Why do some South Indians can speak Hindi fluently while many can't?

[zen]

The drawbacks of Ind’s current system is highlighted by the battle b/w Hindi speakers and South Indian languages speakers. Now we are getting into which culture is more superior (would like to read respective PoV). 

 

What India probably needs is a highly federal structure of government, where the Center is responsible for defence, international relations, etc. - basically outside relations and the big picture areas including the general governance of the region. 

 

The states should (among others things):

 

* Craft their own economic policies

* Be responsible for implementing and collecting taxes, while giving a small percentage to the Center

* Safe guard and promote their culture including language

* Law and order 

* Field their own sports teams at international level if they prefer  

 

For money and releated policies, one can use a system similar to Euro. 

 

Like in EU, people in the India region can move around the area, work, live, etc., without any major restrictions per the system in place in the state of their residence. 

 

Only special status states such as Kashmir, Arunachal, etc. should be directly under the Center. 

 

There could even be a new way to elect the central government. 

 

Which is why I usually say (at least in the context of India) that too feel like a community: Religion/culture (includes language) > Region > Nation. 

 

The problem arises when we use the “nation” to distort other regions and their culture, including by unnecessarily attempting to become homogeneous. 

 

Most folks view people who are not from their region as an outsider despite them sharing the “Indian” tag. Hardcore nationalism is not for India.

 

Unfortunately, by the time people realize that, it could be too late - some cultures could get destroyed or diluted, India could break based on cultural and religious affiliation, …, …, … 

Edited October 9, 2024 by zen

[zen]

If we look at the region’s history, 

 

First, it was under various dynasties and also filled with relatively small nation-states. 

 

Second, it was under the British rule for around 200 years. 

 

Third, the current state, which could again be a relatively temporary state (maybe 125-150 years of which some 70 odd years have already gone) till the region eventually heads where it is supposed to be.

 

Fourth, the highly federal structure.

 

Fifth, … … …  

Edited October 9, 2024 by zen

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, randomGuy said:

Lol? One can only pity you.

 

Historically, contemporarily etc. my culture is THE best culture of this world. The more you come in touch with it, the more you admire it. It has the best food, music, festivals, vegetarianism, spirituality (produces the greatest ever people to grace this world such as Osho, Buddha n countless others), colourful attire, tolerance for others, stood the test time - one of the oldest cultures. 

Even the South used to dominate your culture. Everything about our culture is authentic to the Indian subcontinent. But can't say the same about you. Poor guy. You’re a product of multiple cultures, both native and foreign. If you think that's superior, I can only laugh at your stupidity. 

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, randomGuy said:

Lol? One can only pity you.

 

Historically, contemporarily etc. my culture is THE best culture of this world. The more you come in touch with it, the more you admire it. It has the best food, music, festivals, vegetarianism, spirituality (produces the greatest ever people to grace this world such as Osho, Buddha n countless others), colourful attire, tolerance for others, stood the test time - one of the oldest cultures. 

 

Edited October 9, 2024 by Lannister

[coffee_rules]

6 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Even the South used to dominate your culture. Everything about our culture is authentic to the Indian subcontinent. But can't say the same about you. Poor guy. You’re a product of multiple cultures, both native and foreign. If you think that's superior, I can only laugh at your stupidity. 

 

If you mean Islamic culture, I agree, that North India has more influence of Islamists - ghunghat, dress sense , language, etc.  But if you mean some Aryan-Dravidian BS , and because of that If you think that's superior, then you are grossly wrong. 

Edited October 9, 2024 by coffee_rules

[randomGuy]

47 minutes ago, zen said:

The drawbacks of Ind’s current system is highlighted by the battle b/w Hindi speakers and South Indian languages speakers. Now we are getting into which culture is more superior (would like to read respective PoV). 

 

 

It is a case of 'wrestle with a pig and you'll both get dirty but the pig likes it' ...

 

I am not into comparing cultures of diff Indian states , that guy talking culture isn't cultured..hence my culture is better :D

 

[zen]

56 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

It is a case of 'wrestle with a pig and you'll both get dirty but the pig likes it' ...

 

I am not into comparing cultures of diff Indian states , that guy talking culture isn't cultured..hence my culture is better :D

 

Usually, it a good practice to maintain dignity as someone at the other end could by typing random things based on his limited PoV and understanding of worldly matters (though at times people will lose their cool).

 

 

[randomGuy]

17 minutes ago, zen said:

Usually, it a good practice to maintain dignity as someone at the other end could by typing random things based on his limited PoV and understanding of worldly matters (though at times people will lose their cool).

 

 

Against serial offenders, one could occasionally indulge imo, but normally should avoid I agree.

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, randomGuy said:

It is a case of 'wrestle with a pig and you'll both get dirty but the pig likes it' ...

 

I am not into comparing cultures of diff Indian states , that guy talking culture isn't cultured..hence my culture is better :D

 

Don't mess around with people who are more knowledgeable to you. If your culture had taught you that, you wouldn't have made that mistake in the first place.

