'Delhi Chalo' movement/farmers protest

[Khota]

12 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

^^Itni nafrat Kahan se late ho bhai? 

 

No Indian hates othe Indian. In heat of moment people say things they regret later. We are all brothers. Peace.

[Khota]

No Kerala too:

 

https://news.rediff.com/commentary/2020/dec/31/kerala-cm-moves-resolution-against-farm-laws/05483e6e7e5c1dfe215eb88581b42b82

 

 

[coffee_rules]

46 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

^^Itni nafrat Kahan se late ho bhai? 

 

Bees log ki desh bhar ki andolan. Lage raho.

[donkey]

On 12/29/2020 at 6:02 AM, Khota said:

I think they should. Times have changes and farmers have to adjust accordingly. Modi and farmers have to come to some compromise because in the end it hurts the country.

 

I agree, cooler heads have prevailed since the early days of protests so hopefully a resolution will be reached soon. 

[randomGuy]

2 hours ago, Under_Score said:

The fact is...Modi is still alive & well while farmers are suffering, deaths are happening....this is anger towards a spineless person...NO hate whatsoever.

You are also alive and well.

[ravishingravi]

13 hours ago, Khota said:

Yes it has been. Now the trust is lost so they want written assurance. Just another matter of fact there is no farmer who even gets the MSP. It far below the govt. price also. I understand that govt. does not have endless supply of money but this needs to be done in judicious manner. I also know farmers need to understand these laws will not be rolled back. They have to work with PM and the PM needs to show some compassion here.

But this is pretty arbitrary and country cannot run like this. So, MSP has been paid all these years ( highest last year ) for stocking grains which are rotting. So, for no good reason few people’s trust is lost and now you want it in writing. 
 

sometimes I do wish we were China. 

[Real McCoy]

15 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

 

These reforms will remove their monopoly, hence they have employed  bhaade ka protesters

You gotta be kidding. Remove zamindar monopoly and create big corporation monopoly. How does this help the common farmer. Its a bit like demonetize 500s and 1000s and issue new 500s and 2000s. Does that ring a bell or you've already forgotten about it. What did that demonetization really achieve.

[donkey]

On 12/29/2020 at 2:01 AM, Under_Score said:

Farming needs to change for development, but if Farmers are not taken into confidence & explained how it'll benefit them, how will they agree given the past record of implementing changes without proper planning or thinking. Most importantly if corporate companies are already securing land & building massive storage facilities before the laws are hastily passed.....it definitely proves that Modi has colluded with rich corporate buddies & doesn't give a damn about poor farmers. 

 

Farmers definitely need to have a say in any law reforms, that's why current national debate over farm bills is a blessing in disguise. Government dropped the ball on this one, so farmers a have better leverage in this situation. But I can assure you private corporations handling food grain storage and logistics is hardly relevant to this whole debate. This is how its done around the globe and have no implications on the farmers. I am from Rajasthan where many farmer are pro-reforms in the absence of widespread MSP support but they are still standing in solidarity with the farmers across the country. They would wholeheartedly support any amendments to benefit the greater farming community but the majority aren't in favor of a complete roll back.

[ravishingravi]

1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

You gotta be kidding. Remove zamindar monopoly and create big corporation monopoly. How does this help the common farmer. Its a bit like demonetize 500s and 1000s and issue new 500s and 2000s. Does that ring a bell or you've already forgotten about it. What did that demonetization really achieve.

Exactly the kind of stuff people said before 1991 reforms. This is what happens when you run a welfare state for too long. Competition feels like monopoly. 

[Real McCoy]

29 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Exactly the kind of stuff people said before 1991 reforms. This is what happens when you run a welfare state for too long. Competition feels like monopoly. 

So what you're saying is monopoly is ok as long as adani and ambani do it rather than zamindars I'm not arguing pro-zamindars. How does it help the small farmer

[Real McCoy]

On 12/30/2020 at 1:53 PM, Under_Score said:

I have no clue who that person is.....all I know is, when your state is mentioned as 'Bimaru' by fellow posters here on ICF during a discussion....you get very upset & defend your poor farmers with full force......PUNJAB farmers along with the support of HARYANA & other states are now fighting the injustice against the corporate farm laws ....which could help pull your Bihar farmers out of the rut....you are still not happy....

Dude he lives in Delhi. He doesn't seem to care what the small farmers even from his own states (not zamindars) go through on a daily basis. This guy took offense to an acronym "bimaru" but doesnt mind mouthing off about Tamils being deformed and stinky as though he smells like newly sprung flower . He should visit Delhi and what it smells like. and he even included a kannadiga with us. We are all madrasis right . This is the type of northie that most of us make fun of. He is the very definition of a literate person but not educated. And this is the kind of guy coffee thinks as a "reasonable" person

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Under_Score said:

The fact is...Modi is still alive & well while farmers are suffering, deaths are happening....this is anger towards a spineless person...NO hate whatsoever.

 

3 hours ago, randomGuy said:

You are also alive and well.

 

End of the day Modi is the PM and for these talks to be successful farmers have to work with him. Parkash Badal said it correctly that it will come down to Modi and he has to be magnanimous. farmers are poor and will keep on getting poorer in the new economy.

