Who's 4th best batsman in test cricket?

[Vilander]

Smith

Kohli

Puj

Williamson

Warner

Ross

Root

[cricketfan28]

Root .

[sarcastic]

What about Rahane or Rohit Sharma? Will they come in top 10 atleast?

[Stan AF]

On 8/18/2019 at 1:59 PM, Nikola said:

Williamson is piss poor in eng, sa, india, srilanka till now. People were criticizing kohli for his one failure in 2014 then why not same for kane? just cause he is good guy?

 

C'mon look at your sample size just 4 matches in England (I think he scored a 100 in.lords), 4 matches in SA and 3 in SL. 

 

If I took the first 5 matches of Kohli in England he was averaging 13.6. the sample size is low bro. Give it time and gauge it at the end of his career.

 

I rate Williamson higher as he's technically better. Plays spin better and Scored some hard runs in Dubai and won a series for his team.

[Nikola]

1 hour ago, Stan AF said:

C'mon look at your sample size just 4 matches in England (I think he scored a 100 in.lords), 4 matches in SA and 3 in SL. 

 

If I took the first 5 matches of Kohli in England he was averaging 13.6. the sample size is low bro. Give it time and gauge it at the end of his career.

 

I rate Williamson higher as he's technically better. Plays spin better and Scored some hard runs in Dubai and won a series for his team.

Kane has played cricket for almost decade now and has 5 - 6 more years left. Idk how much more cricket he will play in big countries.

[Sandeep99]

13 hours ago, sarcastic said:

What about Rahane or Rohit Sharma? Will they come in top 10 atleast?

No they would come in the Flop 10.

[rkt.india]

On 8/18/2019 at 11:24 AM, rtmohanlal said:

let us wait and see ... as of now  Root has better balanced record than others in the last baring the 'TOP 3'.

what has root done overseas?

[raki05]

On 8/18/2019 at 12:34 PM, Insidious said:

Root is currently the most overrated player in the world, and also one of the greatest choker ever. His innings in WC final is the real definition of a choker. I am glad that he is not an Indian. Looking at the bashing Kohli is getting, I am sure the whole ICF would have been flooded with Root bashing threads.

 

Why you worry about kohli bashing....he is rightly  bashed...BTW root was not captaining them in wc.

[Insidious]

3 hours ago, raki05 said:

Why you worry about kohli bashing....he is rightly  bashed...BTW root was not captaining them in wc.

I am worried because of continuous bashing kohli is getting in this forum, which is uncalled for and actually degrading the standard of the forum. Kohli is not a good captain in general and should be criticized for not performing in clutch matches. However, continuously bashing your best player everyday is just pathetic.

Root is arguably the greatest choker of current era, who is living a charmed life, because he is English and not an Indian. Otherwise indian fans/media and members in this forum would have shred him apart.

 

[Vilander]

26 minutes ago, Insidious said:

I am worried because of continuous bashing kohli is getting in this forum, which is uncalled for and actually degrading the standard of the forum. Kohli is not a good captain in general and should be criticized for not performing in clutch matches. However, continuously bashing your best player everyday is just pathetic.

Root is arguably the greatest choker of current era, who is living a charmed life, because he is English and not an Indian. Otherwise indian fans/media and members in this forum would have shred him apart.

 

dude ICF is a micro miniscule irrelevant part of Indian fandom, we often over emphasize our own importance unknowingly. Who cares if a bunch of middle age uncles in an ICF forum think whatnot about virat kohli. 

[raki05]

12 hours ago, Insidious said:

I am worried because of continuous bashing kohli is getting in this forum, which is uncalled for and actually degrading the standard of the forum. Kohli is not a good captain in general and should be criticized for not performing in clutch matches. However, continuously bashing your best player everyday is just pathetic.

Root is arguably the greatest choker of current era, who is living a charmed life, because he is English and not an Indian. Otherwise indian fans/media and members in this forum would have shred him apart.

 

And rightly so, btw do you think kohli even care about fans after losing humiliating ct final and dancing with opponent just after opponent fans and player abuses our players. Do you think he cared a slightest bit after his nonsensical selection in every series which costed us big time and disappointment which fans suffered and than mother of all wc sf. He rants about not a strong middle order but just to save his captaincy he (along with rohit and dhwan) is playing every nonsensical bilateral series with wi,sl and bd to boost his avg where he could have easily tried new youngsters for next wc. Kohli is even biggest choker of current era( ( 2 wc sf and ct final) even more than root as he boasts like he is going to boss and win every series but other than uttering nonsense and collecting ads for his brand value he hardly care about anything.

[Insidious]

15 hours ago, raki05 said:

And rightly so, btw do you think kohli even care about fans after losing humiliating ct final and dancing with opponent just after opponent fans and player abuses our players. Do you think he cared a slightest bit after his nonsensical selection in every series which costed us big time and disappointment which fans suffered and than mother of all wc sf. He rants about not a strong middle order but just to save his captaincy he (along with rohit and dhwan) is playing every nonsensical bilateral series with wi,sl and bd to boost his avg where he could have easily tried new youngsters for next wc. Kohli is even biggest choker of current era( ( 2 wc sf and ct final) even more than root as he boasts like he is going to boss and win every series but other than uttering nonsense and collecting ads for his brand value he hardly care about anything.