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

 

If you mean Islamic culture, I agree, that North India has more influence of Islamists - ghunghat, dress sense , language, etc.  But if you mean some Aryan-Dravidian BS , and because of that If you think that's superior, then you are grossly wrong. 

Chill, that’s not what I meant.

 

In the end, it’s the culture of science that will overpower all puny, insignificant cultures. 

 

[Muloghonto]

13 hours ago, Lannister said:

Historically, your culture has been dominated by just about every tom, dick and harry. So, where does this idea of superiority even come from? Lol.

History didn't start 1000 years ago, inbred southie.

Our cultural superiority comes from having superior results for 80% of history until your abrahamic barbarians came. We are culturally superior to the west, as demonstrated by the fact that westerners cant compete with Indians in any metric for all the Indians in the west. Since values is product of culture,our values yeild superior result than your western atheist masters in their own lands.

 

[Muloghonto]

12 hours ago, Lannister said:

Even the South used to dominate your culture. Everything about our culture is authentic to the Indian subcontinent. But can't say the same about you. Poor guy. You’re a product of multiple cultures, both native and foreign. If you think that's superior, I can only laugh at your stupidity. 

South is part of our culture, civilised by us via vedic aryanism of the indus valley. 

Pity we didnt civilize you well enough to get rid of inbreeding of the southies. 

The south became south due to the culture of the north. The basis of southern power, was always hinduism and the basis of Chola imperial power was bringing back ganga water to the south. Ie, north is the beating heart of indian culture and its center. 

Two-bit inbred southies peddling nonsense dravidian theories wont change that at the eve of your linguistic extinction.

 

[singhvivek141]

15 hours ago, Lannister said:

Even the South used to dominate your culture. Everything about our culture is authentic to the Indian subcontinent. But can't say the same about you. Poor guy. You’re a product of multiple cultures, both native and foreign. If you think that's superior, I can only laugh at your stupidity. 

No culture has dominated anyone ever.

North and South culture was same historically.

If you think that Harshvardhan or Changradupta Maurya or Samudragupta followed entirely different culture than that of Pulkeshin or Rajendra Chola, then you're mistaken. 

 

Whatever changes/differences you see in North is due to constant invasions from external forces. North has always been at the cross roads, fighting and resisting the forces for centuries, which converted the whole Persian Empire in mere 20 years.

 

Had North not fought and resisted the invading forces. The culture of South would haven't been preserved. There why there are still ancient temples intact in South.

[Lannister]

58 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

No culture has dominated anyone ever.

North and South culture was same historically.

If you think that Harshvardhan or Changradupta Maurya or Samudragupta followed entirely different culture than that of Pulkeshin or Rajendra Chola, then you're mistaken. 

 

Whatever changes/differences you see in North is due to constant invasions from external forces. North has always been at the cross roads, fighting and resisting the forces for centuries, which converted the whole Persian Empire in mere 20 years.

 

Had North not fought and resisted the invading forces. The culture of South would haven't been preserved. There why there are still ancient temples intact in South.

That was my response to someone claiming their culture is superior to the South's. I simply gave him a lesson on his own history.

[Lannister]

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

South is part of our culture, civilised by us via vedic aryanism of the indus valley. 

Pity we didnt civilize you well enough to get rid of inbreeding of the southies. 

The south became south due to the culture of the north. The basis of southern power, was always hinduism and the basis of Chola imperial power was bringing back ganga water to the south. Ie, north is the beating heart of indian culture and its center. 

Two-bit inbred southies peddling nonsense dravidian theories wont change that at the eve of your linguistic extinction.

 

It’s not really your fault if inbreeding left you with a weak genetic mix and that you can't understand advanced knowledge. Your weak mindedness was pretty much set from the start. 

[singhvivek141]

10 minutes ago, Lannister said:

That was my response to someone claiming their culture is superior to the South's. I simply gave him a lesson on his own history.

Ok. 

[randomGuy]

11 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Ok. 

Don't let this moron fool you. Those who have been here long enough know him to be a miserable hater. This was his comment on which I had replied 

 

"Why would we hate someone like you? You are simply a product of the culture and environment you were born into. It's not your fault. "

[singhvivek141]

16 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Don't let this moron fool you. Those who have been here long enough know him to be a miserable hater. This was his comment on which I had replied 

 

"Why would we hate someone like you? You are simply a product of the culture and environment you were born into. It's not your fault. "

I get it, I know it's futile to explain something to someone who already has passed the judgment in their mind..

 

For me, culturally India is same irrespectice of North-South-East-West. We may practice different traditions, worship different gods, speak different language. But our core values are same.

[Lannister]

27 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Don't let this moron fool you. Those who have been here long enough know him to be a miserable hater. This was his comment on which I had replied 

 

"Why would we hate someone like you? You are simply a product of the culture and environment you were born into. It's not your fault. "

That statement still holds true for you.

[Lannister]

14 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

But our core values are same.

Are you referring to our collectivist nature? This trait is common across Asia regardless of the region or country. It's to do with our geography. Not just specific to the Indian subcontinent.