IPL ... Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners ....

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

no, but you can see our fearsome pace quintet of:

 

mohit "marshall" sharma

boobi "roberts" kumar

harshal "holding" patel

sandeep "croft" sharma

jaydev "akram" undercutter

 

You forgot Mukesh "garner" Kumar 

[Vijy]

34 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

You forgot Mukesh "garner" Kumar 

he is in a league by himself, that's why I didn't mention him

[tapandrun]

Batters are able to shut down Bhumrah again, yes no1 can/will perform in each match but there is a pattern with him...

 

Any particular reason, never seen this happen to top bowlers of their gen. this often....???

[Vijy]

20 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Batters are able to shut down Bhumrah again, yes no1 can/will perform in each match but there is a pattern with him...

 

Any particular reason, never seen this happen to top bowlers of their gen. this often....???

It's the famous Chokohli effect. converted him into chokrah. and rohit into chokit

[New guy]

38 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Batters are able to shut down Bhumrah again, yes no1 can/will perform in each match but there is a pattern with him...

 

Any particular reason, never seen this happen to top bowlers of their gen. this often....???

What? Cummins have been carted around many times. So have every top bowler in t20s.

 

Bumrah is being treated like Sachin was before, if he doesn't excel every single game he so called names, called choker, etc etc. what an ungrateful bunch of people. 

 

And this despite fast bowling being true most difficult thing to do match after match 

[JaFanatic]

9 minutes ago, New guy said:

What? Cummins have been carted around many times. So have every top bowler in t20s.

 

Bumrah is being treated like Sachin was before, if he doesn't excel every single game he so called names, called choker, etc etc. what an ungrateful bunch of people. 

 

And this despite fast bowling being true most difficult thing to do match after match 

He's either among wickets or very economical. He rarely goes expensive with the ball. In fact it lays platform for the other bowlers to claim wickets when the batsmen attack them to compensate for not scoring enough runs in those 4 overs.

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Batters are able to shut down Bhumrah again, yes no1 can/will perform in each match but there is a pattern with him...

 

Any particular reason, never seen this happen to top bowlers of their gen. this often....???

Not sure if the ques was properly framed , was hoping some1 would direct to a solid data behind this pattern or if there is any working theory. Ques was not about this particular match or t20s it a general question.

 

There is an obvious pattern here.

 

Its similar to how Ind experts were thinking and coming up with weird theories of how the pair of Kuldeep and Chahal lost the mojo and how TM, culture was responsible and how it can be fixed.

 

Where it was v.obvious that Kuldeep was slow and if batter does not faulter in the flight and plays them late and have the ability to power big shots of the backfoot then these 2 can be countered and scored off. -- Do nt commit , let the ball bounce and make adjustments and then hit them.

 

It took 2years Ind TM to figure this out, and then they asked Kuldeep to increase air speed and zip.

 

Bhumrah's  only limitation is he is nt 145+ kmph bowler else he has everything near perfect yorkers, can seam, swing  bring ball into right handers and take it away.

Gets extra bounce then why teams and opposition  able to shut him and it does not look like even if he is not taking wkt but he can take wkt anytime.

 

Do not want into go into comparison why some top bowler so mentioned are not that good in white ball/t20 cricket

 

 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2024 by tapandrun

[New guy]

1 hour ago, JaFanatic said:

He's either among wickets or very economical. He rarely goes expensive with the ball. In fact it lays platform for the other bowlers to claim wickets when the batsmen attack them to compensate for not scoring enough runs in those 4 overs.

And? He didn't even go above 10, have seen Cummins etc go above 12, 13 or more. He is being held to inhuman standards. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

 

Bhumrah's  only limitation is he is nt 145+ kmph bowler else he has everything near perfect yorkers, can seam, swing  bring ball into right handers and take it away.

Gets extra bounce

 

 

 

Its true that during 2017 to 2022, when Bumrah could bowl 143 k to 147 k balls whenever the match situation so demanded, and go upto 150 k on good days, he had that enforcer pacers quality. Used to hit the deck and bat so hard and prise out wickets when nothing was happening.

 

He still retains this ability as we saw during the last 4 matches of the WC 23 and a few spells in recent tests vs SA and England.

 

But he uses this ability sparingly now. In ordinary matches, the Bumrah of 2024 is dependant on movement unless it is a special match / spell / situation when decides to bowl flat out 

 

 

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

then why teams and opposition  able to shut him and it does not look like even if he is not taking wkt but he can take wkt anytime.

 

Bumrah of 2024 has to be used when the ball is moving ( unless it is a special match / spell / situation when he decides to bowl flat out fast )

 

There has to be clear communication with the captain in this regard.  Bumrah of 2024 needs to be given the new ball which is moving more or when the ball is reversing in tests, if we want optimum returns. 

 

I doubt that the Bumrah of 2017 to 2022, when he bowled flat out fast in almost every match and hit the deck very hard all the time, will be back.

 

It would ofcourse be great if Bumrah can go back to his 2022  pace and consistent deck hitting ability. Will Bumrah look at this aspect and work on it  ?

