Waqar Younis - You Have No Shame

[mishra]

4 hours ago, First class said:

Remember you're a keen follower of cricket first, behave like one.

I'm not Indian, but I'm on this forum as I'm a keen follower of the game and has played cricket at a good level. I have a huge respect for many Indian current and past cricketers as they are or have been great cricketers, like Tendulkar, Kapil, Gavaskar, Kohli and Dhoni to name a few. I could strongly disagree with any of their statements at times  and am free to  express my opinion but will not use words like " shame" or other crude  words for them. Similarly  Waqar Younis , even though he is a Pakistani , but has been an all time great bowler and does not deserve to be addressed in these words, show some decency please. 

Chill. Posts on this forum is Not sugar coated or diplomatically correct. Which is not bad thing?

However if you find offence here what would you call to various articles and respected news Journos of English print media who have openely questioned Pakistani teams integrity and in no uncertain terms called your team bowlers to be cheating by tampering the ball in 1992. And since 1992. 

 If i am to put those things here, you will find I am Pakistan bashing. So, just google

Edited July 3, 2019 by mishra

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

You know I hear this stuff a lot on these forums. Look man no country exists that does not have a dark past thats full of corruption. So pointing fingers at one by reminding it of the corruption it did does not make your country any less corrupt. This pointing the finger thing can work both ways. But it does not take anyone anywhere. Cause reality is this world is not as pretty as it looks. There will be things happening you don’t agree with. Its life.

Why are you getting hyped. I simply posted what English journos have been saying about Pakistan since 1992. Its on telegraph,  Guardian any many more.

Now do you really think I should believe “sore looser” theory  for English or “Chor ki daadhi mein Tinaka”  theory for Pakistan. Or simply Indian stand of benefit of doubt. After all if Anderson can swing the ball why cant Wasim talk to ball?

[mishra]

^ Once you dig those articles, you will also find out which fans and boards stood by Pakistan during them tessting times. That may add something to your overall PErspective

[mishra]

Just now, Shaz1 said:

Not getting hyped just pointing out the hypocrisy I see on these forums. 

 

You know I won’t be surprised if someone of you believe these so called English articles on Pakistan. 

What hypocrisy? Why should we believe PCB more than ECB 

[Dil Dil India]

40 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

You know I hear this stuff a lot on these forums. Look man no country exists that does not have a dark past thats full of corruption. So pointing fingers at one by reminding it of the corruption it did does not make your country any less corrupt. This pointing the finger thing can work both ways. But it does not take anyone anywhere. Cause reality is this world is not as pretty as it looks. There will be things happening you don’t agree with. Its life.

every team has a shady past; but Pak take the cake....forget the distant past..let's talk 2010s...didn't your premier leg spinner get banned and then he said he was taking his wife's medicine for blood pressure or some crap along those lines? Ajmal blatantly chucked away claiming he had a deformity...surprise surprise later he could somehow bowl properly with a different action once he was called for chucking...and he was instrumental in the 2009 T20 win.....ignoring the infamous spot fixing trio scandal, paindo Asif was banned for drugs; Hafeez called for chucking; Afridi pitch danced; bit the ball and claimed he was SMELLING it LOL!....

 

Remember I am not even going into the past like justice Qayyum report or admission of your tabdeeli PM bottle caps etc. Those are just a select few recent incidents. No other team even compares. Of course poyz lovers will say the whole world is out to get them, but the truth is they bend rules more than anyone else..by far.

[Dil Dil India]

1 minute ago, Shaz1 said:

Ok they are not recent incidents they happen many years ago. 2010 is literally 9 years ago. Thats old news and you know it. But none of your points dispute the fact that no country in this world is without corruption. By you pointing these incidents out in order to make your country look better makes you look like a hypocrite. Can you really sit there and say India is without any corruption? Can you sit there and say what ever your cricketers have done in the past was done with at-most honesty and integrity for your nation? I am not gonna sit here and defend what ever incidents Pakistan have done. I know and believe they were wrong to do so. But thats not my point. My point is to point out the hypocrisy I see on this forum by putting blame for everything wrong on another nation when you know damn well your nation is not scott free of any of it. Thank you for coming here and proving my point. 

