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5 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Check the Joshua project, numbers in coastal areas and in rural/villages (called Christ villages) where they have converted entire communities. The names remain the same, the caste also the same, except they will be children of yesu.  Crytonadu, very soon

Kanyakumari, Tuticorin belt has turned... even from a security point of view, we cant afford to have the coast manned by unfavorable communities who can be easily riled and turned against the nation

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On 9/7/2020 at 1:16 PM, Gollum said:

Lower caste Christians and Muslims should't get reservation benefits IMO. Those who convert out of Hinduism should be forced to give up benefits availed. Missionaries'  argument for conversion is that Hindus have this oppressive/unjust caste system, then how is it fair that after conversion to 'so called cast-free' Islam/Christianity one still gets to benefit in the name of caste?

listen to this claim. There are a lot of SCs who have converted , but not officially, so they still get reservation benefits. STs who convert still avail the reservation benefits. Evangelists are demanding to extend that to SCs as well. I do believe looking at the number of churches even temple towns like  Udupi, Kanyakumari, Trichi and the clashes between temple authorities and evangelists to preach near temples, I do believe that official stats of 2.5 % is a myth and it could be as high as 20-25%. 

since Cryptos don’t change names and even caste, there is no way to tell the official figures. If we keep our heads in sand and think they are only fringe, it will be too late in the demographic war

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Is there a subset in any religious group that are a bit crazy and go overboard? Yes.

To target Christians who for the overwhelming majority are decent and good citizens is not something I support.  They of the 'turn your other cheek' and 'pay your taxes' and 'obey your secular leaders' cannot be too harmful for any society.

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22 minutes ago, Swag said:

Is there a subset in any religious group that are a bit crazy and go overboard? Yes.

To target Christians who for the overwhelming majority are decent and good citizens is not something I support.  They of the 'turn your other cheek' and 'pay your taxes' and 'obey your secular leaders' cannot be too harmful for any society.


Nobody is advocating target millions of Christians. We need laws against conversion through coercion and deception. Christ villages are created by providing rice bags and water ( through construction of wells) . Christians should oppose such spread of religion which is blessed by the church and evangelical cryptos. 

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8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:


Nobody is advocating target millions of Christians. We need laws against conversion through coercion and deception. Christ villages are created by providing rice bags and water ( through construction of wells) . Christians should oppose such spread of religion which is blessed by the church and evangelical cryptos. 

What's their schtick?  If you convert, you get a bag of rice every so often for life?  And here's a well from which you can only drink if you accept Yesu as your lord and savior? 

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On 9/8/2020 at 5:11 PM, coffee_rules said:

It looks like they hold their caste roots even after converting to Christianity. I have heard the same in AP where caste is held supreme over religion. Strange. 

This is the weirdest thing.  How can one belong to a Hindu caste and be a Christian at the same time?  Defies explanation.  

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Conversion is still taking place but its a very low key affair compared to early mass conversions. I have met three punjabi christians in the last one year period. They all had one thing in common that they didn't change their original names. So unless you could read their whatsapp status you would have never assumed their true faith. Not sure if they genuinely fear the discrimination or they've been instructed to keep a low profile until their community reaches a significant size in their target states.

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1 hour ago, donkey said:

Conversion is still taking place but its a very low key affair compared to early mass conversions. I have met three punjabi christians in the last one year period. They all had one thing in common that they didn't change their original names. So unless you could read their whatsapp status you would have never assumed their true faith. Not sure if they genuinely fear the discrimination or they've been instructed to keep a low profile until their community reaches a significant size in their target states.

They are called Crypto christians.

There is a lot of inducements to convert... may be cash or better social standing but mostly its by brainwashing into believing something that's not in the realms of reality

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I have a radical ( pun unintended) idea here.

 

Religious conversion should be totally free market. There should be no GoI interference at all.

 

Let whoever preach whatever after seeking due permission. Let them market themselves in whatever way.

 

In the long run, it is good for the Indian economy. You already have funds from Vatican sponsored shell companies and those from the Middle East remitted to India to proselytise. Rich NRIs ie the Raj Malhotras, @coffee_rules and such like of the world should also remitt money to Arya Samaj type organizations either as individuals or institutionally to re-convert/ ghar wapsi the converted people. Would be a type of FDI. Obviously any of these conversions/re-conversions would incur a cost. The people who are ready to convert can hence be recipients of various divine 'schemes' for alternatively uttering Hail Mary/ Allah o Akhbar/ Jai Shree Ram/ Sat Sri Akal and improve their material condition and set a higher monetary bar for those seeking converts.

 

:sherlock:

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I have a radical ( pun unintended) idea here.
 
Religious conversion should be totally free market. There should be no GoI interference at all.
 
Let whoever preach whatever after seeking due permission. Let them market themselves in whatever way.
 
