sandeep Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 How can these guys criticize Pandya's batting in ODIs? The guy has played multiple knocks with maturity and power-hitting. His numbers as an ODI bat are good enough to play as #6 bat. His bowling is a bonus and a work in progress. And he's even more valuable to the team because of the gaping power deficit in our middle-order. Lot of confirmation bias visible in this thread, especially from the usual suspects who are out to criticize him as an ODI bat, based on a couple of dismissals in test cricket in low scoring conditions. Ankit_sharma03, philcric and AuxiliA 3 Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Pathan as an allrounder was so much better than this guy, he at least had some bowling skills and also was very competent with bat. The problem is if this guy cannot be trusted to bowl 10 overs in an odi , how the heck he will take any wickets in tests on a consistent basis.He is not just good enough with bat to command a place as a batsmen who can bat in top six. Yesterday as soon as he came the pressure was released by his half trackers.Luckily spin twins came to his rescue. It won't happen every day.These days teams have to have five bowlers who can finish their quota and it is imperative for India as none of their batsmen can bowl.If this guy was any good with bat they could easily play Shreyas Iyer instead of Jadhav who has become a liability on the field. Binny is looking better bowler than this guy.I don't see what value is this guy bringing to the team. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, putrevus said: Pathan as an allrounder was so much better than this guy, he at least had some bowling skills and also was very competent with bat. The problem is if this guy cannot be trusted to bowl 10 overs in an odi , how the heck he will take any wickets in tests on a consistent basis.He is not just good enough with bat to command a place as a batsmen who can bat in top six. Yesterday as soon as he came the pressure was released by his half trackers.Luckily spin twins came to his rescue. It won't happen every day.These days teams have to have five bowlers who can finish their quota and it is imperative for India as none of their batsmen can bowl.If this guy was any good with bat they could easily play Shreyas Iyer instead of Jadhav who has become a liability on the field. Binny is looking better bowler than this guy.I don't see what value is this guy bringing to the team. He is like andhon main kanna raaja. We are stuck with him because lack of better options. So i am fine if he gets first go. having said that, he is not yet a developed all rounder. More of a ODI batsman who has decent batting average and SR only if we consider that he bowls 5- 6 overs in ODI. Lot of improvement is required to be an all rounder. Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Straight Drive said: He is like andhon main kanna raaja. We are stuck with him because lack of better options. So i am fine if he gets first go. having said that, he is not yet a developed all rounder. More of a ODI batsman who has decent batting average and SR only if we consider that he bowls 5- 6 overs in ODI. Lot of improvement is required to be an all rounder. the problem is he is not even sixth bowling option and he is occupying place based on hope that some day he will become a competent allrounder. I am not sold on his batting yet, unless he is sure walkin either as a batsmen or bowler he makes the team that much weaker. While a good all rounder can make a team stronger but on the same hand bits and pieces player like Pandya can make team so much weaker.1980s Indian team is the answer on how bits and pieces players will never work in test cricket. No need to get stuck on him, he will play all his matches in this series and IPL. If he does not show any improvement after that then they need to make a call on him. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, putrevus said: the problem is he is not even sixth bowling option and he is occupying place based on hope that some day he will become a competent allrounder. I am not sold on his batting yet, unless he is sure walkin either as a batsmen or bowler he makes the team that much weaker. While a good all rounder can make a team stronger but on the same hand bits and pieces player like Pandya can make team so much weaker.1980s Indian team is the answer on how bits and pieces players will never work in test cricket. No need to get stuck on him, he will play all his matches in this series and IPL. If he does not show any improvement after that then they need to make a call on him. He is 6th bowling option imo. Definitely not fit for 5th as of now. He needs to prove he is all rounder. What i like is that he has ODI batting average of 33 at SR of 117. This combination is acceptable given he does gives us few overs. And he is the best fielder in this ODI team. Out of 33 innings he