zen Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) While age is not a limiting factor in cricket anymore due to more focus on fitness (though in the early-mid 20th century, players played even when in their 40s, due to factors such as cricket having to restart due to the two WWs), I am hoping for a new brand of cricket and dynamism from the T20s team (can be carried over to LOIs in the next phase), a culture change infused by aggressive and maverick cricketers such as SDP, Pant, Samson,Shaw, Gill (hopefully will not be brainwashed by "get a 100" brigidage that seem to influence how cricket is played), etc., in 2022 ... Senior guys like Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan would need to take a step back esp. considering the talent pool available. They will have the 2021 T20 WC to take the last shot in this format. May continue for the ODI WC23 Team 2022 (talent pool) Top and middle order KL: though would need to play more freely (could have been bitten by the "get a 100" bug. Spent a lot of time on the bench) Samson: Free flowing batsman (should be allowed to play his natural game) Kishan - plays confident cricket SKY - 360 degrees cricket Agarwal: plays with the right attitude Shaw: Maverick batsman Gill: Needs to be more fluent in T20s Padikkal: Shaping up well Gaekwad: Has a good temperament Power hitters (also most can bat anywhere), therefore a high value asset SDP - X factor Pant - X factor Tewatia - clutch quaties Samad - still a bit raw but can improve. Talent is there Spinners Tons of choices including Sundar, Varun C, R Chahar, Bishnoi, ... Pace bowlers (Limited and therefore another high value asset) Relatively not too many great choices so need to preserve and rotate optimally. Bowlers include Bumrah, Shami (if he is actually 30), Saini, ... Medium pacers Many options available including Natarajan (good left arm death bowler), Bhuvi (can be rotated), Krishna, Thakur, D Chahar, ... If/when Morgan retires, Ind should try to get him as the coach. Other options include Jayawardene, who has cultivated the attacking and free flowing cricket mindset in teams such as MI Edited March 13, 2021 by zen Link to comment
Jay Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Plenty of fast bowling options Prasidh Ishaan Avesh Mavi Tyagi Just develop them. Link to comment
Sgattick10 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 KL Paddikkal Kohli (since he is going nowhere) Sky Pant Pandya Sundar Shardul R Chahar/Bishnoi Natrajan/Porel Bumraah Link to comment
GautiMaan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Would add Riyan Parag to list of hitters. Link to comment
neel roy Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Abhishek Sharma. Yuvi clone.. we just need to back him. Mark my words.. he is smooth Link to comment
Tattieboy Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 14 hours ago, zen said: While age is not a limiting factor in cricket anymore due to more focus on fitness (though in the early-mid 20th century, players played even when in their 40s, due to factors such as cricket having to restart due to the two WWs), I am hoping for a new brand of cricket and dynamism from the T20s team (can be carried over to LOIs in the next phase), a culture change infused by aggressive and maverick cricketers such as SDP, Pant, Samson,Shaw, Gill (hopefully will not be brainwashed by "get a 100" brigidage that seem to influence how cricket is played), etc., in 2022 ... Senior guys like Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan would need to take a step back esp. considering the talent pool available. They will have the 2021 T20 WC to take the last shot in this format. May continue for the ODI WC23 Team 2022 (talent pool) Top and middle order KL: though would need to play more freely (could have been bitten by the "get a 100" bug. Spent a lot of time on the bench) Samson: Free flowing batsman (should be allowed to play his natural game) Kishan - plays confident cricket SKY - 360 degrees cricket Agarwal: plays with the right attitude Shaw: Maverick batsman Gill: Needs to be more fluent in T20s Padikkal: Shaping up well Gaekwad: Has a good temperament Power hitters (also most can bat anywhere), therefore a high value asset SDP - X factor Pant - X factor Tewatia - clutch quaties Samad - still a bit raw but can improve. Talent is there Spinners Tons of choices including Sundar, Varun C, R Chahar, Bishnoi, ... Pace bowlers (Limited and therefore another high value asset) Relatively not too many great choices so need to preserve and rotate optimally. Bowlers include Bumrah, Shami (if he is actually 30), Saini, ... Medium pacers Many options available including Natarajan (good left arm death bowler), Bhuvi (can be rotated), Krishna, Thakur, D Chahar, ... If/when Morgan retires, Ind should try to get him as the coach. Other options include Jayawardene, who has cultivated the attacking and free flowing cricket mindset in teams such as MI Morgan will not be a coach IF he stays in cricket he will be a Director of Cricket . He will replace Ashley Giles as the ECB director of cricket in a few years time . zen 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Rohit sharma shud be the captain n thats it Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Kishen-Pant-Pandya (throw in Ro,Ko) and xfactor players like Bumrah,Sundar,Thakur,Saini,Shaw,Gill,Jadeja 2.0 and even Rahul,Samson. Indian cricket is exciting again. Just need 1 150+ Brett Lee/Akthar/Bond or even Shaun Tait type speed demon and Indian cricket will become a must watch. Link to comment
zen Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 SDP-SKY-Kishan-etc play their cricket differently ... You can see the difference in their attitude v relatively old school cricketers Link to comment
Jay Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 8 hours ago, zen said: SDP-SKY-Kishan-etc play their cricket differently ... You can see the difference in their attitude v relatively old school cricketers Yup. Panda just needs to get a little better vs 140 plus Pacers. Link to comment
zen Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jay said: Yup. Panda just needs to get a little better vs 140 plus Pacers. issues with 140+, where did you get that? He has no issues with pace. His issue is that he wants to hit short balls for 6 in certain corridors and bowlers are bowling short outside off ... All he needs to do is play balls on their merit, which he will eventually ... Any batsman can struggle v top class bowlers like Archer including the Ind openers Edited March 18, 2021 by zen express bowling 1 Link to comment