In the long run, it is good for the Indian economy. You already have funds from Vatican sponsored shell companies and those from the Middle East remitted to India to proselytise. Rich NRIs ie the Raj Malhotras, [mention=890]coffee_rules[/mention] and such like of the world should also remitt money to Arya Samaj type organizations either as individuals or institutionally to re-convert/ ghar wapsi the converted people. Would be a type of FDI. Obviously any of these conversions/re-conversions would incur a cost. The people who are ready to convert can hence be recipients of various divine 'schemes' for alternatively uttering Hail Mary/ Allah o Akhbar/ Jai Shree Ram/ Sat Sri Akal and improve their material condition and set a higher monetary bar for those seeking converts.
 
:sherlock:
But but..you saw how the libbies cried fascism when 16 families did that wapsi..conversion is always a one way street ,much like secularism ,in India
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2 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said:
50 minutes ago, Mariyam said:
I have a radical ( pun unintended) idea here.
 
Religious conversion should be totally free market. There should be no GoI interference at all.
 
Let whoever preach whatever after seeking due permission. Let them market themselves in whatever way.
 
In the long run, it is good for the Indian economy. You already have funds from Vatican sponsored shell companies and those from the Middle East remitted to India to proselytise. Rich NRIs ie the Raj Malhotras, [mention=890]coffee_rules[/mention] and such like of the world should also remitt money to Arya Samaj type organizations either as individuals or institutionally to re-convert/ ghar wapsi the converted people. Would be a type of FDI. Obviously any of these conversions/re-conversions would incur a cost. The people who are ready to convert can hence be recipients of various divine 'schemes' for alternatively uttering Hail Mary/ Allah o Akhbar/ Jai Shree Ram/ Sat Sri Akal and improve their material condition and set a higher monetary bar for those seeking converts.
 
:sherlock:

But but..you saw how the libbies cried fascism when 16 families did that wapsi..conversion is always a one way street ,much like secularism ,in India

So, the issue is not that conversion is legal.  It is the hypocrisy of how liberals react depending on the direction of the conversion.  How do you stop that? 

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11 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said:
52 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:
So, the issue is not that conversion is legal.  It is the hypocrisy of how liberals react depending on the direction of the conversion.  How do you stop that? 

You can't stop that

So, are we trying to stop the conversions by some legislative means?  That seems like an infringement on the rights of people who want to convert by free will.    

 

It appears that the solution to the problem of conversions is for Hindus to dump their accommodating/non-proselytizing nature and start playing by the rules of the other religions to compete in the conversion market.  

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2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

So, are we trying to stop the conversions by some legislative means?  That seems like an infringement on the rights of people who want to convert by free will.    

 

It appears that the solution to the problem of conversions is for Hindus to dump their accommodating/non-proselytizing nature and start playing by the rules of the other religions to compete in the conversion market.  

 

The bills are to oppose mass conversions like the Christ villages, Jesus Wells,  Joshua Projects and what have you. EU is rejecting evangelicalism. It's only US, Vatican that is running this industry in Africa and Asia. These soul mills starting with Mother Teresa and her ilk, have made it their business of conversions. India opposes it in places like NE, Arunachal where tribals have been converted based on govt declaration that they are not Hindus. Indigenous communities are losing their culture and heritage because of this. The missionaries have to declare their intent to get visas to India. They come on tourist visas and indulge in conversions. These are the things that India can fight by law. This is not about Individuals converting on their own free will.

 

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27 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

The bills are to oppose mass conversions like the Christ villages, Jesus Wells,  Joshua Projects and what have you. EU is rejecting evangelicalism. It's only US, Vatican that is running this industry in Africa and Asia. These soul mills starting with Mother Teresa and her ilk, have made it their business of conversions. India opposes it in places like NE, Arunachal where tribals have been converted based on govt declaration that they are not Hindus. Indigenous communities are losing their culture and heritage because of this. The missionaries have to declare their intent to get visas to India. They come on tourist visas and indulge in conversions. These are the things that India can fight by law. This is not about Individuals converting on their own free will.

 

Even if you don't let them in, what's to stop them from training Indian citizens to do it?  There is a critical mass of X-ians in India who can carry out the work.  

 

With mass conversions, people are being brainwashed or bought out.  They are helpless people looking for some solace and are vulnerable to these forceful groups.  This is really sad.  Are their lives/livelihoods also  being threatened in some way if they don't comply?  What is the objection to Hindu organizations adopting similar tactics to woo them or woo them back?  I think pujaris, mahants etc. must make this happen at the grassroots level with funding from private sources (e.g., super-rich BAPSians can fund it).  

 

Also, declaring whether an individual is a Hindu or X-ian or Muslim should be a individual choice, no?  No govt should be able to declare whether a particular group of people is Hindu or not.  Not even anyone in that tribe/group should be able to do so.  If an individual in a tribe wants to embrace Hinduism, they should freely do it.  

 

 

 

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