has bowled, he has completed 10 overs spell only 7 times. He completes full ODI spells once in every 5 match. On average he is giving us 7 overs per match. His last 10 spells starting with recent match first is as follows: 5,7,10,10,5,5,4,10,2,5. This implies he is not a ODI bowler who is ready to be part of the main 5. We do not have any cricketer who score 33 at SR of 117 and gives 7 overs per match. All we have to do is expect his bowling improves. He is like a bits and pieces player and every bits and pieces cricketer has faced criticism until they have turned into proper all rounders. Hardik has to pass through this phase of criticism until he shows he is a proper all rounder. How many matches can he take is a concern. He has played 34 ODI's. Another 16 to develop. Is it too much, or is it less? Only the think tank can take this decision. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, putrevus said: the problem is he is not even sixth bowling option and he is occupying place based on hope that some day he will become a competent allrounder. Hahaha......he got MOM for his bowling in 1st game He takes a wkt evry game.....and he is not even the 6th bowling option who is the 5th then 1 hour ago, putrevus said: I am not sold on his batting yet, unless he is sure walkin either as a batsmen or bowler he makes the team that much weaker. at 7 why do u need a full batsman and has played a lot of good knocks at 7 M sure u dnt watch games at all 1 hour ago, putrevus said: While a good all rounder can make a team stronger but on the same hand bits and pieces player like Pandya can make team so much weaker.1980s Indian team is the answer on how bits and pieces players will never work in test cricket. Pandya has made our team weeker......so u mean we were better with jadeja at 7, binny, rishi dhawan 1 hour ago, putrevus said: No need to get stuck on him, he will play all his matches in this series and IPL. If he does not show any improvement after that then they need to make a call on him. and u seems to have found some better option go ahead shoot...... adi B 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Straight Drive said: He is like andhon main kanna raaja. We are stuck with him because lack of better options. So i am fine if he gets first go. having said that, he is not yet a developed all rounder. More of a ODI batsman who has decent batting average and SR only if we consider that he bowls 5- 6 overs in ODI. Lot of improvement is required to be an all rounder. That andhon men kanna raja - controled his nerves bowling a final over in a pressure t20 game in 2016 against Bang, many experienced wud have crumbled Won MOM for his bowling in his 1st game Batting stats are quite similar to yuvi or raina at start n infact the his avg are far better at no 7, Wkt tally is quite similar to bhuvneshwar only one to play well in 2017 ct final when all failed scored 90+ in his 1st game in SA in test not many have done that These are no small achievement for a guy who was fast tracked sandeep 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: That andhon men kanna raja - controled his nerves bowling a final over in a pressure t20 game in 2016 against Bang, many experienced wud have crumbled Won MOM for his bowling in his 1st game Batting stats are quite similar to yuvi or raina at start n infact the his avg are far better at no 7, Wkt tally is quite similar to bhuvneshwar only one to play well in 2017 ct final when all failed scored 90+ in his 1st game in SA in test not many have done that These are no small achievement for a guy who was fast tracked You kidding me right....that was a total implosion by Bangladesh lol,the only good ball he bowled was the final delivery...any half decent team would have finished it in 3 balls. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 8 hours ago, express bowling said: Yes ... he needs to put a price on his wicket in tests but that applies to Rahul, Rohit, Vijay and Dhawan too. His natural game involves high risk, sehwag, jayasuria, gilchrist all played high risk game. Some day it will come of and change the game n some day it wont . With maturity he will learn to plan his innings a little better and pick the bowlers or situation to target but his game wud be same. People have to understand that it wont happen overnight and it will be the failures that will teach him to be better Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Hahaha......he got MOM for his bowling in 1st game He takes a wkt evry game.....and he is not even the 6th bowling option who is the 5th then at 7 why do u need a full batsman and has played a lot of good knocks at 7 M sure u dnt watch games at all Pandya has made our team weeker......so u mean we were better with jadeja at 7, binny, rishi dhawan and u seems to have found some better option go ahead shoot...... Don't need any allrounder to make team great, India won world cup without any so called allrounder like