coffee_rules Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Here you want fact checking but in your post an hour ago you claimed broken windshields as FACT . broken windshields are a fact from the same videos posted. . How they were broken needs to be ascertained with eyewitness accounts and video evidence. They are absent doesn’t mean there was a no evidence of the trigger 6 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: By your own statement, its from BJP sources. How do you claim they aren't capable of lying. Clearly you are biased towards a certain source. Accept it No, I can’t claim they are not lying and at the same time you can’t claim they are lying. So. Let it be decided in a fair trial
speedheat Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 1 minute ago, coffee_rules said: If you don’t know how science and logical thinking works, you can change your opinions based on facts. Some new evidence shows how these car drivers are culpable of homicide. But don’t ignore other facts based on your biases. Again those are not facts but a made-up story with no substance. Real McCoy and Under_Score 2
coffee_rules Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: I think you're wrong bro. congress has blood on its hands. IG was a strong leader but she overreached her limits sometime. I don't see the similarites between Kashmir and Punjab. Agree, there is no proof that the anti-Sikh riots were organic because a lot of Hindus were getting killed in Punjab. North Indian Hindus are organized mainly because of some tough castes like gujjars and jatts against Muslims. I don’t think they were organized to kill Sikhs as they are not against each other. I wouldn’t call it genocide which means it is a racial movement as is the wont of Khalistanis, but anti-Sikh riots/pogrom. They were executively organized by the Congress party workers and goonda elements to settle a score of killing a sitting PM so inhumanely. It was an eye for an eye administered by Rajiv Gandhi and his posse. But. The myth tha Sikhs protected Tilak is a myth It was always mutual, they protected each other against the common enemy Muslims. In 1946, when the Golden temple was attacked by Muslim rioters, it was RSS that protected it and saved it. Otherwise it would be a rubble, much like many temples in current day Pakistan . This Sikh v Hindus is a post 70s thing mainly from the Khalsa movement which wants to remove their Hindu affinity, Guru Govind was a devotee of Durga as was his war cry. Edited October 5, 2021 by coffee_rules Real McCoy 1
Real McCoy Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: broken windshields are a fact from the same videos posted. . How they were broken needs to be ascertained with eyewitness accounts and video evidence. They are absent doesn’t mean there was a no evidence of the trigger No, I can’t claim they are not lying and at the same time you can’t claim they are lying. So. Let it be decided in a fair trial Yeah but you claim guilty when it suits you when posting twitter posts but how come now you want a fair trial I saw the video and there was no broken windshields and there are others who said the same. Its only you who has that eyesight that sees them. I woudl like some of what you are having sounds like some good stuff. No its not a fact because you have the "special" eyesight. You want a fair trial. In a fair trial, your eyesight will be rubbished
urbestfriend Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 Whatever the sequence of events, it will be established and some of these people will cry a river then... But how can some people beat others to death..One may support reactionary beating, but supporting beating to death? Only barbarians can support it..That too 4 people.. Most ecosystem supporting this mob lynch..Where this will lead to? A civil war is waiting to happen, because there is a huge ecosystem to support mob justice. coffee_rules 1
urbestfriend Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: Yeah but you claim guilty when it suits you when posting twitter posts but how come now you want a fair trial I saw the video and there was no broken windshields and there are others who said the same. Its only you who has that eyesight that sees them. I woudl like some of what you are having sounds like some good stuff. No its not a fact because you have the "special" eyesight. You want a fair trial. In a fair trial, your eyesight will be rubbished Simple question, why hide the original footage? Why not post the entire video? What is preventing these people to post the entire footage? coffee_rules 1
mishra Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: I think you're wrong bro. congress has blood on its hands. IG was a strong leader but she overreached her limits sometime. I don't see the similarites between Kashmir and Punjab. Let's not forget, if it wasn't for the Sikhs and possibly Rajputs, many hindus would be extinct in that region or converted to islam. conversion from Sikh religion is something I have never seen. Don't take govt's word as gospel. No, I am absolutely correct. I don’t know how old you are but you can validate this with any North Indian who was young at the time. i am not saying about Sikh in general, but Terrorist killings in Punjab had made People see Sikh in general as someone who was killing Hindus and India. We didn’t had tv debates, all we had was AIR news and occasional access to newspaper. Let me be absolutely clear, There hasn’t been any leader like India Gandhi. People on this forum and political /journo jump up and down on emergency imposed by her. She imposed it because other option was Chewt and CIA stooge like Morarji Desai. Once people outvoted her, they understood their mistake. She was back with bigger follwing
coffee_rules Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, speedheat said: Again those are not facts but a made-up story with no substance. As proved by post Morten, farmers claiming guns fired by BJP was also a made-up story with no substance. But all newspapers went with the farmer eyewitness accounts
