rkt.india Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said: For me, Prasidh and Khaleel seem like bowlers who will do better in test cricket. Ofcourse, with a little bit of time but definitely more test material than limited overs. Khaleel is more LOI material, good yorker and slower balls. LORD_analyst 1
prudent_kreeda Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Khaleel is more LOI material, good yorker and slower balls. I bet right now , he does not have the stamina to bowl 20 odd overs for 2 days on trot in test matches LORD_analyst 1
raki05 Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, S_pace said: He's only had an average IPL and by no means an averages International whether it be test odi or T20. Have you seen his odi stats. LORD_analyst 1
rkt.india Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said: I bet right now , he does not have the stamina to bowl 20 odd overs for 2 days on trot in test matches No 20 year old will have that. It takes a lot of first class bowling, supreme fitness to do that. He has just played 1-2 FC games, debuted this season.
LORD_analyst Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said: I bet right now , he does not have the stamina to bowl 20 odd overs for 2 days on trot in test matches yup....stamina is very important.....only prasidh krishna seems a touch like hazlewood with consistency and stamina to bowl long spells...imo a worthy replacement of ishant- doesn't bowls bad lines,has good stamina. Mosher 1
express bowling Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said: For me, Prasidh and Khaleel seem like bowlers who will do better in test cricket. Ofcourse, with a little bit of time but definitely more test material than limited overs. They may well be test material in the coming years. They definitely have the basics right ... pace, height, bounce, seam movement, decent accuracy. But we have to see whether they can sustain pace and intensity while bowling 20 overs a day or develop this if they can't. They have to play most FC games next season. The reasons why I feel that Prasidh and Khaleel may do well in ODIs and T20Is are because ... both have decent channel deliveries which are needed in the first 40 overs in ODIs ... both have good yorkers and decent slower balls which will help them in T20s and the last 10 overs of ODIs. Plus both are tall with natural bounce, which is more difficult to get away. Edited May 20, 2018 by express bowling Mosher 1
LORD_analyst Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 Just now, express bowling said: They may well be test material in the coming years. They definitely have the basics right ... pace, height, bounce, seam movement, decent accuracy. But we have to see whether they can sustain pace and intensity while bowling 20 overs a day or develop this if they can't. They have to plsy most FC games next season. The reasons why I feel that Prasidh and Khaleel may do well in ODIs and T20Is are because ... both have decent channel deliveries which are needed in the first 40 overs in ODIs ... both have good yorkers and decent slower balls which will help them in T20s and the last 10 overs of ODIs. Plus both are tall with natural bounce, which is more difficult to get away. khaleel still has a long way to go....saw him in domestic....gets erratic sometimes....control will improve as he plays more games.
express bowling Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, LORD_analyst said: yup....stamina is very important.....only prasidh krishna seems a touch like hazlewood with consistency and stamina to bowl long spells...imo a worthy replacement of ishant- doesn't bowls bad lines,has good stamina. We won't know about his stamina till we see him in FC games. He has played just 1 FC match. But it is also true that stamina will increase as he plays more and more FC and does stamina training. Suhaan and Mosher 2
express bowling Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, LORD_analyst said: khaleel still has a long way to go....saw him in domestic....gets erratic sometimes....control will improve as he plays more games. Did very well in SMA Trophy 2018 with 17 wickets from 10 matches and low ER Picked up 10 wickets in 6 Vijay Hazare 2018 at low ER too. Which is why he got a 50-over A-team call up to England. Edited May 20, 2018 by express bowling Suhaan and Mosher 2
express bowling Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 40 minutes ago, rkt.india said: It takes a lot of first class bowling, supreme fitness to do that. He has just played 1-2 FC games, debuted this season. The BCCI must see to it that Avesh, Prasidh, Khaleel, Mavi and Nagarkoti get to play a lot of FC games in the next 2 coming seasons. Suhaan and Mosher 2
