What's the point of squad selection when they dont select the playing XI from the selected squad?

[R!TTER]

Right & you know the opposition don't you, besides the pitches? He doesn't even have 10 wickets against those 4 nations combined in the last 6 years in India 

 

It's like people quoting Voges' test avg & forgetting he was 2.5x Bradman against one single opponent i.e. WI 

Edited February 5, 2021 by R!TTER

[express bowling]

Last 6 years is not really relevant for Ishant as he has become a high quality bowler from 2018 only.

 

He has reversed the ball both ways today at good enough pace and bowled in good areas. Has kept up the pressure from his end.

 

I would have liked Siraj to play too ( to encourage him after his five-for )  ... but from a team point of view, choosing Ishant is not a downgrade. Shami and Umesh are obviously much better in Asia but they are injured.

Edited February 5, 2021 by express bowling

[R!TTER]

It is relevant because he's never had the pace nor skills to be great in India, also did you forget the conditions away from home? You're making it sound as if he's the second coming of McGrath & Garner rolled into one? I have no idea why some of you are making it as if he's had this exceptional second coming & no one else has these numbers?

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
PJ Cummins (AUS)	2018-2021	21	41	817.0	209	2195	106	6/27	9/99	20.70	2.68	46.2	3	0
JM Anderson (ENG)	2018-2020	11	19	370.4	116	871	42	5/20	9/43	20.73	2.34	52.9	2	0
TG Southee (NZ)	2018-2020	8	15	334.5	73	969	45	6/62	9/110	21.53	2.89	44.6	3	0
I Sharma (INDIA)	2018-2020	11	21	346.2	75	925	42	5/51	6/97	22.02	2.67	49.4	2	0
K Rabada (SA)	2018-2020	10	19	352.0	77	1152	52	6/54	11/150	22.15	3.27	40.6	2	1
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2018-2021	15	30	582.0	136	1586	66	6/33	9/86	24.03	2.72	52.9	3	0
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	2018-2021	18	34	659.4	184	1736	66	5/8	9/115	26.30	2.63	59.9	3	0

 

 

The numbers are a result of the type of pitches he's played on, it's really as simple as that.

Edited February 5, 2021 by R!TTER

[Adamant]

Basic Knowledge Session for zero iq cricket fans :

1.Right Arm Off Spinners turn the ball into RHB. 

2.Chinaman turns the ball into RHB. 

3.SLAO turns the ball away from RHB. 

4. Ishant Sharma has Atg stats in the last few years not only away from home but in India too. 

5. The left arm around angle gives the bowler a chance to beat batsman both on the inside and outside. 

 

 

[Adamant]

So posters here are not even watching the match. 

Ishant has been our best bowler today, but very unlucky. 

[urbestfriend]

15 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Basic Knowledge Session for zero iq cricket fans :

1.Right Arm Off Spinners turn the ball into RHB. 

2.Chinaman turns the ball into RHB. 

3.SLAO turns the ball away from RHB. 

4. Ishant Sharma has Atg stats in the last few years not only away from home but in India too. 

5. The left arm around angle gives the bowler a chance to beat batsman both on the inside and outside. 

 

 

What's your point? We all know this.

[OpeningBatsman]

Reply to the thread title...

 

Sundar wasn't in the Aussie series squad. He was back up. Still played and helped win us a historic series.. 

 

Get out of traditional thinking. It's all about horses for courses. If you have someone suitable available for the conditions, you pick him no matter what. 

 

 

You don't just put blanket restrictions saying so n so can't be picked coz he wasn't in original squad. 

Edited February 5, 2021 by OpeningBatsman

[urbestfriend]

26 minutes ago, OpeningBatsman said:

Reply to the thread title...

 

Sundar wasn't in the Aussie series squad. He was back up. Still played and helped win us a historic series.. 

 

Get out of traditional thinking. It's all about horses for courses. If you have someone suitable available for the conditions, you pick him no matter what. 

 

 

You don't just put blanket restrictions saying so n so can't be picked coz he wasn't in original squad. 

 

Sundar's selection in Gabba was more of necessity with so many injuries. 

 

But in this case, I had a problem with Nadeem coming in but considering Axar is injured, it makes sense as he has been added to the squad. 

 

Otherwise whats the point of selection committee? Just get rid of that as well.

[vishalvirsingh]

I heard from VVS that kuldeep and axar both were not fit , it seems thats why nadeem got an opportunity.

But he is not looking that good yet.

[urbestfriend]

 

 

[anish2tweet]

OK, Axar is injured so Nadeep comes to the squad. Yet, Sundar is playing ahead of kuldeep dont make sense. Kuldeep can also chip in with the bat if required. Very defensive team selection.

