Indian Batsmen averaging close to 60 in Test cricket

[New guy]

16 hours ago, zen said:

Dream on! .... If he could avg 60 playing in the top order in tests, he would line up to bat there like in ODIs 

Sorry was a typo, I meant to say he would have averaged over 70 playing in the top order 

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[New guy]

8 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

 

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[New guy]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Don't agree with everything he posts but respect to @zen for being one man army against the brigade of Sachinstas, excellent  technique 

 

Yes and he gets very innovative with it. I still remember the time he came up with a system called RPT (runs per tests) to measure how good batsmen are.  It was very well thought out too and a detailed post supporting it

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[New guy]

8 hours ago, zen said:

It is even difficult to imagine him opening in tests .... Images like below begin to flash in mind 

 

 

Sachin getting out to a new bowler has happened since forever. Akhtar did what Olanga or naseer Hussain did, nothing more

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[Gollum]

38 minutes ago, New guy said:

Yes and he gets very innovative with it. I still remember the time he came up with a system called RPT (runs per tests) to measure how good batsmen are.  It was very well thought out too and a detailed post supporting it

If a player is discussed so frequently and passionately 7-8 years after retirement, his career/stats/flaws dissected so much that already puts that player on a higher pedestal. People don't care about lesser tier ATGs, but something attracts them towards GOAT contenders, take that as a compliment.

 

For most of my life I was a Federer fanatic and the number of statistical parameters, mental gymnastics, variables, intangibles, absurd filters etc some folks on the tennis forum used to deploy to downplay him, ICF is nothing in comparison. Not that I disagreed with some of the counterpoints reg Fed but sometimes felt like hatred when I was younger and emotional, not the case now. I am a big fan of Djokovic and he gets similar, often unreasonable criticism and attention (not in a positive way) from naysayers and a certain section (dominated by upper class Western fans). But same people have never and will never subject a Sampras, Borg or Laver to such high standards, that automatically means my guys are special, they will be discussed many decades from now while some other legends will be quickly forgotten. Take it in that spirit, Sachin will always be a yardstick for future generation batsmen (even haters from padosiland, they may hate Indian players but will they compare their precious Babar Azam with Ponting, Sanga or Kallis?), be at peace, have fun and sometimes join the banter.

 

I am sure this is all just fun, posters are simply bored cos of inactivity, no malice intended. I sometimes like to rib certain fan sections: of Dhoni, Sachin, Kohli etc  but that is just to elicit reactions, a way to ease boredom . Really who will even fall for baits when subjects are Dravid, Kumble, Pujara.....great players but bland and don't have mad following. 

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[kaptaan]

8 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

Missed a low full toss. This is the time he should have retired. I would have respected him.  

 

[kaptaan]

9 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

Then he would have been totally exposed   Like i said before, He is lucky to be playing with nice guys like Dravid who protected him. 

Rishabh has more centuries in his first SENA tour than Thailam has in his whole career and yet Thailam fans have the audacity to talk about Sachin 

[kaptaan]

9 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

Dhoni bats low in every format. Not NO.3 in ODIs and No.6/7 in Tests. Not sure why you found that funny. Couldn't even replace No.4 properly in that squad till now. Forget about replacing No.6

 

Virat bats no.3 is all  formats.  Not a coward like tendiya

Virat bats no.3 in all formats ? 

The coward hid behind Pant, DK and Hardik 

 

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

Dhoni bats low in every format. Not NO.3 in ODIs and No.6/7 in Tests. Not sure why you found that funny. Couldn't even replace No.4 properly in that squad till now. Forget about replacing No.6

 

Virat bats no.3 is all  formats.  Not a coward like tendiya

Virat bats 4 like Tendulkar in tests.

[New guy]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

If a player is discussed so frequently and passionately 7-8 years after retirement, his career/stats/flaws dissected so much that already puts that player on a higher pedestal. People don't care about lesser tier ATGs, but something attracts them towards GOAT contenders, take that as a compliment.

