randomGuy Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Lengthy lockdown will kill more people than Covid: NR Narayana Murthy "This Is Fascist, Not Democratic": Elon Musk On Coronavirus Lockdown Coronavirus impact | Govt should lift lockdown entirely or face implications: Axis Bank CEO
randomGuy Posted April 30, 2020 Author Posted April 30, 2020 Another round of lockdown will be devastating, says Raghuram Rajan
randomGuy Posted April 30, 2020 Author Posted April 30, 2020 Mahindra group chairman Anand Mahindra on Tuesday suggested a "comprehensive" lifting of lockdown after 49 days, saying the industrial recovery will be painfully slow if the government goes for “sequential opening" of different parts of the country.
veer Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Unfortunately.. choices are losses of lives or Economic losses which will directly impact lives as well..
randomGuy Posted April 30, 2020 Author Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, veer said: Unfortunately.. choices are losses of lives or Economic losses which will directly impact lives as well.. Ghana a country of 3 cr people, warm weather, ended lockdown 10 days back, 16 deaths overall from covid19 till now... just google. We should be looking at the likes of African countries and Pakistan ... warm weather, BCG , whatever it is virus doesn't seem to be causing damage here I am kind of disappointed as imo we did not follow evidence based approach. This virus was not getting completely stopped through lockdown. It keeps coming back and we have to learn to exist with it. IMO, lockdown should have been removed totally on 15th April. Edited April 30, 2020 by randomGuy
The Dark Horse Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Problem is we don't have a strategy even after 40 days of lockdown - both economically and socially. How long can we continue doing the same thing, yet expect results?
Clarke Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Loss of life in lockdown is very avoidable. Getting food & essentials to all shouldn't be a mars mission.
Clarke Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 2 hours ago, randomGuy said: Lengthy lockdown will kill more people than Covid: NR Narayana Murthy "This Is Fascist, Not Democratic": Elon Musk On Coronavirus Lockdown Coronavirus impact | Govt should lift lockdown entirely or face implications: Axis Bank CEO There will be plenty of comments from healthcare practitioners as well in favor of the lockdown. I agree that there has to be a rational approach but what you've been stating overall in terms of minimal risk to Indian is based on some anecdotes. The eggheads at ICMR would be in a better position to make conclusions from the available data and drive policy updates.
randomGuy Posted April 30, 2020 Author Posted April 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Clarke said: There will be plenty of comments from healthcare practitioners as well in favor of the lockdown. I agree that there has to be a rational approach but what you've been stating overall in terms of minimal risk to Indian is based on some anecdotes. The eggheads at ICMR would be in a better position to make conclusions from the available data and drive policy updates. It is basically countries in 1 billion population affected majorly vs 5 billion affected relatively minimally. I don't think we can say it's anecdotal when viral spread in entire world population is supporting this cold vs warm differentiation 1 billion is mainly cold and ravaged - Europe, cold parts of North America like Newyork, Qom of Iran (Feb March was cold), Wuhan of China (again during winters) Vs. 5 billion warm, with relatively negligible harm - entire African continent (1000 deaths only) , South Asia (India, Pakistan BD etc.) Asean (Vietnam, combodia, Thailand, Indonesia etc.), South America, warm parts of North America -Texas , Mexico etc The correct metric to look at is deaths per million population. It is available on worldometer.
Clarke Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 ^ all I can say is I wish ur right and the experts conclude the same.