 

 

Are you dense? So 2010s is distant past too?

 

Fine, we'll play it your way. How far back was Yasir Shah's incident? The simple point is Pakistan have been in the news for the wrong reasons FAR MORE than other teams and you know it even if your ego won't let you admit it.

 

Let's take a simple example to highlight the difference in attitude: Ajmal and Hafeez were happily chucking away - when they got banned, Pak fans claimed conspiracy blah blah and Ajmal actually played again after that despite blatantly lying about his supposed deformity. On the other hand, Pragyan Ojha (Indian spinner) was found to be over the limit and he was banned immediately by the BCCI and never played again after that.

 

Claiming that all teams have a chequered past is a strawman - no-one disputes it. You're being disingenuous though in skating over the fact that 1)Pakistan's sheer number of such incidents and 2)their attitude towards them (see Ajmal, etc.) are completely different.

 

Aamir would have NEVER played for India. Therein lies the difference.

[Dil Dil India]

8 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Your claiming Pakistan has been on the news for wrong reasons far more than other teams. While knowing full your country is not scott free. So we are gonna use a dick riding contest to determine which country did worser? This sounds idiotic to me. For one you have no proof we have been on the news far more than any other team. 2. you are being a hypocrite while pointing fingers when your same board has had a player who does not deserve to be in the team playing in your team due to politics. You are once again proving my point that you love to bring up incidents of others when your own country is going through a similar corruption. So yeah lets hate the other cause we need a excuse to hate and hide from our own problems by blaming the other country.

Are you seriously that dense?

 

Yasir Shah breached anti-doping code in 2016 and got banned - claimed he was using his wife's medicines for blood pressure or summat. Come on now, give me an Indian international equivalent in the time period - hell, I'll go easy on you give me anything like that since 2010.

 

WTF @ BOLDED? Who the hell is talking about undeserving selections and team politics? Are you really that daft? We are talking about bringing the game into disrepute like tampering, fixing, drugs, etc and you are talking about team selection goof ups LOL! Thanks, that shows you have nothing to say.

 

I told you - in India no one wants to hide problems. Ojha was found to be breaching the limit - they banned him end of story. Unlike that paindu Ajmal who PCB bent over backwards to help hide his cheating.

 

 

[Dil Dil India]

2 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Lol Dude you do know there is a reason why I am not bothering doing what your doing, cause my original argument was never made to defend these incidents. Nor was it to remind you of the wrongs your team did in World cricket. Thats your thing not mine. I am only pointing out your hypocrisy of blaming other teams when your own team has never been scott free. So I would suggest you stop bring up the past incidents to go against mine when you have no arguments to dispute my original point.

Good, so you have no arguments and you are back pedalling on your rubbish. Your original point makes no sense - it's like comparing one man who committed a crime 50 years go and has since reformed after being punished to another born loser criminal who keeps committing crime after crime knowing his people will do their best to help him get away scott free. Just when I thought Lahori logic couldn't possibly sink to lower depths, you keep plumbing new depths.

[Dil Dil India]

3 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

Its not that I don’t have arguments its just your arguments are meaningless and have nothing to do with my original point. Your busy bring up incidents of Pakistan cricketers when I was never originally defending them. What they did during those times was wrong and they got punished for it. I do not see the point of bring it up when your own country has had a fair share of incidents. Whats more is that your making claims Pakistan has been on the news for wrong reasons far more than any other teams hence why they are bad. You got no proof of that and even if it were true it does not change the fact you have had your own set of bad apples. If your country was some saint nation that does no wrong I would believe you. The fact it is not, its laughable to me that you bring such arguments up in order to make yourself feel you are on the right.

 

 

Since you claim 2010 is distant past - I will make it simple...2015 onwards...give me a list of incidents from other countries. Here are two from land of the pure:

 

1) Yasir Shah anti-doping violation 2016 - BAN

2) Hafeez caught chucking

 

Give me 2 such international India incidents in the same time period or zip it.

Edited July 4, 2019 by beetle

[Dil Dil India]

Just now, Shaz1 said:

I have to give you none cause I am not arguing this. I am not like you. 

Lol translation: I got owned, there are no such incidents.

