Why do some South Indians can speak Hindi fluently while many can't?

[coffee_rules]

17 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Ab aaya oot pahar ke nichey.

This is your main reason to opposing Sanskrit as link language. Rest all ' boo hoo hardly anyone speaks' is just nonsense cover. Your hinduphobia. 
Unique culture also exists in Punjab and Bengal and Gujarat and Odisha as well as Assam but we are not inbred butthurts like you are to make up a phantom reason coz of your butthurt of not being the big bro. 

Last i checked, Punjabi or Gujju culture aint dying and pretty much all of them can speak Hindi to a degree 95% of kannadigas can't.  So your idiot whines about 'muh cultural preservation' is literal jack **** by objective evidence, mr smooth brain. 

 

Now you know why people hate Brahmins, Bruh!! They are Ibrahims 

 

[coffee_rules]

9 hours ago, Mariyam said:

 

The concept of a Yateem: Losing a father or both the parents. If a kid were to lose his/her mother and the kid is young, the Hadees recommends that the Husband marry again for the sake of the kid or hand over the upbringing of the kid to the other wife/wives. So a child who has  lost his mother is not an orphan, strictly speaking from an Islamic viewpoint. Or that is my understanding of it.

 

Bollywood script writers could be accused of being lazy, but to allege that Hindi across this vast country became Persianized as against Sanskritized because of movies is disingenious. AIR and DD had a far bigger reach in our formative years than Bollywood movies. Most programs were in "shudh" Hindi.

 

Most Bollywood writers/lyricists today can't even write the Urdu letters.  Even the Muslim ones. So your entire theory of " evil Bollywood keeping down Sanskrit to promote Persian" is extremely suspect,

 

 

You just are underestimating the soft power of  Bollywood. DD came in the 80s, since 1930s , the only entertainment was movies in India. Even on DD, people would mostly watch movies and chitradhar. Kids in 80s would follow stars like their idols, follow their  mannerisms and style. I am sure youth in 50s would follow stars like Dev Anand, Shammi Kapoor etc. Radio programs listened would mostly be around movie song programs.  Akashvani was boring talk about advice to farmers while Binaca Geet Mala was the popular program on VividhBharti. I remember my uncles and aunts listen to radio only for songs. There used to be movie soundtracks played on radio that we would listen even in 90s. My uncle had a 2-cassette album of the full movie of Sholay on tape. I have listened to those tapes more than watching it on screen later on reruns in the 90s . Bollywood had the power and reach to influence people and their language. Very few people would anyway speak shudh Hindi/Urdu, but people definitely picked on the kitsch that Bollywood served. 

Edited October 5, 2024 by coffee_rules

[Lannister]

14 hours ago, zen said:

I have seen a video where an auto driver slaps a lady in B’luru. That was rude and not something to be proud of

 

 

 

It’s about embracing ideas that are morally and scientifically sound to improve society. Focusing solely on actions and retaliations is pointless. 

[randomGuy]

Karnataka: Siddaramaiah govt mandates Urdu proficiency for Anganwadi teachers' posts

 

https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/karnataka-siddharamaiah-govt-mandates-urdu-proficiency-for-anganwadi-teachers-posts-bjp-cries-appeasement-politics/videoshow/113626021.cms

 

 

 

[Lannister]

On 10/4/2024 at 12:26 AM, Mariyam said:

 

Any business offering services for those activities listed as essential cannot and should not be permitted to run, if they can't offer services in Kannada.

Most essential services are under the State List. De Jure they have to offer services in the local language.

On that there is no difference of opinion.

 

Dr Ambedkar and the others who jotted down the constitution "suggested" to the various states at the time to add English as a state language. Prescient suggestion, as it turned out. So most States have English also as a State language and are forced de jure to offer services in English also. The notable exceptions are Odissa and Pondicherry.

 

 

The real question is about those who avail the service: Must they avail service only in a local language. The answer to that is no. Legally, and morally. To circumvent this precise issue, English was included as a local language.

 

I would like your view on the following:

Say that some guy from Delhi does his Engineering in Pune (not learning Marathi, over the course of his degree), proceeds to do a Masters in the US and works a few years there , only to return in his early to mid 30s to Bangalore to work in a tech start up. He spends 5 years there, most of the time working away or providing/spending time for his family. Do you expect a person in this kind of a situation to learn a local language?

I agree. You can refer to my previous post for the answer to your question.

 

 

[Lannister]

23 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

For me, still the best way is to revive Sanskrit, it was our ancient language and it will give us the same strength and self-confidence which China, Israel has. I know if will take atleast 50 years, maybe even more. But a step has to be taken right now if we really want to solve this language issue. 

Sanskrit is closely tied to religion and I don’t think it has practical relevance in today's scientific era.

[zen]

38 minutes ago, Lannister said:

It’s about embracing ideas that are morally and scientifically sound to improve society. Focusing solely on actions and retaliations is pointless. 