Real McCoy Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, urbestfriend said: Simple question, why hide the original footage? Why not post the entire video? What is preventing these people to post the entire footage? I have a much more simpler question. Why don't you post the full footage so that we can get to the bottom of things and finish this meaningless back and forth
urbestfriend Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 https://news.abplive.com/videos/news/lakhimpur-case-sumit-jaiswal-man-who-jumped-from-the-jeep-narrates-ordeal-master-stroke-1486150 Sumit jaiswal who ran from the jeep... coffee_rules 1
coffee_rules Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, mishra said: No, I am absolutely correct. I don’t know how old you are but you can validate this with any North Indian who was young at the time. i am not saying about Sikh in general, but Terrorist killings in Punjab had made People see Sikh in general as someone who was killing Hindus and India. We didn’t had tv debates, all we had was AIR news and occasional access to newspaper. Let me be absolutely clear, There hasn’t been any leader like India Gandhi. People on this forum and political /journo jump up and down on emergency imposed by her. She imposed it because other option was Chewt and CIA stooge like Morarji Desai. Once people outvoted her, they understood their mistake. She was back with bigger follwing Maybe it was in North India, but in South India, especially Bengaluru, the Janata Party, RK Hegde Govt prevented a lot of killing by Congress goondas and that’s what makes me believe it was a Congress movement rather than a communal one Edited October 5, 2021 by coffee_rules mishra 1
urbestfriend Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: I have a much more simpler question. Why don't you post the full footage so that we can get to the bottom of things and finish this meaningless back and forth Lets do this back and forth only when full evidence comes out and not these edited and rerecorded footage...What's the point of discussing based on flawed evidences. coffee_rules 1
Real McCoy Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, mishra said: No, I am absolutely correct. I don’t know how old you are but you can validate this with any North Indian who was young at the time. i am not saying about Sikh in general, but Terrorist killings in Punjab had made People see Sikh in general as someone who was killing Hindus and India. We didn’t had tv debates, all we had was AIR news and occasional access to newspaper. Let me be absolutely clear, There hasn’t been any leader like India Gandhi. People on this forum and political /journo jump up and down on emergency imposed by her. She imposed it because other option was Chewt and CIA stooge like Morarji Desai. Once people outvoted her, they understood their mistake. She was back with bigger follwing AIR news and newspapers won't publish anti-govt news. Similar stories were propagated in England about Germany during the great wars. Its called propaganda. I'm against Khalistan as are many posters here but they are accused of harboring Khalistani sentiments. This is very saddening to me. I agree that IG was a strong leader but she had her faults as do many. One good thing she did was throw that piss drinker in jail.
urbestfriend Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Maybe it was in North India, but in South India, especially Bengaluru, the Janata Party, RK Hegde Govt prevented a lot of killing by Congress goondas and that’s what makes me believe it was a Congress movement rather than a communal one It may be mixed.. I can imagine the reaction of the people when their beloved leader is shot to death..We're talking about pre internet period where emotional people ransack the streets and they didnt have social media as an avenue..Congress lower rung probably didn't do enough to prevent it or but cant really fault them because India was leaderless..Its well known that bureaucrats are useless without leader. coffee_rules 1
Real McCoy Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, urbestfriend said: Lets do this back and forth only when full evidence comes out and not these edited and rerecorded footage...What's the point of discussing based on flawed evidences. Dude you claimed it was edited. So its YOU who has to provide the unedited video. Sheesh Under_Score 1
urbestfriend Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Dude you claimed it was edited. So its YOU who has to provide the unedited video. Sheesh Are you out of your mind or u a troll? Its edited because this video was recorded from another mobile whereas one could've given the entire footage from the original mobile... Under_Score 1
urbestfriend Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 https://news.abplive.com/videos/news/lakhimpur-case-they-would-have-killed-us-if-we-didn-t-run-says-sumit-jaiswal-1486153
coffee_rules Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 46 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Yeah but you claim guilty when it suits you when posting twitter posts but how come now you want a fair trial I saw the video and there was no broken windshields and there are others who said the same. Its only you who has that eyesight that sees them. I woudl like some of what you are having sounds like some good stuff. No its not a fact because you have the "special" eyesight. You want a fair trial. In a fair trial, your eyesight will be rubbished Get your biased eyesight checked
coffee_rules Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Modi has prepared grounds for defeat of Yogi. Don’t make sense. Without UP in 2022, BJP will not able to win in 2024
Real McCoy Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Get your biased eyesight checked I'm not biased On light of this picture, it makes me question my earlier view point. I see those blue marks all over the driver's side of the windscreen and also the side window of the back in the driver's side. they match with the earlier video as well. This could be an attack. Still horrifying to watch the old man knocked over. PS: Whenever I see black flags, it doesn't bode well and I see quite a few black flags there. I'm speaking astrologically also from personal experience
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