dial_100 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I spent only 1 hour and this is what I learnt. This is not specific to any state alone but farming in general. I will put some bulleted points. Those who are experts add to this. We will track good points in farming and where things are not going right. Where things could be changed Average farm land per farmer is very small (2-5 acre) >80% of farmers (~86%) in india only have a very small land Average income per acre of land is Rs. 30-60k making household income roughly about Rs 50k to 2.5L Cost of farming for small land is very high compared to revenue Because of lack of sufficient income, majority of the farmers are in huge debts. Monsoon is their biggest challenge Rich farmers, adhtiyas, bichauliyas, APMC, Local/State and Central government are their enemies or at least they are unfriendly. Inflation is hurting them worst Technology is not helping them as much as it does to other sectors. Complete ignorance of general public to the plight of farmers Wow.. this is unbelievable. I am not surprised that farmers are committing suicides now. Rather i am surprised that there still are farmers who survived these adversities and still hoping that something will change. I really salute to those. How can we help? Vivek92, Stuge, Mariyam and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/farmer-suicide-crisis-in-india-truth-or-myth Read the whole article, but numbers indicate that India in general has a suicide problem that is not specific to farmers. Farmers are just highlighted so political parties can throw tattie at each other in hopes of winning the largest votebank. Mariyam, BacktoCricaddict, Indwin and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 7 hours ago, dial_100 said: I spent only 1 hour and this is what I learnt. This is not specific to any state alone but farming in general. I will put some bulleted points. Those who are experts add to this. We will track good points in farming and where things are not going right. Where things could be changed Average farm land per farmer is very small (2-5 acre) >80% of farmers (~86%) in india only have a very small land Average income per acre of land is Rs. 30-60k making household income roughly about Rs 50k to 2.5L Cost of farming for small land is very high compared to revenue Because of lack of sufficient income, majority of the farmers are in huge debts. Monsoon is their biggest challenge Rich farmers, adhtiyas, bichauliyas, APMC, Local/State and Central government are their enemies or at least they are unfriendly. Inflation is hurting them worst Technology is not helping them as much as it does to other sectors. Complete ignorance of general public to the plight of farmers Wow.. this is unbelievable. I am not surprised that farmers are committing suicides now. Rather i am surprised that there still are farmers who survived these adversities and still hoping that something will change. I really salute to those. How can we help? Op, thanks for looking into it. There is a huge disconnect on this forum. There are folks on this forum who think 60K is too much. Look at the post below yours. According to this guy not enough are dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jf1gp_1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 9 hours ago, dial_100 said: I spent only 1 hour and this is what I learnt. This is not specific to any state alone but farming in general. I will put some bulleted points. Those who are experts add to this. We will track good points in farming and where things are not going right. Where things could be changed Average farm land per farmer is very small (2-5 acre) >80% of farmers (~86%) in india only have a very small land Average income per acre of land is Rs. 30-60k making household income roughly about Rs 50k to 2.5L Cost of farming for small land is very high compared to revenue Because of lack of sufficient income, majority of the farmers are in huge debts. Monsoon is their biggest challenge Rich farmers, adhtiyas, bichauliyas, APMC, Local/State and Central government are their enemies or at least they are unfriendly. Inflation is hurting them worst Technology is not helping them as much as it does to other sectors. Complete ignorance of general public to the plight of farmers Wow.. this is unbelievable. I am not surprised that farmers are committing suicides now. Rather i am surprised that there still are farmers who survived these adversities and still hoping that something will change. I really salute to those. How can we help? Do you find if new laws help or make matters worst for hand to mouth farmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Also, literacy is most common reason for suicide, as Kerala leads the country in that dept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said: Do you find if new laws help or make matters worst for hand to mouth farmers It for sure helps. Levels the playing field. Gives them access to bigger markets. Allows them to grow crops that’s viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 hours ago, ravishingravi said: It for sure helps. Levels the playing field. Gives them access to bigger markets. Allows them to grow crops that’s viable. If all that is happening why are they against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 They can have the three laws along with passing a fourth law that gaurantees MSP. They will all go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said: Do you find if new laws help or make matters worst for hand to mouth farmers New laws are the necessary steps that have to be taken because old models were valid 50 years back. At the same time there should have been input from farmers which was missing. They took input from career beauraucrats who are clueless in how real world works. Add to that the poor top down management approach of Modi. I understand he has the majority but you still need to have the affected party working with you which he did not care. Next instead of having a honest discussion he went for deflection blaming punjab farmers, then khalistan etc. It became apparent he was not ready to address the issue. The more important question is if someone working 60 hrs a week and making 5000 rs per month is hurting the tax payers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Let us keep this thread civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 https://www.statista.com/statistics/271329/distribution-of-gross-domestic-product-gdp-across-economic-sectors-in-india/ 15% GDP contributed by Agriculture. https://www.statista.com/statistics/271320/distribution-of-the-workforce-across-economic-sectors-in-india/ 41% employed in Agriculture This is unsustainable for economy as a model for a developing country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 31/01/2021 at 6:23 PM, coffee_rules said: https://www.statista.com/statistics/271329/distribution-of-gross-domestic-product-gdp-across-economic-sectors-in-india/ 15% GDP contributed by Agriculture. https://www.statista.com/statistics/271320/distribution-of-the-workforce-across-economic-sectors-in-india/ 41% employed in Agriculture This is unsustainable for economy as a model for a developing country. 41% employed in agriculture is gradually declining . It was 51% in 2010 . It will decline further until then this sector will need enormous help . Khota and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 This over romanticism with farmers need to stop. If you can’t adapt or bring in new changes to keep up with either the govt. or nature then that farm land is better off with someone with better technology and innovation. back in the day lot of people didn’t have that skill set so it made sense. Just like with every other profession or business you adapt or perish. Stop giving these guys handouts. They have a valuable asset: Land. Let them sell and maybe start a separate business if they can’t cut it. Jai Jawan. Jai tax payer should be the motto. Rest all need to be put in line. You pay tax, you get govt benefits otherwise buzz off. Yoda-esque, coffee_rules and Banton 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 ^^True, Tax Payer is the one true Annadata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Can't win an electoral majority,so throw your toys out of the pram.Create insurgency,loot public property,waste the tax payer's money.If not for the farmers issue,there would have been some other issue.Shaheehbagh part two nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Let us keep this thread civil.Sorry,can't be civil with assholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Farming must be recognized as a business. Farmer is no different from a businessman. They should be taxed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Yoda-esque said: On 1/31/2021 at 5:55 AM, Khota said: Let us keep this thread civil. Sorry,can't be civil with assholes I will not be civil to you from now on based on your request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 6:53 AM, coffee_rules said: https://www.statista.com/statistics/271329/distribution-of-gross-domestic-product-gdp-across-economic-sectors-in-india/ 15% GDP contributed by Agriculture. https://www.statista.com/statistics/271320/distribution-of-the-workforce-across-economic-sectors-in-india/ 41% employed in Agriculture This is unsustainable for economy as a model for a developing country. I agree. The transition path has to be defined not the haphazard snake oil being sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 We are one rod away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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