WHO failure - has to bear some responsibility

[Gollum]

15 minutes ago, someone said:

Thats some stupidity. RW is a western term with connotations related to their history, western universalism. Its not apt with Indian context and our unique history, and thus, our own words and narrative are necessary.

So what if it is a western term? We can always Indianize it, we shouldn't fight everything west (English language too falls in that category, as does scientific knowhow), rather fine tune in Indian context. Needn't ape the west completely, we can come up with our own reference for opposite side, no question of defensive mode. 

[someone]

30 minutes ago, Gollum said:

So what if it is a western term? We can always Indianize it, we shouldn't fight everything west (English language too falls in that category, as does scientific knowhow), rather fine tune in Indian context. Needn't ape the west completely, we can come up with our own reference for opposite side, no question of defensive mode. 

Because we aren't strong enough. Its part of a larger problem. Our own entire studies, humanities is through western lenses and bias. And thus, we face constant burden of guilt and always defensive mode. Talk Hinduism and caste is first question , and thus, by default, our position is always weak.

 

RW is a similar trap as with such term, one cannot influence or be taken seriously. Also, do realise in India, our root problems are related to foreign nexus and thus, its a global battle...

 

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by someone

[FischerTal]

4 hours ago, Clarke said:

Can the US under Dr Trump block it's funds or force reform ?

Lindsay graham said on fox that as chair of senate appropriations commitee, he will not allow funds for WHO until it’s current leadership is replaced. Also, he wrote a bipartisan letter with Senator Booker criticizing the leadership of WHO, so it’s not just trump. 

[chewy]

Just like terrorism and other multi-national activities, countries will need 'virus watchers' or medical spies stationed around China, first sign of canary chirping, ban all flights and trade from China, and maybe even other international flights...something along the drastic quick steps Taiwan took, but WHO tight lipped to praise or even recognise 

[coffee_rules]

14 hours ago, Gollum said:

@coffee_rules I hate WA Uni because of the stupid claims, aversion to facts and conspiracy theories. Dharmic  RW must be more refined, make its place in academia and rely on factual dissection of opponents rather than gossip or far-fetched theories. We must evolve, be sophisticated, form a credible intellectual base to take on the might of LW intelligentsia which dominates not just India but most of the civilized world. We must put forth our vision and pov rather than trying to play childish games. While these may annoy LW crybabies and provide some short term (electoral) benefits we need to be more ambitious and tenable. 

My point was , esp in the Nehru saga with SC seat, it is not as black and white. You can't make a conclusion as @Stradlater is concluding that it is a chaddi conspiracy against Nehru. A lot of Nehru files were hidden by erstwhile USSR, INC and the likes, so even western experts are divided. Yes, there is no one document or letter that shows Nehru has signed and said I reject the seat even though it is offered, if you are looking for one neither is one letter from Nehru claiming there was no offer from USSR or USA for a support of SC seat. His policies were for the times and were bad for India. I don't know how you conclude NAM was the only viable option for India at that time. NAM was seen as an extension of Warsaw pact, as simple as that. CCP was wary of any tags and played their game with Russia and USA in the cold war. They were as weak as India at that time. We only needed a strong leader. Nehru's FP was drafted by Krishna Menon who was a card-carrying memeber of communism in India. Naturally, he was favoring China at that time. Nehru's ways of handling Kashmir is not a chaddi fantasy as well. 

 

Regarding RW/LW, it is incorrect in India's context, BJP is as LW when it is w.r.t to economic policies as are all parties. They still favor public sector enterprise and government handouts. Call it Dharmic v/s Adharmic :-). BJP is not even Dharmic. But the RW intelligentsia you talk of has no real power. Hence, the only option we have for now is BJP/NDA. We need to work with a lot of center/moderate people who see the ways of the LW as wrong. Hence, it is OK (imo) to go along Trumpers or Boris or even Putin to bring the Left to it's irrelevance. 

 

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by coffee_rules

[Gollum]

52 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Regarding RW/LW, it is incorrect in India's context, BJP is as LW when it is w.r.t to economic policies as are all parties.

Yup true, BJP has a socialist outlook when it comes to economic policies.  Not much difference between Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh and CITU.

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Call it Dharmic v/s Adharmic :-). BJP is not even Dharmic. But the RW intelligentsia you talk of has no real power. Hence, the only option we have for now is BJP/NDA. We need to work with a lot of center/moderate people who see the ways of the LW as wrong. Hence, it is OK (imo) to go along Trumpers or Boris or even Putin to bring the Left to it's irrelevance.

That is what it has to morph into, RW India as dharmic India. Our intellegentsia is very weak and it annoys me to see the current batch of BJP/RSS leaders neglecting it, look at how our HRD ministry is functioning !!! We will have to pay a dear price if things don't start moving fast in this area. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Gollum

[someone]

5 hours ago, Gollum said:

Yup true, BJP has a socialist outlook when it comes to economic policies.  Not much difference between Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh and CITU.

That is what it has to morph into, RW India as dharmic India. Our intellegentsia is very weak and it annoys me to see the current batch of BJP/RSS leaders neglecting it, look at how our HRD ministry is functioning !!! We will have to pay a dear price if things don't start moving fast in this area. 

Why don't you do intelligentsia part instead of always pointing towards others? The initiative starts with each individuals, temples. And I suggest you to check Rajiv Malhotra.