If we listened to u in final test in Aus we would have played Kuldip and lost

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[R!TTER]

49 minutes ago, anish2tweet said:

If we listened to u in final test in Aus we would have played Kuldip and lost

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Yeah & if we listened to Kohli we'd have lost the series 4-nil  

[Bhoot]

7 hours ago, urbestfriend said:

OK, Axar is injured so Nadeep comes to the squad. Yet, Sundar is playing ahead of kuldeep dont make sense. Kuldeep can also chip in with the bat if required. Very defensive team selection.

What doesn't make sense is stupid threads like this. 

Kuldeep bowling has tapered of completely in last 2 years. Even kkr are looking to rid of him. He would have done zilch on this wicket and then we would have threads like.. Nadeem was dealt badly after playing 1 test and taking 4 wickets.. 

 

Yes players not in the Xi always appear better. 

Edited February 5, 2021 by Bhoot

[urbestfriend]

2 minutes ago, Bhoot said:

What doesn't make sense is stupid threads like this. 

Kuldeep bowling has tapered of completely in last 2 years. Even kkr are looking to rid of him. He would have done zilch on this wicket and then we would have threads like.. Nadeem was dealt badly after playing 1 test and taking 4 wickets.. 

 

Yes players not in the Xi always appear better. 

Dude, I commented this before the start of the match. 

 

If kuldeep is not good enough, why is he in the team? Just to supply drinks? Give his position to someone else. 

 

This guy has played a test match 2 years before, and he is with the team. Apparently he is not good enough for abroad, not good enough for home, not good enough because team needs batting depth..

 

What kind of confidence you're giving to him. 

 

[Bhoot]

2 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

Dude, I commented this before the start of the match. 

 

If kuldeep is not good enough, why is he in the team? Just to supply drinks? Give his position to someone else. 

 

This guy has played a test match 2 years before, and he is with the team. Apparently he is not good enough for abroad, not good enough for home, not good enough because team needs batting depth..

 

What kind of confidence you're giving to him. 

 

Exactly what I meant.... 2 years before... He has tapered off.. Him being in the team is necassry due to corona and a big squad is needed. Not every one gets to play all the time... 

 

What matches would he have played abroad? You can't drop ashwin n jadeja... N when jaddu got injured n sundar was picked everyone whined there too... Only to get their mouth shut when sundar effectively won us the match... Not everything is black and blue.. Dude... 

[urbestfriend]

4 minutes ago, Bhoot said:

Exactly what I meant.... 2 years before... He has tapered off.. Him being in the team is necassry due to corona and a big squad is needed. Not every one gets to play all the time... 

 

What matches would he have played abroad? You can't drop ashwin n jadeja... N when jaddu got injured n sundar was picked everyone whined there too... Only to get their mouth shut when sundar effectively won us the match... Not everything is black and blue.. Dude... 

Sure, he is not good enough to play abroad, is he not good enough to play at home? 

Now we assess his form based on IPL tamasha? 

What form Umesh yadav and Siraj was in IPL? 

Unless u give him a chance, how do you know what form is he in?

[Bhoot]

6 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

Sure, he is not good enough to play abroad, is he not good enough to play at home? 

Now we assess his form based on IPL tamasha? 

What form Umesh yadav and Siraj was in IPL? 

Unless u give him a chance, how do you know what form is he in?

No I'm not judging based on ipl. I'm just sharing he has lost his zip off the wicket. This pitch would have fi nished his career. He will get his chances in this series im sure.

Hope you  remember saini the next best thing after sliced bread. Similar threads of him being ignored and we all saw what happened. 

Edited February 5, 2021 by Bhoot

[urbestfriend]

9 minutes ago, Bhoot said:

No I'm not judging based on ipl. I'm just sharing he has lost his zip off the wicket. This pitch would have finished his career. He will get his chances in this series im sure. 

He might get a chance but see what kind of pressure he'll be in and what confidence you're giving to the youngster if he is not starting in the first test and rahul chahar is already drafted into the team. Ravi shashtri was saying he was our no 1 spinner and one bad IPL seson , he just goes down the pecking order.

[jf1gp_1]

16 hours ago, urbestfriend said:

Dude, I commented this before the start of the match. 

 

If kuldeep is not good enough, why is he in the team? Just to supply drinks? Give his position to someone else. 

 

This guy has played a test match 2 years before, and he is with the team. Apparently he is not good enough for abroad, not good enough for home, not good enough because team needs batting depth..

 

What kind of confidence you're giving to him. 

 

This is the point everyone seems to be missing. This horses for courses was missing when squad was selected and this i have a dream .. kind of captaincy is why Kohli hasnt been successful.  

[Number]

Kohli sometimes selects XI more on intuition than on merit.

A bit like fantasy XI selections.

Playing Shahbaz is just based on an assumption that he will be more handy against righties than Kuldeep.

I personally find this thinking flawed while it may be reasonable for some. 

It should be "just play your best available players if there is nothing to choose between the two apply intuition".