Rightarmfast Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, prudent_kreeda said: I bet right now , he does not have the stamina to bowl 20 odd overs for 2 days on trot in test matches Dude, he is a national level sportsman. He has played U19 for India. The training is no joke. Saying something like he doesnt have the stamina is making an umbrella statement without any basis. You can say he lacks in experience, or he doesnt have experience to understand when to bowl fast or when to bowl slow. Or his muscles may not have developed fully to be bowling at full pace yet, throughout the day. Saying he doesnt have stamina is ignorance. The kind of training state level athletes get is phenomenal, and the international players are on a different level. And anyways, even in Test, you get to bowl max 4-6 overs on a trot. Its not that you have to keep bowling the entire day. And incase you are missing, the younger guys are the fittest and have the most stamina. The older guys have experience and know how to handle their body! Mosher 1
vishalvirsingh Posted May 20, 2018 Author Posted May 20, 2018 Rajpoot 141.5and swinging. express bowling, Mosher and Suhaan 2 1
vishalvirsingh Posted May 20, 2018 Author Posted May 20, 2018 142.6k with three slips... Ankit on fire express bowling, Mosher and Suhaan 3
express bowling Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 Rajpoot 2nd over 143 k 143 k 141 k ... outswinger 141 k ... edges but 4 143 k ... outswinger 139 k ... 4 This is my issue with Rajpoot. He can bowl this pace with outswing ... but often chooses to bowl within himself. Suhaan and Mosher 1 1
Rightarmfast Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, express bowling said: They may well be test material in the coming years. They definitely have the basics right ... pace, height, bounce, seam movement, decent accuracy. But we have to see whether they can sustain pace and intensity while bowling 20 overs a day or develop this if they can't. They have to play most FC games next season. The reasons why I feel that Prasidh and Khaleel may do well in ODIs and T20Is are because ... both have decent channel deliveries which are needed in the first 40 overs in ODIs ... both have good yorkers and decent slower balls which will help them in T20s and the last 10 overs of ODIs. Plus both are tall with natural bounce, which is more difficult to get away. I think having a good yorker or slower ball do not necessarily make someone an LOI bowler. The same deliveries are used in Test cricket as well. And I for one believe that Test cricket is the best form of the game to make a debut in. Not any form of LOI. The batsmen do not jump at you in Test cricket. And even if you fail on the first day, you always have the 2nd day or the 2nd innings to make amends. But a bad outing in an ODI or T20 could very well mean mental disintegration and a long time scar. Not to forget, a bad innigs could break one's career entirely. express bowling 1
vishalvirsingh Posted May 20, 2018 Author Posted May 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: Dude, he is a national level sportsman. He has played U19 for India. The training is no joke. Saying something like he doesnt have the stamina is making an umbrella statement without any basis. You can say he lacks in experience, or he doesnt have experience to understand when to bowl fast or when to bowl slow. Or his muscles may not have developed fully to be bowling at full pace yet, throughout the day. Saying he doesnt have stamina is ignorance. The kind of training state level athletes get is phenomenal, and the international players are on a different level. And anyways, even in Test, you get to bowl max 4-6 overs on a trot. Its not that you have to keep bowling the entire day. And incase you are missing, the younger guys are the fittest and have the most stamina. The older guys have experience and know how to handle their body! At 20 years and specially a fast bowler... The age is such that one doesn't get tired... I don't agree that his stamina cud be less.. He has no fat on his body. Rightarmfast 1
Rightarmfast Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 Just now, express bowling said: Rajpoot 2nd over 143 k 143 k 141 k ... outswinger 141 k ... edges but 4 143 k ... outswinger 139 k ... 4 This is my issue with Rajpoot. He can bowl this pace with outswing ... but often chooses to bowl within himself. Rajpoot looks a very mediocre bowler to me. And yet somehow I feel he is still international quality. I mean the time has changed so dramatically for India. 20 yrs ago, Pakistan used to have bowlers like Rajpoot and we used to be terrorised by such bowlers and used to think they were express pace. Today, even if Rajpoot bowls 140, he is garbage to us. express bowling 1
LORD_analyst Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, express bowling said: Rajpoot 2nd over 143 k 143 k 141 k ... outswinger 141 k ... edges but 4 143 k ... outswinger 139 k ... 4 This is my issue with Rajpoot. He can bowl this pace with outswing ... but often chooses to bowl within himself. this over was thousand times better than avesh khan.....avesh khan needs control......
rkt.india Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, LORD_analyst said: this over was thousand times better than avesh khan.....avesh khan needs control...... This is an absolutely different pitch. Avesh will wreak havoc on this pitch. We need more pitches like this. Don't be stupid to compare raddi delhi pitch to this beauty of a track. Rightarmfast and Suhaan 1 1
S_pace Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 Rajpoot is bowling gems at 140k+ express bowling, Mosher and LORD_analyst 1 2
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