Imagine your sister or daughter being subjected to such an horrific experience. 

Only take away here is that rickshaw drivers need to be given training on customer service before they can drive a rickshaw. 

 

[Lannister]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

Imagine your sister or daughter being subjected to such an horrific experience. 

Only take away here is that rickshaw drivers need to be given training on customer service before they can drive a rickshaw. 

 

Emotions and sentiments won’t solve the issues here. You can engage in all the thought experiments you like, but they become pointless if they can't be applied to real world situations.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Lannister said:

Emotions and sentiments won’t solve the issues here. You can engage in all the thought experiments you like, but they become pointless if they can't be applied to real world situations.

Such a behaviour cannot be justified. 
 

This again highlights the low quality of people who drive rickshaws. In the North we have read about women going through horrific experiences at the hands of bad rickshaw/taxi drivers.
 

Imagine a young student from Karnataka having to go through an horrific experience in Delhi. And some folks trying to spin it as an outburst against Southies. 

The good thing is that the rickshaw driver was sent to jail. 
 

There is a need to for taxi/rickshaw drivers to first undertake training and certification, provide their information to the police database, before engaging in this profession. 
 

[zen]

@Lannister

 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

Sanskrit is closely tied to religion and I don’t think it has practical relevance in today's scientific era.

So does Urdu, so does English.
Sanskrit has enough scientific texts, which were translated in English by foreigners.
Otherwise why someone who was born before Christ will be called as father of plastic surgery, long before modern science even came nearby. 

If we link languages to religion then at that rate, only sign-language will be truly neutral. 

Edited October 5, 2024 by singhvivek141

[zen]

41 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

f we link languages to religion then at that rate, only sign-language will be truly neutral. 

The better option is to not plan (and advertise) on a “link” language and let individuals decide what works best for them. Let the communications flow naturally.

If people “attempt” to impose a language, it will likely get thrown out or appear as a negative (as Hindi and at times even its speakers are finding it out). 

Give people the option to study multiple languages including Sanskrit. Let folks pick the ones that align with their interests and work the best for them. 

Edited October 5, 2024 by zen

[singhvivek141]

23 minutes ago, zen said:

The better option is to not plan on a “link” language and let individuals decide what works best for them. Let the communications flow naturally.

If people “attempt” to impose a language, it will likely get thrown out or appear as a negative (as Hindi and at times even its speakers are finding it out). 
 

 

That will only happen when people are flexible enough, there are so many bumheads who will cause nothing but obstacles.

Again, the way to solve this is the entities who're hiring the "outsiders" should either take responsibility of training folks in local language as well or don't hire them at all. In a way it will force other states who don't have access to sea ports to figure out different ways to manage the problem.

It's really funny that we're ready to bow down to a foreign language, but have resistance towards our own language. No wonder why we're a divided society. 
 

Edited October 5, 2024 by singhvivek141

[zen]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

That will only happen when people are flexible enough, there are so many bumheads who will cause nothing but obstacles.

Again, the way to solve this is the entities who're hiring the "outsiders" should either take responsibility of training folks in local language as well or don't hire folks at all. In a way it will force other states who don't have access to sea ports to figure out different ways to manage the problem.
 

Give people the option to study multiple languages including Sanskrit. Let the folks pick the one that align with their interests and work the best for them. 
 

A basic criteria for efficient work is language compatibility. If an employee from outside is being brought in, it is a good idea to do a proper onboarding including language training. It is not difficult to get one started with an online course.
 

Many times, English is the main language of a business so the responsibility to align an employee with the local culture can take a back seat. 

 

[zen]

32 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

It's really funny that we're ready to bow down to a foreign language, but have resistance towards our own language. No wonder why we're a divided society. 

Because a foreign language is “foreign” for everyone. No one has an advantage or disadvantage.
 

We are divided because we try to impose our own language on people (citing reasons such as nation, unnecessarily bringing in colonialism to run down another language) rather than work to make it “flexible”. 
 

How would you feel if Tamil or Punjabi or Bengali is advanced as a link language based on it being an Indian language when you will likely feel zero connection to it. 
 

English has a natural advantage because higher education, renowned literature, major entertainment, etc., are available in it. If you want to read a Japanese book, it would be available in English. Most educated folks can get by (in this world) knowing their mother tongue and English.
 

In India, English has been integrated for centuries (India is not even 100 years old) where even our education (esp. higher) takes place in it! It is widely used in business and in government. 

Edited October 5, 2024 by zen

[singhvivek141]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

Because a foreign language is “foreign” for everyone. No one has an advantage or disadvantage.
 

We are divided because we try to impose our own language on people (citing reasons such as nation) rather than work to make it flexible. 
 

How would you feel if Tamil or Punjabi is advanced as a link language based on it being an Indian language when you will likely feel zero connection to it. 
 