[Real McCoy]

On 12/16/2020 at 7:53 PM, Singh bling said:

Please also include Haryanavi Hindu's in list of bhikhari's. They grow same quality and   has same mandi system in which they also get msp as much as punjab farmers get .

 

On 12/16/2020 at 12:25 PM, Under_Score said:

 

This language for food must be okay for you, I would never show disrespect like that....go on internet bravado!!

You're engaging a troll. He has attacked tamils, kannadigas, bengalis and now punjabis. He is a hit and run keyboard warrior most likely bullied in high school. most probably a midget living with his mom  

[Khota]

13 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Dude he lives in Delhi. He doesn't seem to care what the small farmers even from his own states (not zamindars) go through on a daily basis. This guy took offense to an acronym "bimaru" but doesnt mind mouthing off about Tamils being deformed and stinky as though he smells like newly sprung flower . He should visit Delhi and what it smells like. and he even included a kannadiga with us. We are all madrasis right . This is the type of northie that most of us make fun of. He is the very definition of a literate person but not educated. And this is the kind of guy coffee thinks as a "reasonable" person

 Once again if a remark is directed against another Indian from Bihar, Up, Tamil or Punjab mods have to step in and issue warnings.I am from Delhi too and the best part of growing in Delhi is you get used to getting along and understanding people from other states because people from all over India work in Delhi. Peace.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

Exactly the kind of stuff people said before 1991 reforms. This is what happens when you run a welfare state for too long. Competition feels like monopoly. 

1991 reform for whic one has to credit Rao and Singh went after inefficiencies and welfare. farming is subsidized but hardly inefficient.

 

If you want real reforms disband PSUs and go from there. Those entities are highly inefficient. farmers are net exporters.

[Khota]

3 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

But this is pretty arbitrary and country cannot run like this. So, MSP has been paid all these years ( highest last year ) for stocking grains which are rotting. So, for no good reason few people’s trust is lost and now you want it in writing. 
 

sometimes I do wish we were China. 

 

And that is how you think.

 

I am glad India is not China. Very thankful it is not China and folks like you need to live in China for sometime to understand loss of personal freedom.

 

Economically China is far ahead and they give targetted subsidies like no other country. Electricity is 30% cheaper there. Employees in PSU work and not sit on there ass all the time like India. China in Last 20 years hasincreased their GDP x5 compared to India. 

[Khota]

3 hours ago, donkey said:

 

Farmers definitely need to have a say in any law reforms, that's why current national debate over farm bills is a blessing in disguise. Government dropped the ball on this one, so farmers a have better leverage in this situation. But I can assure you private corporations handling food grain storage and logistics is hardly relevant to this whole debate. This is how its done around the globe and have no implications on the farmers. I am from Rajasthan where many farmer are pro-reforms in the absence of widespread MSP support but they are still standing in solidarity with the farmers across the country. They would wholeheartedly support any amendments to benefit the greater farming community but the majority aren't in favor of a complete roll back.

 

Underline issue is farmers are working very hard and can barey support their family. There are inefficiencies that need to be dealt with but the safety net needs to stay. No where in the world farming is free market. Thew system will crash if it is free market. It has to be regulated.

 

If they need to fix stuff they need to start from PSU's which are a bigger drain.

 

Modi coming from a highly Industrial state does not understand farming. Farmers from rajasthan will support farmers from Haryana, Punjab etc. because they understand exactly what is going on.

[Real McCoy]

20 minutes ago, Khota said:

 Once again if a remark is directed against another Indian from Bihar, Up, Tamil or Punjab mods have to step in and issue warnings.I am from Delhi too and the best part of growing in Delhi is you get used to getting along and understanding people from other states because people from all over India work in Delhi. Peace.

Yeah you are talking about the educated folk living there. But most of the day to day folk are not educated and Delhi seems to have the most socially aggressive people in India. I haven't been to Mumbai but I think they are more chiller than Delhi from the people I have met in US who were from Mumbai. Mumbai also has people from all over India. Bangalore, Chennai and Kolkata have the least diversity but still there is some. I was born in Delhi BTW and lived there for 6 years. My dad was a chief engineer and worked for Roadways in the Central Government. Last time I was there was about 15 years ago. Observed the same behavior there. I mean Indians in general are more socially aggressive in general but Delhi is where they take it to a new level 

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

You gotta be kidding. Remove zamindar monopoly and create big corporation monopoly. How does this help the common farmer. Its a bit like demonetize 500s and 1000s and issue new 500s and 2000s. Does that ring a bell or you've already forgotten about it. What did that demonetization really achieve.

False equivalence and strawman logic.  Do you know 

 

22 states have established private markets, 21 have e-trading, 23 have a single license or a single point levy on the APMC purchases, 20 have contract farming permitted legally now ..

 

Why were they not blocking streets and stealing generators from cell towers already because of the corporate bogeyman? 
 

The corporates are already here, these reform supposedly give better control to the farmer in case of litigations or contracts. Removing the commission and fees applied by APMCs, the private buyers save farmers more money. 
 

Corporates can be regulated by strong governments, zamindars can’t be.

[coffee_rules]

7 hours ago, Under_Score said:

The fact is...Modi is still alive & well while farmers are suffering, deaths are happening....

IOW, you want Modi dead.

Edited December 31, 2020 by coffee_rules