Pandya. Yuvraj was all rounder but he would walk into that team as batsman also. At no 6/7 you need a bowler who will always complete his 10 overs.His batting will always be a bonus.If there is top order collpase I don't think he has in him to score a big hundred like Dhoni nor does he have the ability to take the game deep like Dhoni .Even Sachin took five wickets in match few time that didn't make him an all rounder. Pandya if he continues to be like this ,it won't be long before he is booted out of the team. His bowling has been awful so far. Edited February 5, 2018 by putrevus Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, maniac said: You kidding me right....that was a total implosion by Bangladesh lol,the only good ball he bowled was the final delivery...any half decent team would have finished it in 3 balls. and that one ball wud have had the pressure like no one. A pressure on someone who hasnt even played much. That one ball pressure that made someone like donald do as stupid thing under pressure Easier said then done , not many can handle that pressure. That only ball made chetan sharma famous for wrong reason That one ball made everyone remeber joginder sharma name till date Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Out of his 34 wickets in 33 bowling innings, his breakup of wickets is as follows: Wicket-less - 11 innings 1 wicket - 12 innings 2 wickets - 7 innings 3 wickets - 3 innings His breakup of overs range as per innings is as follows: 0 to 5 overs - 10 innings 5.1 to 7 overs - 9 innings 7.1 to 10 overs - 15 innings Link to comment
maniac Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 8 hours ago, express bowling said: Most of our other specialist batsmen have got out to poor shots or poor running too in the SA test series. Why single out Pandya ! Yes ... he needs to put a price on his wicket in tests but that applies to Rahul, Rohit, Vijay and Dhawan too. Ashwin's test centuries are against WI. I am not saying Ashwin is a great batsman...I am using that as an example that scoring an odd 100 doesn’t mean anything against weak opponents. Yes Vijay and Pujara have been out to loose dismissals, Rohit and Dhawan is more of a problem of technique than temperament. A Ramp shot +chasing a 5th stump line + not grounding a bat and running like a headless chicken in 3 out of 4 innings is inexcusable. These are mistakes a player probably makes over a period of time,not in the span of 2 tests. Even Kapil Dev and Dhoni(in WI 2006) were reprimanded for a loose shot. its failure of the coaching staff to speak sense in to him sure but obviously you need brains of your own to minimize these mistakes...I have seen plenty of 18-19 year olds in tests who showed far more composure. I am not saying drop him tommorow, but about time he gets a reality check that he is not a legend he considers himself. He is still very valuable but if his value outweighs is dumb antics than better to go with a specialist. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: Don't need any allrounder to make team great, India won world cup without any so called allrounder like Pandya. Yuvraj was all rounder but he would walk into that team as batsman also. Dont need all rounder, yuvraj singh was made an all rounder to get the balance of the side right in 2011 It was not only his batting but bowling which got him MOS now we dnt have anyone who even bowls 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: At no 6/7 you need a bowler who will always complete his 10 overs.His batting will always be a bonus.If there is top order collpase I don't he has in him to score a big hundred .Even Sachin took five wickets in match few time that didn't make him an all rounder. yuvraj singh has no 100 at 6/7....... a top order collapse and he has made runs Aus game in chennai Ct 2017 final What did the previous ones like binny , jadeja do 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: Pandya if he continues to be like this ,it won't be long before he is booted out of the team. pandya aint going anywere......... Mark my words he aint going anywere. He has done really well only a fool wud drop him that to when their is no backup also adi B 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: and that one ball wud have had the pressure like no one. A pressure on someone who hasnt even played much. That one ball pressure that made someone like donald do as stupid thing under pressure Easier said then done , not many can handle that pressure. That only ball made chetan sharma famous for wrong reason That one ball made everyone remeber joginder sharma name till date Huh? He gave 8 runs in 2 balls last time I checked by serving half volleys....it is dumb Bangladeshis who out did him...are you seriously calling that a great performance Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Out of his 34 wickets in 33 bowling innings, his breakup of wickets is as follows: Wicket-less - 11 innings 