English has an advantage because higher education, renowned literature, major entertainment, etc., is available in it. Most highly educated folks can get (in this world) by with knowing their mother tongue and English. 

Me personally, I have no issues. It will be a challenge, but I will learn if that's become a necessity.

I learned Telugu, not that I need it in Hyderabad. But I have travelled to Tamil Nadu and by using Telugu I was able to manage as folks were able to understand it.
Learning telugu didn't affected my penchant for my mother tounge, infact now I enjoy it more cause learning language is a skill. I can see local folks feeling happy whenever I speak to them in my broken Telugu, and they correct me as well.

Also, as Telugu has so many words from Sanskrit, it is easier to connect the dots once you understand the basic words.

But stick to one language as link, and people shouldn't raise it as concern tomorrow stating their feelings are getting hurt coz we're promoting x language over y.

[zen]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Me personally, I have no issues. It will be a challenge, but I will learn if that's become a necessity.

I learned Telugu, not that I need it in Hyderabad. But I have travelled to Tamil Nadu and by using Telugu I was able to manage as folks were able to understand it.
Learning telugu didn't affected my penchant for my mother tounge, infact now I enjoy it more cause learning language is a skill. I can see local folks feeling happy whenever I speak to them in my broken Telugu, and they correct me as well.

Also, as Telugu has so many words from Sanskrit, it is easier to connect the dots once you understand the basic words.

But stick to one language as link, and people shouldn't raise it as concern tomorrow stating their feelings are getting hurt coz we're promoting x language over y.

That is what I said that individuals will figure out a way to communicate based on what aligns with their interest and works the best. 
 

A link language cannot be “officially” imposed esp. an Indian one as those not speaking that language will feel at a disadvantage (if an Indian language has to be used, why not mine. If someone has to learn another language, let it be mine), and any language promoted seen as a “peddling” for convenience by those whose mother tongue is that language. 

A language should rise automatically as a link one. Unofficially, I won’t be surprised, if it is English. And that is the case world over as people naturally gravitate towards it due to the advantages already mentioned. In future, more and more education in India will shift to English (if it already hasn’t).
 

Rather than focus on link language, it is better to focus on connecting with our culture (and in our regional language). We adapt western concepts, materials, life style, etc., and look for Indianess in an unconnected Indian language while aping western life in other spheres.

[Lannister]

2 hours ago, zen said:

Such a behaviour cannot be justified. 
 

This again highlights the low quality of people who drive rickshaws. In the North we have read about women going through horrific experiences at the hands of bad rickshaw/taxi drivers.
 

Imagine a young student from Karnataka having to go through an horrific experience in Delhi. And some folks trying to spin it as an outburst against Southies. 

The good thing is that the rickshaw driver was sent to jail. 
 

There is a need to for taxi/rickshaw drivers to first undertake training and certification, provide their information to the police database, before engaging in this profession. 
 

Justification is a strong word. There’s no scientific basis for it. The world fundamentally operates on cause and effect. Better ideas will always prevail, whether through violent or nonviolent means. 

 

Our focus should be on ensuring these ideas are implemented through reasoning and dialogue. 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Lannister said:

Justification is a strong word. There’s no scientific basis for it. The world fundamentally operates on cause and effect. Better ideas will always prevail, whether through violent or nonviolent means. 

 

Our focus should be on ensuring these ideas are implemented through reasoning and dialogue. 

What idea?

[singhvivek141]

17 minutes ago, zen said:

That is what I said that individuals will figure out a way to communicate based on what aligns with their interest and works the best. 
 

A link language cannot be “officially” imposed esp. an Indian one as those not speaking that language will feel at a disadvantage (if an Indian language has to be used, why not mine. If someone has to learn another language, let it be mine), and any language promoted seen as a “peddling” for convenience by those whose mother tongue is that language. 

A language should rise automatically as a link one. Unofficially, I won’t be surprised, if it is English. And that is the case world over as people naturally gravitate towards it due to the advantages already mentioned. In future, more and more education in India will shift to English (if it already hasn’t).
 

Rather than focus on link language, it is better to focus on connecting with our culture (and in our regional language). We adapt western concepts, materials, life style, etc., and look for Indianess in an unconnected Indian language while aping western life in other spheres.

That's the whole problem sir.

Since we're leaving it upto individuals (or in India's case state govt.s), every govt is taking things in their own hands and pushing their agenda for vote bank.

A govt calls indigenious religion as dengue, malaria....how it will show respect to indigenious language ? So what language an outsider will use, English ? But folks are resisting to English as well only coz in their minds their language is best. Slowly, outsiders will resist going there. It will open another can of issues there.

I have seen employees who will use polished English in front of the white managers and lick their boots (not literally ) but won't talk to their Indian counterparts from other state in English properly (even though they live in a different state). 

People won't amalgmate naturally, you're in US so you might know it already. They only do it when need arises. Else, everyone is happy in their own bubble abusing others.