Sachinism Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Imagine that Wealth hoaders upset about not being able to hoard more wealth Scientists say no clear evidence of hotter weather reducing impact of coronavirus ICF user destroys the scientific community by looking at one chart
randomGuy Posted April 30, 2020 Author Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Sachinism said: Imagine that Wealth hoaders upset about not being able to hoard more wealth Scientists say no clear evidence of hotter weather reducing impact of coronavirus ICF user destroys the scientific community by looking at one chart Is it just the wealth hoarders? shopkeeper, small business owners will tell the same thing. On first day of lockdown -24th March , 74 cases recorded in India, today 1500-2000 cases recorded every day. 30k recorded cases - for all we know, the actual number with the virus or the antibodies could be anything - 3 lac, 30 lac, 3 cr ...we don't know, only thing we know - it would be multiple times higher. Brings the question of ultimate effectiveness of lockdown. Raises Questions on actual death rate - could be drastically lower. Brings the question of cost vs. benefit of the lockdowns (particularly for a warm country imo). Edited April 30, 2020 by randomGuy
YCCC Posted May 3, 2020 Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) I think from a uk perspective we should now be able to choose what we do. Many people support the lockdown as they are currently getting financial support from the government and a lot of people are actually scared. Even my parents who are usually cool about things and were saying it wasn’t a threat when it first arrived in the UK. In my case my place of work is still open so I have to go there every day still, I live on my own so pose no danger to any family members and am young and in good health. Those that want to stay at home still can. Those that want to get on with life should now be able to do so now that the infection rate in the uk is coming down Edited May 3, 2020 by YCCC
LordPrabhzy Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 1:30 PM, YCCC said: I think from a uk perspective we should now be able to choose what we do. Many people support the lockdown as they are currently getting financial support from the government and a lot of people are actually scared. Even my parents who are usually cool about things and were saying it wasn’t a threat when it first arrived in the UK. In my case my place of work is still open so I have to go there every day still, I live on my own so pose no danger to any family members and am young and in good health. Those that want to stay at home still can. Those that want to get on with life should now be able to do so now that the infection rate in the uk is coming down I agree, and i think the direct consequence of this is a change in people's attitude or in some cases a formalised change in corporate policy to minimise risk of another peak. - If you work from an office or in a sector, do you NEED to go in the office? If not then continue to work from home as much as possible. This will have a positive effect on rush hour traffic as more people are staying at home. - if you have the cold or flu, do you NEED to go into work and potentially infect others? Businesses and firms everywhere in the world need to be flexible with their staff to allow home working or sick leave to minimise the risk of infection spreading - Better cleanliness and hygiene routines by firms and individuals, esp the British habit of putting a food item on the table or a table top directly between eating without knowing if the surface is actually clean.
G_B_ Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 4/30/2020 at 8:01 AM, randomGuy said: Another round of lockdown will be devastating, says Raghuram Rajan when did this happen? In late February he said. Fight coronavirus first, worry about stimulus later: Raghuraram Rajan .. Read more at:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/74373014.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
YCCC Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 2 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: I agree, and i think the direct consequence of this is a change in people's attitude or in some cases a formalised change in corporate policy to minimise risk of another peak. - If you work from an office or in a sector, do you NEED to go in the office? If not then continue to work from home as much as possible. This will have a positive effect on rush hour traffic as more people are staying at home. - if you have the cold or flu, do you NEED to go into work and potentially infect others? Businesses and firms everywhere in the world need to be flexible with their staff to allow home working or sick leave to minimise the risk of infection spreading - Better cleanliness and hygiene routines by firms and individuals, esp the British habit of putting a food item on the table or a table top directly between eating without knowing if the surface is actually clean. Ha ha never actually noticed that habit but now you mention it I realise I’ve seen and done it many times
kosingh Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 These business heads should start using public transport in India to get to work in order to convince people that it's time to open up.
randomGuy Posted May 6, 2020 Author Posted May 6, 2020 1 minute ago, kosingh said: These business heads should start using public transport in India to get to work in order to convince people that it's time to open up. https://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/public-transport-may-resume-soon-with-guidelines-nitin-gadkari/articleshow/75576312.cms ^^It's returning soon. This is what I mean....try n normalise as much as possible...every decision must be evidence based. Sweden never closed schools. Germany also reopening schools. Under-20 age group covid19 fatality rate is extremely less.
randomGuy Posted May 6, 2020 Author Posted May 6, 2020 Although I must add, government has done brilliant by not allowing public transport without social distancing. It must be enforced everywhere till a vaccine or a treatment is found. Extremely crucial.
Manny_Pacquiao Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 Lockdown is about saving lives, first and foremost. Business can wait. But on a micro-level, its about changing habits and introducing a new way of life. Teaching uneducated masses about hygiene. Giving citizens a sense of how to live without traveling and spending needlessly. Encouraging corporations to change operational procedures by allowing people to work from home. The result: less traffic, less population density, self-motivated cleanliness, and beautiful weather. From a governance stand-point, its also about identifying citizens and illegals, enforcing the law, bringing them direct subsidies through online platforms, and having them register for the NPR, which will eventually serve as the data for the NRC. Lockdown will create a stronger, more authoritative government. I don't think the major cities in india will EVER return to life pre-lockdown. They will remain 'red zones' and all travel and activity will continue as currently regulated. This is the new normal. And frankly, you guys should be happy. Your quality of life will improve.
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