 

For most of my life I was a Federer fanatic and the number of statistical parameters, mental gymnastics, variables, intangibles, absurd filters etc some folks on the tennis forum used to deploy to downplay him, ICF is nothing in comparison. Not that I disagreed with some of the counterpoints reg Fed but sometimes felt like hatred when I was younger and emotional, not the case now. I am a big fan of Djokovic and he gets similar, often unreasonable criticism and attention (not in a positive way) from naysayers and a certain section (dominated by upper class Western fans). But same people have never and will never subject a Sampras, Borg or Laver to such high standards, that automatically means my guys are special, they will be discussed many decades from now while some other legends will be quickly forgotten. Take it in that spirit, Sachin will always be a yardstick for future generation batsmen (even haters from padosiland, they may hate Indian players but will they compare their precious Babar Azam with Ponting, Sanga or Kallis?), be at peace, have fun and sometimes join the banter.

 

I am sure this is all just fun, posters are simply bored cos of inactivity, no malice intended. I sometimes like to rib certain fan sections: of Dhoni, Sachin, Kohli etc  but that is just to elicit reactions, a way to ease boredom . Really who will even fall for baits when subjects are Dravid, Kumble, Pujara.....great players but bland and don't have mad following. 

I completely agree. On so many forums of other countries, over the years, i have seen sachin compared with everyone from Bradman, Lara, De Silva, Waughs, even jayasuriya, Afridi, to now Cook, Root, Babbar. I have always told them, the day a player will be greater or Sachin will be lesser is when Sachin is removed from that one constant of comparison and someone else takes their place. One player cannot be hogging almost every comparison and then you claiming he is no where near the top

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

Sachin getting out to a new bowler has happened since forever. Akhtar did what Olanga or naseer Hussain did, nothing more

Shoaib wasn't a new bowler for Tendulkar. They had already played him quite a lot in ODIs.

[Nikola]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Shoaib wasn't a new bowler for Tendulkar. They had already played him quite a lot in ODIs.

Not really this was first time sachin facing him in any format.

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, Nikola said:

Not really this was first time sachin facing him in any format.

I remember akhtar playing against India in ODIs.

[Nikola]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

I remember akhtar playing against India in ODIs.

Maybe later after this match. I remember shoaib talking about this match where he said sachin was coming in casually and he heard his name alot from his teammates.

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[New guy]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Shoaib wasn't a new bowler for Tendulkar. They had already played him quite a lot in ODIs.

No, that's wrong, the 1999 test match was the first time Indians ever faced Akhtar. He played that Kolkata test on 24th Feb and the ODI series followed in March

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[diga]

7 minutes ago, New guy said:

No, that's wrong, the 1999 test match was the first time Indians ever faced Akhtar. He played that Kolkata test on 24th Feb and the ODI series followed in March

I remember Sehwag debuted in that series and he struggled majorly

[Rasgulla]

1 hour ago, kaptaan said:

 

Is that all you could find ?  Not even a low fulltoss that was and what was end result. Won T20WC that year 

[Rasgulla]

1 hour ago, kaptaan said:

Rishabh has more centuries in his first SENA tour than Thailam has in his whole career and yet Thailam fans have the audacity to talk about Sachin 

unmm you mean the guy the guy that was thrown out and replaced by part time wicket keeper KL Rahul ? Says alot about those dead rubber pattas. Amount of runs Dhoni scored in first ever away England tour and especially Winning series says alot. 52 average and his crucial 92 is better than any innings played by any wk. Obviously selfish chamchas wouldn't have a clue about it because ailiaaaa 100 mara even if India lost.

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[kaptaan]

54 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

unmm you mean the guy the guy that was thrown out and replaced by part time wicket keeper KL Rahul ? Says alot about those dead rubber pattas. Amount of runs Dhoni scored in first ever away England tour and especially Winning series says alot. 52 average and his crucial 92 is better than any innings played by any wk. Obviously selfish chamchas wouldn't have a clue about it because ailiaaaa 100 mara even if India lost.

Never knew Rishabh Pant got replaced in test cricket by a part time wicket keeper. Dhoni is lucky in that sense. Didn't get replaced by anyone even after being pathetic for more than a decade 

Coming to the part time wicket keeper. The part-time wicket keeper has more 100s in New Zealand than Thailam has in his entire career.  

Dead rubber pattas - Dhoni couldnt manage to score a single 100 even on those 'dead rubber pattas' 

 

 

[kaptaan]

1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Is that all you could find ?  Not even a low fulltoss that was and what was end result. Won T20WC that year 

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