zen Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, diga said: That 27* not out in the 2nd test paved the way for promotion to no-3 That was 1st test though .... click on the link to access scorecard diga 1 Link to comment
zen Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Donald took 53 wkts avg 31, sr 61 in 14 matches vs Aus and Mcgrath took 57 wkts avg 27, sr 71 in 17 matches vs Sa. While bowling to a stronger Aus batting line up w/o a spinner like Warne! As I said before, SA was more worried about Warne, who took a bucket load of wkts. When Warne used to come on, the stadium used to become quiet at times in SA Link to comment
zen Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) Stats for fun .... Country: Avg, SR vs Aus: 31, 62 Donald (vs. a stronger Aus side w/o the likes of Warne) vs SA: 27, 72 McGrath vs Eng Donald: 23, 45 McGrath: 21,46 vs Ind Donald: 17, 44 McGrath: 19, 50 vs NZ Donald: 22, 51 McGrath: 25, 60 vs Pak Donald: 22, 40 McGrath: 22, 48 vs SL Donald: 19, 43 McGrath: 22, 49 vs. WI Donald: 21, 43 McGrath: 19, 50 Edited April 4, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Nikola Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Quote vs Aus: 31, 62 Donald vs SA: 27, 72 McGrath Adv: Donald as he bowled to a stronger Aus side w/o Warne Aus wasn't even best side it was just starting to get beast around the time of his retirement. If McGrath had warne then SA had Pollock along with kallis/klusener as all rounders to share the workload. Quote vs Eng Donald: 23, 45 McGrath: 21,46 Both bowled to avg eng side for most part of their career but mcgrath in 2005 & 06/07 faced way way better eng side. Quote vs Ind Donald: 17, 44 McGrath: 19, 50 Adv: Donald Useless Stat imo. Donald bowled to Avg Indian side while McGrath has bowled to Indian side in 2001 & 2004 which had Dravid, VVS, Sehwag, Ganguly at peak. Donald also bowled against indian batsman in SA conditions where our batsman have mostly failed unlike in Aus. Quote vs SL Donald: 19, 43 McGrath: 22, 49 Adv: Donald SL got better towards the end of 90s and Mcgrath surely faced better team in late 90s till his retirement. You can't just put up stats and say who was better as there isn't huge difference. Don't forget mcgrath has most wickets in icc worldcups and he was part of 3 consecutive worldcup winning squad and played four worldcup finals in his career. Having warne at other end will be dream for most bowlers but that also means he didn't get more wickets & fifers. Link to comment
zen Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Don't quote me with pointless posts 25 minutes ago, Nikola said: Aus wasn't even best side it was just starting to get beast around the time of his retirement. Wrong. In matches involving Donald, Aus had a stronger batting line up View overall figures [change view] Primary team South Africa Opposition team Australia or South Africa Involving all of the players AA Donald (SA) or GD McGrath (AUS) Batting position between 1 and 7 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 8 of 8 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s BM McMillan 1994-1998 6 10 1 358 84 39.77 963 37.17 0 4 0 37 0 WJ Cronje 1994-1998 8 14 1 493 88 37.92 1233 39.98 0 4 2 56 3 JN Rhodes 1994-1997 4 7 1 220 78 36.66 617 35.65 0 2 0 23 1 AC Hudson 1994-1997 4 7 0 248 102 35.42 539 46.01 1 1 2 35 0 AM Bacher 1997-1998 4 8 0 244 96 30.50 732 33.33 0 1 0 25 1 JH Kallis 1997-2002 8 15 0 412 101 27.46 1157 35.60 1 1 1 36 1 G Kirsten 1994-2002 11 21 0 568 153 27.04 1633 34.78 1 2 3 63 0 HH Gibbs 1997-2002 5 10 0 251 54 25.10 581 43.20 0 1 0 37 0 View overall figures [change view] Primary team Australia Opposition team Australia or South Africa Involving all of the players AA Donald (SA) or GD McGrath (AUS) Batting position between 1 and 7 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 12 of 12 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AC Gilchrist 2001-2002 3 3 2 268 204* 268.00 330 81.21 1 0 0 26 8 DR Martyn 1994-2002 4 5 0 367 133 73.40 671 54.69 2 2 0 40 0 JL Langer 2001-2002 3 5 1 276 126 69.00 454 60.79 1 1 0 39 1 SR Waugh 1994-2002 10 13 1 813 160 67.75 1826 44.52 1 7 0 104 0 ML Hayden 1997-2002 6 10 2 453 138 56.62 834 54.31 3 0 2 60 4 MJ Slater 1994-1994 3 6 1 277 95 55.40 653 42.41 0 2 0 26 0 RT Ponting 1997-2002 5 7 1 274 105 45.66 549 49.90 1 1 0 29 1 DC Boon 1994-1994 3 6 1 220 96 44.00 557 39.49 0 1 0 26 0 GS Blewett 1997-1998 5 8 0 331 214 41.37 843 39.26 1 0 1 44 0 ME Waugh 1994-2002 11 16 1 597 116 39.80 1187 50.29 3 1 1 80 2 MTG Elliott 1997-1998 5 8 0 221 85 27.62 530 41.69 0 1 0 32 1 MA Taylor 1994-1998 8 14 0 301 70 21.50 950 31.68 0 2 0 22 0 Quote If McGrath had warne then SA had Pollock along with kallis/klusener as all rounders to share the workload. Comparing Warne, an ATG bowler, with Kallis/Klusener! Warme picked up like 60+ wkts in matches involving Donald and McGrath Quote You can't just put up stats and say who was better as there isn't huge difference. Don't forget mcgrath has most wickets in icc worldcups and he was part of 3 consecutive worldcup winning squad and played four worldcup finals in his career. Having warne at other end will be dream for most bowlers but that also means he didn't get more wickets & fifers. This is about test matches .... As I said, don't quote me with such posts. it wastes my time to read it Link to comment
