling one odd ball at 140 plus is not classfied as bowling fast.

 

Khaleel can bowl 3 to 4 balls per over at 140 k to 145 k.  Like he did in the 3rd T20I.

 

But, in most matches,  he chooses to go for useless variations instead 
 

 

23 minutes ago, putrevus said:

.I still don't rate him high at all ,

 

Because you are seeing a raw bowler of 21, with hardly any FC experience.

 

If he learns to sustain pace, improves his accuracy and cuts down on his useless variations then a 6'2" pacer bowling 135 k to 145 k, with bounce and zip off the deck and some seam movement  ... will be a handful.

 

23 minutes ago, putrevus said:

he has been fast tracked for one reason , he is a leftie.

 

Strongly agree.  He needs to play FC first.

[putrevus]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Because he was part of our LOI squad during the 2018-19 Ranji season.

 

Should have been released for that Ranji season.

 

Should be released for the 2019-20 Ranji season or he will never learn to sustain pace and bowl lots of overs.

 

 

Khaleel can seam the ball too. But his problem is that he bowls either too many slower balls or too many long hops ... and this ability is not displayed that much.

 

It is more a wrong choice of deliveries than a lack of ability to bowl them.

 

 

 

 

Khaleel can bowl 3 to 4 balls per over at 140 k to 145 k.  Like he did in the 3rd T20I.

 

But, in most matches,  he chooses to go for useless variations instead 
 

 

 

Because you are seeing a raw bowler of 21, with hardly any FC experience.

 

If he learns to sustain pace, improves his accuracy and cuts down on his useless variations then a 6'2" pacer bowling 135 k to 145 k, with bounce and zip off the deck and some seam movement  ... will be a handful.

 

 

Strongly agree.  He needs to play FC first.

Sreesanth,  Pathan and Ishant all were younger than this guy when they made their debuts. How do you rate their skills then vs this guy.

 

I would not want any young guy to just play t20s and odis.They will never learn the art of setting up a batsman and develop stamina to bowl 20 overs in a day.

[sandsaims]

The problem with Khaleel is , he is trying to be Zaheer Khan.

[Vk1]

2 hours ago, sandsaims said:

The problem with Khaleel is , he is trying to be Zaheer Khan.

Which zaheer..young or old ?

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Vk1 said:

Which zaheer..young or old ?

 

Pace of old Zaheer while he is still stuck at the skill level and experience of a very young Zaheer.

 

Although he can bowl quicker than young Zaheer ... half the time he prefers not to,

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

Sreesanth,  Pathan and Ishant all were younger than this guy when they made their debuts. How do you rate their skills then vs this guy.

 

I would not want any young guy to just play t20s and odis.They will never learn the art of setting up a batsman and develop stamina to bowl 20 overs in a day.

Sreesanth debuted at 23, Ishant 19, Khaleel 20. Pathan 19. Pathan was a swing bowler, Khaleel is a fast bowler who has been trying become swing bowler lately. Ishant didn't have much skills. Sreesanth was best of them who could bowl great outswing at pace but was temperamental and lacked fitness.

[rkt.india]

49 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Pace of old Zaheer while he is still stuck at the skill level and experience of a very young Zaheer.

 

Although he can bowl quicker than young Zaheer ... half the time he prefers not to,

Young Zaheer was one of the best fast bowlers to debut for India on ODIs. In test, he fared very average. So did Khaleel too started very promising but suddenly tried to become BK and Zaheer combined.