Jay Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, zen said: issues with 140+, where did you get that? He has no issues with pace. His issue is that he wants to hit short balls for 6 in certain corridors and bowlers are bowling short outside off ... All he needs to do is play balls on their merit, which he will eventually ... Any batsman can struggle v top class bowlers like Archer including the Ind openers Yea true. He gets bogged down sometimes. Maybe he is rusty but he is definitely clutch. Same as shardul who is Underrated. Link to comment
Jay Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 8 hours ago, zen said: issues with 140+, where did you get that? He has no issues with pace. His issue is that he wants to hit short balls for 6 in certain corridors and bowlers are bowling short outside off ... All he needs to do is play balls on their merit, which he will eventually ... Any batsman can struggle v top class bowlers like Archer including the Ind openers Well openers face new ball. Pandya faces old ball. Much easier to hit. In odi I mean. Link to comment
zen Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Jay said: Well openers face new ball. Pandya faces old ball. Much easier to hit. In odi I mean. most batsmen would line up to open in most conditions Link to comment
Jay Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, zen said: most batsmen would line up to open in most conditions No they wouldn't. Much harder to open in swinging/seaming/bouncy/turning conditions. On flat pitches sure. Panda still has flaws vs 140 plus bowlers. Yet to see him take them on. Not that he can't. He just needs to stop moving so much. It isn't a weakness as per say. He can certainly work on it but stokes is obviously better in that regard. I would say he is number 2 pace bowling all rounder in the world now in odi and T20? Is that fair? Jadeja and Shakib of you include overall ARs I suppose may be higher than him. Link to comment
zen Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Jay said: No they wouldn't. Much harder to open in swinging/seaming/bouncy/turning conditions. On flat pitches sure. Panda still has flaws vs 140 plus bowlers. Yet to see him take them on. Not that he can't. He just needs to stop moving so much. It isn't a weakness as per say. He can certainly work on it but stokes is obviously better in that regard. Many assumptions/use of outliers - a) Pitches are usually flat. Also on turning pitches, you would want to open. Bounce can be good for strokemaking too. Teams have used pinch hitters to take advantage of PPs, b) SDP has flaws v 140+ bowling is also an assumption (he may have issues v certain lengths and/or bowlers but hardly any batsman is perfect). Below is a thread on him discussing his hitting: Quote I would say he is number 2 pace bowling all rounder in the world now in odi and T20? Is that fair? Jadeja and Shakib of you include overall ARs I suppose may be higher than him. There are different types of players with different strengths. I would rather have an inform SDP in my team than the opposition. Edited March 19, 2021 by zen Link to comment
Jay Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, zen said: Many assumptions/use of outliers - a) Pitches are usually flat. Also on turning pitches, you would want to open. Bounce can be good for strokemaking too. Teams have used pinch hitters to take advantage of PPs, b) SDP has flaws v 140+ bowling is also an assumption (he may have issues v certain lengths and/or bowlers but hardly any batsman is perfect). Below is a thread on him discussing his hitting: There are different types of players with different strengths. I would rather have an inform SDP in my team than the opposition. He has issues with certain lengths from short pitch bowling. Which means he struggled vs short pitch bowling above 140 clicks. He has flaws. Opening is always harder than batting in the middle order on most Condtions/wickets especially seaming. Since we are playing in India, opening shouldn't be too hard unless it's turning. Pandya is good vs medium, spin and to an extent fast medium. He has issues vs faster bowlers and it has been proven time and time again. Yea certain lengths trouble him which equates to him having issues vs those bouncy deliveries. Link to comment
zen Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Jay said: He has issues with certain lengths from short pitch bowling. Which means he struggled vs short pitch bowling above 140 clicks. He has flaws. certain area including difficult to hit wide yorkers (Russell too), which fans except to be dispatched for 6s too, yes ... but if a 150+ ball is going to be in his area, it will go in to the stands .... every batsman has flaws esp. when you attempt to hit difficult balls for a 6. If the same balls are played for a single, there are less flaws Quote Opening is always harder than batting in the middle order on most Condtions/wickets especially seaming. In LOIs, middle order is the difficult place to bat in general esp. leading in to the last few overs Quote Since we are playing in India, opening shouldn't be too hard unless it's turning. Arre bhai, on a turning pitch, batting gets difficult as the game progresses Quote Pandya is good vs medium, spin and to an extent fast medium. He has issues vs faster bowlers and it has been proven time and time again. Yea certain lengths trouble him which equates to him having issues vs those bouncy deliveries. Watch his games since IPL 2019 ... not selected instances here and there Edited March 19, 2021 by zen Link to comment
Jay Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, zen said: certain area including difficult to hit wide yorkers (Russell too), which fans except to be dispatched for 6s too, yes ... but if a 150+ ball is going to be in his area, it will go in to the stands .... every batsman has flaws esp. when you attempt to hit difficult balls for a 6. If the same balls are played for a single, there are less flaws In LOIs, middle order is the difficult place to bat in general esp. leading in to the last few overs Arre bhai, on a turning pitch, batting gets difficult as the game progresses Watch his games since IPL 2019 ... not selected instances here and there ipl is not international cricket. intensity is lower. Edited March 19, 2021 by Jay Link to comment
zen Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Jay said: ipl is not international cricket. intensity is lower. Many rate IPL as just behind World T20 (also closer to a world event with its difficult format) ... Bowling attacks are also terrific with guys like Bumrah-Boult-Chahar, Rabbada-Norjke-Ashwin, etc. bowling together ... Only bilaterals among top teams such as Ind v Eng/Aus, Eng v Aus, top teams v a full strength WI, etc., can match in intensity Edited March 19, 2021 by zen Link to comment
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