A typical reply which only demonstrate blind hatred for Kohli without any context logic or meaning. Kindly tell us which are the nonsensical selection of Kohli that cost us big-time. Talking about giving chances to youngster, he has given chances to pant and Iyer at no.4 & 5 respectively. Both are youngsters.  He has every right to play every bilateral series he want. Him not playing, or Rohit not playing or Dhawan not playing , will not solve the issue of middle order. Let say a  youngster get a chance to play in place of Rohit/Kohli at the top order and also score runs, does it means he will also be good at middle order. And Kohli had a lean patch in WC and had every right to play odi series against WI to retain back his form for test match championship, which should be his primary goal.

 

And lol at Kohli being the biggest choker. Give Root a 300+ chase against any opponent in WC semifinal/final, and he would ran away with tail between his legs. No Batsman in the world can chase 300+ runs in a WC semi/final. So accusing Kohli as a choker for that is totally uncalled for. However, Kohli did fail against NZ and was rightfully criticized. But he failed against a world class bowler like Boult under the conditions which highly favored the bowler. But the same couldn't be said about the greatest choker the world has ever seen i.e. Root, who struggled against a dibbly dobbly trundler like CDG while playing in his home conditions. Let's not forget about test cricket, the ultimate format to judge a player. And we know who choke every time after scoring just a fifty there, and who leads from the front.

 

BTW people, who criticize Kohli for CT final in 2017, used to forget that is only knockout game in champions trophy  he failed. In 2013 CT semis and final and 2017 CT semi-final he had scored runs. 

 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2019 by Insidious

[raki05]

10 hours ago, Insidious said:

A typical reply which only demonstrate blind hatred for Kohli without any context logic or meaning. Kindly tell us which are the nonsensical selection of Kohli that cost us big-time. Talking about giving chances to youngster, he has given chances to pant and Iyer at no.4 & 5 respectively. Both are youngsters.  He has every right to play every bilateral series he want. Him not playing, or Rohit not playing or Dhawan not playing , will not solve the issue of middle order. Let say a  youngster get a chance to play in place of Rohit/Kohli at the top order and also score runs, does it means he will also be good at middle order. And Kohli had a lean patch in WC and had every right to play odi series against WI to retain back his form for test match championship, which should be his primary goal.

 

And lol at Kohli being the biggest choker. Give Root a 300+ chase against any opponent in WC semifinal/final, and he would ran away with tail between his legs. No Batsman in the world can chase 300+ runs in a WC semi/final. So accusing Kohli as a choker for that is totally uncalled for. However, Kohli did fail against NZ and was rightfully criticized. But he failed against a world class bowler like Boult under the conditions which highly favored the bowler. But the same couldn't be said about the greatest choker the world has ever seen i.e. Root, who struggled against a dibbly dobbly trundler like CDG while playing in his home conditions. Let's not forget about test cricket, the ultimate format to judge a player. And we know who choke every time after scoring just a fifty there, and who leads from the front.

 

BTW people, who criticize Kohli for CT final in 2017, used to forget that is only knockout game in champions trophy  he failed. In 2013 CT semis and final and 2017 CT semi-final he had scored runs. 

 

 

 

ok so let's start the with the selction blunders from start:

 

1) In SL test sereis... he droppes pujara saying he is slow in approach and played rohit. we lost the match , pujara came in very next match opened the inning and carried his bat when everyone inluding your god falls like a no man and helped india win that series.

2) Against aus home series we all know how he choked couldn't able to score a single 50. Rahul,rahane and pujara helped us win that series which otherwise would have been a real humiliation. Its the same series where he never wanted to give chance to kuldeep and literally have a bitter conflict with kumble , what happpened later is rahaney captained in one match played kuldip and he not just won motm also won the match and series for india.

3) Against SA in 2018 series he played perrenial failure in test again ahead of Rahane and he failed as usual and we lost first 2 test. Broght back Rahane in third test who made cruicial 47 in 3rd inning and we won that match.

4) During eng test series in 2nd test on the greenest of pitch he played 2 spinners which even surprised the cheerleaders commies like smg and manju. Despite being in good condition and bringing eng down to some 120-5 we couldn't able to take them down and the made 396 in first inning and our spinner din't take a single wkt and rightly so as it was a seaming/swinging pitch.

 

These are some for your reference on top of it their arrogant nature that they don't need  match practise before crucial overseas series where we din't play any practise match and in one of the tour they cancelled the practice  match and played beach volleyball.

 

Talking about choking in test at home. What he did in test against the best 2 bowling attack aus and sa during home series. I remember he couldn't able to score even a 30 where smith made century for fun. And choking in wc sf/final. How many sf/final root has played and root is anyway not known for his loi exploit like kohli where later has tauted as goat but whenever a crucial final and sf comes he doesn't even show some fight but run hiding his tail behined his ass and first to start the collapse. BTW whenever you play sf of final you hardly get a weak balling attack so not sure what do you mean by he got good bowler are you saying he can score against only weak ballers and in biletral where most of team don't play their frontline ballers like sa and aus did against us in biletral series.

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by raki05

[raki05]

There are some so called  young (though they themselves are geriatric) fuddus on icf who has always a problem if someone criticize a current players they idiolize where as these same chomus  consider their birth right to criticize a player retired in decades ago and still create thread about them and their families. Please note you may have difference of opinion and you get itching on your backside to do name calling i don't care, but don't act like hypocrites and better to debate one on one than acting like a proxy for someone.