[jf1gp_1]

Dear Waqar, sure 400+ was too much ask for from pakistan batsman but no intent, no fighting spirit, no josh. Did you throw away the match on purpose ? if yes how much were your player paid ?

[Vijy]

11 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Dear Waqar, sure 400+ was too much ask for from pakistan batsman but no intent, no fighting spirit, no josh. Did you throw away the match on purpose ? if yes how much were your player paid ?

they were too busy chasing individual batting practice apart from babar and imad. should have gone all out for 400, even if it meant getting bundling out for 150 odd in the process.

Edited July 6, 2019 by Vijy

[IndianRenegade]

On 7/3/2019 at 4:11 PM, Shaz1 said:

I have to give you none cause I am not arguing this. I am not like you. 

You were arguing he/others in this forum is/are hypocrite(s) because he accuses Pakistan of certain things that his own country is guilty of. correct? 

 

if thats your argument, then you can't just assert that and make it true. For example, let's say I was caught robbing a store and you call me a robber. And then I end up calling you a hypocrite because you are also a robber without presenting 1 single instance of such an activity. Does that sound like a valid accusation? you might be robber or not, but if I can't name one instance then I am most probably lying.

 

Pls furnish one example as @Dil Dil India requested or stop making this argument.

Edited July 6, 2019 by IndianRenegade
Update

[Deleted_User_1]

On 7/3/2019 at 2:37 AM, Shaz1 said:

Yeah we’ll prepare to beat you in your home after we beat you outside of your home in this World Cup. Hafeez will turn into Bradman, while Bumrah will turn into Ishant Sharma. All due to the pressure of the situation. Prepare to bust some LEDs when we reach semi finals. Till than enjoy your Bears.

See below ... photograph of your kaptaan on his way home!

[Suhaan]

Pakistanis even fake injuries to keep away the inevitable ie thrashing from their own fans when they land in pakistan

Like,Wahab was believed to be having a fractured finger/hand or whatever but played and looked supremely fit,i suppose that has much to do with garnering sympathy, support from fans for what could be termed as a miserable campaign

[IndianRenegade]

1 hour ago, Shaz1 said:

My argument comes from what I see on this forum. He himself proved my point when he generalized Pakistanis and made claims of them being the most corrupt cricketing nation. I have no need to prove anything to anyone cause I never made such a outlandish claim. In fact it is he who needs to provide evidence to his claim. 

 

My evidence is everywhere if you can’t see it than that is on you.

Lol.. you seriously need to go to a logic 101 course. FYI, not one person in this forum has anything to do with with cricket in India other than watching and commenting on Indian cricket. Even if ppl in this forum are criminals that doesn’t make Indian cricket criminals. Also, he didn’t generalize but rather provided specific instances to support his claims. Not only didn’t you address any of them but you claimed he was an hypocrite without any evidence. 

 

If the evidence is everywhere then it should be so easy to provide one instance right? Also you cannot prove a negative, that’s what you are asking him to do. 

[jf1gp_1]

Are pakistanis blind ?

pictures of Imad raising his bat after scoring a 40 are available everywhere. opener praying as if just got out of death sentence speaks volumes about self over team and these people had the audacity to question intent and integrity of indian team.

 

 

[IndianRenegade]

38 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

I intentionally never choose to address any of them because that was not my original complaint. Do you not remember when I said there is no point of pointing fingers at one another cause it does not take it anywhere? Why should I change my original stance and become a hypocrite by doing the exact thing I complained about? I never called anyone here a criminal so stop putting words in my mouth. 

 

He did generalize by saying Pakistan has done the most corrupt things in cricket. So stop defending him. The evidence is in his very post. I am sorry but I am not here to baby you. You not seeing it is your own problem.

Can a person write so many words without adding anything to the discussion , apparently you can! Have a good day. Bye bye 

Edited July 6, 2019 by IndianRenegade

[DGBOSS]

47 minutes ago, Aiden said:

This idiot needs to understand that his team played crap cricket and so did not qualify for the semis. India and the other 3 teams incl NZ made to semis on their merit. 

 

Serial Cheaters giving lectures now !!!!!

[Khota]

India lost to two teams that played final. Those teams were better and Waqar is only talking rubbish.