1 wicket - 12 innings 2 wickets - 7 innings 3 wickets - 3 innings His breakup of overs range as per innings is as follows: 0 to 5 overs - 10 innings 5.1 to 7 overs - 9 innings 7.1 to 10 overs - 15 innings 13 minutes ago, putrevus said: ]Pandya if he continues to be like this ,it won't be long before he is booted out of the team. bhuvneshwar kumar had 35 wkts in 33 innings, well he has done as much as one of ur main bowlers Pandya batting avg after 34 games - 33.61 with 4 half centuries yuvraj singh after 34 games- 29......with 5 half centuries raina- 26 with 3 -50s Rohit sharma 25 with 4 half centuries (he is a middle order batsman) well he has done as much as a main bowler did in his intial games and as much as main batsman and more then many, whats the fuzz really. He is doing two job Only if captain were less patient like u guys with the likes of yuvraj, raina n rohit , they wudnt have been same players Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Dont need all rounder, yuvraj singh was made an all rounder to get the balance of the side right in 2011 It was not only his batting but bowling which got him MOS now we dnt have anyone who even bowls yuvraj singh has no 100 at 6/7....... a top order collapse and he has made runs Aus game in chennai Ct 2017 final What did the previous ones like binny , jadeja do pandya aint going anywere......... Mark my words he aint going anywere. He has done really well only a fool wud drop him that to when their is no backup also Yuvraj bowling aided him in getting Mos , Yuvraj had versatility to bat from no3 to no 7. This guy has long way to go to match Yuvraj as batsman.That is the point you don't need bits and pieces player like this guy or Binny to make team great. You are offering answer to your own question, Jadeja won CT with his bowling , let this guy replicate that before you start comparing with him. Jadeja has been no1 bowler in tests and odis . Jadeja or Ashwin would walk into Indian test team when playing at home on their bowling alone.This guy is nothing but a glorified version of Binny .Player like Binny is last thing this team needs in long run.He will play this series, let us see what he does. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, maniac said: Huh? He gave 8 runs in 2 balls last time I checked by serving half volleys....it is dumb Bangladeshis who out did him...are you seriously calling that a great performance No im saying, keeping nerves under pressure isnt a easy thing specially for a raw player like for which he deserves a lot of credit . Shows he has got temperament for pressure situation , temperament something thats very important in international cricket Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, putrevus said: Yuvraj bowling aided him in getting Mos , Yuvraj had versatility to bat from no3 to no 7. No yuvraj didnt had the technique to bat at 3..... ] Just now, putrevus said: This guy has long way to go to match Yuvraj as batsman.That is the point you don't need bits and pieces player like this guy or Binny to make team great. Who is consedring him as batsman , he is an all rounder Check stats above......yuvraj batting avg was same at the stage where pandya is . Yuvraj was highly inconsitent with bat for 1st 5 yrs Just now, putrevus said: You are offering answer to your own question, Jadeja won CT with his bowling , let this guy replicate that before you start comparing with him. Jadeja has been no1 bowler in tests and odis . Jadeja was only a bowler and btw if u have forgotten at start his career he also received this As if jadeja was a gr8 bowler from day one......na But till the end he a poor LOI batsman Just now, putrevus said: Jadeja or Ashwin would walk into Indian test team when playing at home on their bowling alone.This guy is nothing but a glorified version of Binny .Player like Binny is last thing this team needs in long run.He will play this series, let us see what he does. jadeja n ashwin can only walk in as bowlers in team at home, which wont happen now as their are better option In terms of all rounder we dnt even have half a decent option Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: bhuvneshwar kumar had 35 wkts in 33 innings, well he has done as much as one of ur main bowlers Pandya batting avg after 34 games - 33.61 with 4 half centuries yuvraj singh after 34 games- 29......with 5 half centuries raina- 26 with 3 -50s Rohit sharma 25 with 4 half centuries (he is a middle order batsman) well he has done as much as a main bowler did in his intial games and as much as main batsman and more then many, whats the fuzz really. He is doing two job Only if captain were less patient like u guys with the likes of yuvraj, raina n rohit , they wudnt have been same players Does two wrongs make one right. Bhuvi too needs to increase his wickets tally per innings. Bhuvi was dropped for performance isn't it. Link to comment
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