diga Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 hours ago, zen said: That was 1st test though .... click on the link to access scorecard ohh ok.. Forgot about it Link to comment
zen Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, diga said: ohh ok.. Forgot about it Old memories, at times, can be like trying to fit a puzzle Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I loved the way Donald bowled out and out aggression. He is more likely to run through sides on his day. I still remember the Durban test in 1996 But overall performance wise (which also includes less injuries and less complicated bowling action) Mcgrath is better. If I had to choose between the two, I would chose Mcgrath over Donald. Until the end of the 90s, Donald was much more feared compared to Mcgrath. In the 99 wc, when analysing Aus vs SA matchups, commentators were saying SA has the edge in bowling while Aus had the edge in batting. Donald bowled hostile spells, hit more batsmen and I was to watch him against India. Compared to him, atleast in my younger days, mcgrath's deliveries looked easy especially against sachin in home conditions. But now that I know better and also hearing from Dravid about how difficult it was mentally to face mcgrath over and over again, I know he was scary in his own way. Mcgrath didnt hit many batsmen and didnt bowl as fast as Donald. But he bowled with metronomic accuracy and combined with Warne made Aus unbeatable. Also Mcgrath was a little younger than Donald. Hence Donald's career petered away quickly than mcgrath's Link to comment
FischerTal Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) Sachin against peak Donald. I dont think he ever played such an innings against Mcgrath. Edited April 5, 2020 by FischerTal Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 4 hours ago, FischerTal said: Sachin against peak Donald. I dont think he ever played such an innings against Mcgrath. Capetown is the most batting friendly pitch in SA. No wonder Sachin and Azhar (who was weak against the short ball) scored centuries there. Ironically its also SA's favorite hunting ground. Sachin also scored a century against Mcgrath in 1999 in MCG which provides an even contest between bat and ball. Link to comment
zen Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) oh boy, some Indians overrate Tendulkar, based on that overrate McGrath .... what's next Murali > Warne, because Tendulkar has a relatively higher avg when Warne is playing when both Tendulkar and Mcgrath are playing View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Involving all of the players GD McGrath (AUS) or SR Tendulkar (INDIA) Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 3 of 3 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s VVS Laxman 1999-2004 8 16 0 809 281 50.56 1327 60.96 2 4 1 131 0 SR Tendulkar 1996-2004 9 18 0 662 126 36.77 1203 55.02 2 5 2 84 4 R Dravid 1996-2004 9 17 1 552 180 34.50 1551 35.58 1 1 1 59 2 On the other hand, Lara has smashed an attack with McGrath: View overall figures [change view] Primary team West Indies Involving all of the players BC Lara (ICC/WI) or GD McGrath (AUS) Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s BC Lara 1995-2005 23 44 2 2000 226 47.61 3351 59.68 6 7 4 267 17 CL Hooper 1995-1999 11 19 1 596 102 33.11 1245 47.87 1 3 0 75 3 S Chanderpaul 1996-2005 11 21 1 637 104 31.85 1534 41.52 1 4 1 60 1 SL Campbell 1995-2001 15 30 2 681 113 24.32 2039 33.39 2 3 5 89 0 JC Adams 1995-2001 18 33 6 619 94 22.92 1823 33.95 0 2 7 63 0 PS when Donald is in the attack: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Involving all of the players AA Donald (SA) or SR Tendulkar (INDIA) Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 2 of 2 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s M Azharuddin 1992-2000 10 18 0 611 115 33.94 841 72.65 3 2 0 86 5 SR Tendulkar 1992-2000 11 20 0 658 169 32.90 1430 46.01 2 2 1 98 3 View overall figures [change view] Primary team West Indies Involving all of the players AA Donald (SA) or BC Lara (ICC/WI) Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 3 of 3 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s RD Jacobs 1998-2001 9 18 6 631 113* 52.58 1342 47.01 1 4 2 74 8 BC Lara 1992-2001 10 20 0 681 83 34.05 1415 48.12 0 6 1 103 3 CL Hooper 1998-2001 9 18 1 557 86 32.76 1361 40.92 0 5 0 60 2 Edited April 5, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Nikola Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, zen said: oh boy, Indians overrate Tendulkar, based on that overrate McGrath .... what's next Murali > Warne, because Tendulkar has a relatively higher avg when Warne is playing So you posting lara's stats against mcgrath makes sense? what's next kumble > mcgrath, because lara failed against kumble and scored against mcgrath Quote based on that overrate McGrath Dude you yourself overrated hacks like hardik pandya and call tendulkar and mcgrath overrated? Wow. You make pujara look like he is don bradman of this era. All guys above are overrated as well. Edited April 5, 2020 by Nikola Clarke 1 Link to comment
zen Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Nikola said: So you posting lara's stats against mcgrath makes sense? what's next kumble > mcgrath, because lara failed against kumble and scored against mcgrath Is that what you understood .... as I said, don't waste my time by quoting my posts with random comments (time wasting posters like you are like on my unofficial block list i.e. I have stopped reading your posts unless I get quoted) Edited April 5, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Nikola Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, zen said: Is that what you understood .... as I said, don't waste my time by quoting my posts with some random comment (time wasting posters like you are like on my unofficial block list i.e. I do not read your posts unless I get quoted) I literally don't care if you read or not i am just posting here what i feel is i should. Forum is open for all to post. Link to comment
zen Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 Just now, Nikola said: I literally don't care if you read or not i am just posting here what i feel is i should. Forum is open for all to post. Don't quote posts that you do not have the ability to understand .... just displays your undereducation Link to comment
Nikola Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, zen said: Don't quote posts that you do not have the ability to understand .... just displays your undereducation Didn't even quote post you yesterday yet you quoted me. On 4/4/2020 at 12:38 PM, zen said: Don't quote me with pointless posts Edited April 5, 2020 by Nikola Link to comment
zen Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Nikola said: Didn't even quote post you yesterday yet you quoted me. while skimming through the thread, I noticed my post was quoted and then I looked into it further Edited April 5, 2020 by zen Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 5 hours ago, zen said: oh boy, some Indians overrate Tendulkar, based on that overrate McGrath .... what's next Murali > Warne, because Tendulkar has a relatively higher avg when Warne is playing when both Tendulkar and Mcgrath are playing View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Involving all of the players GD McGrath (AUS) or SR Tendulkar (INDIA) Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 3 of 3 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s VVS Laxman 1999-2004 8 16 0 809 281 50.56 1327 60.96 2 4 1 131 0 SR Tendulkar 1996-2004 9 18 0 662 126 36.77 1203 55.02 2 5 2 84 4 R Dravid 1996-2004 9 17 1 552 180 34.50 1551 35.58 1 1 1 59 2 On the other hand, Lara has smashed an attack with McGrath: View overall figures [change view] Primary team West Indies Involving all of the players BC Lara (ICC/WI) or GD McGrath (AUS) Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s BC Lara 1995-2005 23 44 2 2000 226 47.61 3351 59.68 6 7 4 267 17 CL Hooper 1995-1999 11 19 1 596 102 33.11 1245 47.87 1 3 0 75 3 S Chanderpaul 1996-2005 11 21 1 637 104 31.85 1534 41.52 1 4 1 60 1 SL Campbell 1995-2001 15 30 2 681 113 24.32 2039 33.39 2 3 5 89 0 JC Adams 1995-2001 18 33 6 619 94 22.92 1823 33.95 0 2 7 63 0 PS when Donald is in the attack: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Involving all of the players AA Donald (SA) or SR Tendulkar (INDIA) Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 2 of 2 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s M Azharuddin 1992-2000 10 18 0 611 115 33.94 841 72.65 3 2 0 86 5 SR Tendulkar 1992-2000 11 20 0 658 169 32.90 1430 46.01 2 2 1 98 3 View overall figures [change view] Primary team West Indies Involving all of the players AA Donald (SA) or BC Lara (ICC/WI) Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 3 of 3 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s RD Jacobs 1998-2001 9 18 6 631 113* 52.58 1342 47.01 1 4 2 74 8 BC Lara 1992-2001 10 20 0 681 83 34.05 1415 48.12 0 6 1 103 3 CL Hooper 1998-2001 9 18 1 557 86 32.76 1361 40.92 0 5 0 60 2 no question of over rating Sachin here.... it is just that, all factors combined Sachin edges out Lara for me. These type of stat filters are only one among several aspects in these one one comparisons. Link to comment
zen Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: no question of over rating Sachin here.... it is just that, all factors combined Sachin edges out Lara for me. These type of stat filters are only one among several aspects in these one one comparisons. The point is on the folly of using Sachin (or broadly speaking one batsman) to judge bowlers (and, conversely, just one bowler to judge batsmen). Considering Sachin as the yardstick is overating him. The example of Lara, who I would pick in tests b/w the two, shows that using another great batsman could yield different results for bowlers. To try to judge players in this fashion, one would need to create a basket of bowlers or batsmen (having both Donald and McGrath as bowlers, or Lara and Sachin as batsmen for bowlers, in the mix would be an example of some kind of a basket) Edited April 5, 2020 by zen Link to comment
rkt.india Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Donald isn't far behind any. Even Ambrose isn't clear cut above all. Ambrose averages 20 but SR of 52, Donald avg 22 but SR of 45. Donald also has slightly better fifers to innings ratio Link to comment
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now