[Suhaan]

45 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Its true that during 2017 to 2022, when Bumrah could bowl 143 k to 147 k balls whenever the match situation so demanded, and go upto 150 k on good days, he had that enforcer pacers quality. Used to hit the deck and bat so hard and prise out wickets when nothing was happening.

 

He still retains this ability as we saw during the last 4 matches of the WC 23 and a few spells in recent tests vs SA and England.

 

But he uses this ability sparingly now. In ordinary matches, the Bumrah of 2024 is dependant on movement unless it is a special match / spell / situation when decides to bowl flat out 

 

 

 

Bumrah of 2024 has to be used when the ball is moving ( unless it is a special match / spell / situation when he decides to bowl flat out fast )

 

There has to be clear communication with the captain in this regard.  Bumrah of 2024 needs to be given the new ball which is moving more or when the ball is reversing in tests, if we want optimum returns. 

 

I doubt that the Bumrah of 2017 to 2022, when he bowled flat out fast in almost every match and hit the deck very hard all the time, will be back.

 

It would ofcourse be great if Bumrah can go back to his 2022  pace and consistent deck hitting ability. Will Bumrah look at this aspect and work on it  ?

He is 31 ,very hard to go back there

[express bowling]

21 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

He is 31 ,very hard to go back there

 

30.

 

Can he take inspiration from Wood ?

[Kron]

14 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

For that to happen...we need to have one season of IPL in Australia.

I highly recommend our talented quicks to move abroad to sena

[Kron]

14 hours ago, tapandrun said:

They didnt  take them to t20 wc in Aus, test series in SA , Mayank is being tlked abt. because he is only one of his kind.

If Umraan an Tyagi are given chances and they bowl at and around same pace as him, then experts will try to muddy the water try finding out reasons and sort of create a pick 1 kind of situtation and when opinion is divided they would pick some of their sub 135 kmph bowler telling he is more skilled and will be better suited.

 

They already latched on to him when he pulled out and rested as if he is super injury prone, they are waiting for 1 bad game and you will be hearing all the overused phrases and cliches.

 

Murli Kartik instead of praising Sandeep Sharma pointed out he bowled slower and u do not need pace to take wkts and same old cliche-- or something on similar lines.

 

 

 

 

Even for bumrah initially it wax hey salaah

He is just a t20 bowler 

 

Then he is just loi bowler. 

[Kron]

3 hours ago, New guy said:

And? He didn't even go above 10, have seen Cummins etc go above 12, 13 or more. He is being held to inhuman standards. 

 

3 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Not sure if the ques was properly framed , was hoping some1 would direct to a solid data behind this pattern or if there is any working theory. Ques was not about this particular match or t20s it a general question.

 

There is an obvious pattern here.

 

Its similar to how Ind experts were thinking and coming up with weird theories of how the pair of Kuldeep and Chahal lost the mojo and how TM, culture was responsible and how it can be fixed.

 

Where it was v.obvious that Kuldeep was slow and if batter does not faulter in the flight and plays them late and have the ability to power big shots of the backfoot then these 2 can be countered and scored off. -- Do nt commit , let the ball bounce and make adjustments and then hit them.

 

It took 2years Ind TM to figure this out, and then they asked Kuldeep to increase air speed and zip.

 

Bhumrah's  only limitation is he is nt 145+ kmph bowler else he has everything near perfect yorkers, can seam, swing  bring ball into right handers and take it away.

Gets extra bounce then why teams and opposition  able to shut him and it does not look like even if he is not taking wkt but he can take wkt anytime.

 

Do not want into go into comparison why some top bowler so mentioned are not that good in white ball/t20 cricket

 

 

 

 

You should great steyn. He is lumber 1 choker in loi. Not bumrah.

 

Both are special bowlers

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, Kron said:

 

You should great steyn. He is lumber 1 choker in loi. Not bumrah.

 

Both are special bowlers

Steyn was out and out out-swing bowler , taking ball away from the RH batter, he never added in-swing fearing he will lose the out-swing.

 

So at time he would become predictable in white-ball cricket and batter can line him up knowing he will not bring any ball back into them (RH batter)

Edited April 23, 2024 by tapandrun

[Lord]

11 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Batters are able to shut down Bhumrah again, yes no1 can/will perform in each match but there is a pattern with him...

 

Any particular reason, never seen this happen to top bowlers of their gen. this often....???

 

Doesn't happen to whom?

[Lord]

Mohsin might turn out to be wasted talent. Terrible fitness and attitude.

[Suhaan]

14 minutes ago, Lord said:

Mohsin might turn out to be wasted talent. Terrible fitness and attitude.

Yes very poor attitude, typical lazy dihati arse

On top of that his biggest Achilles heel was his gun barrel straight deliveries irrespective of conditions

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

Doesn't happen to whom?

Which top tier bowler has/had been shut down completely this often.

 

Yes there are batter/teams which certain bowlers are not able to dominate the way they would dominate others, like Kolhi had stick over Malinga.

 

To happen to Bhurmah is bit of surprise he does not have an obvious thing which can be pointed out,  there has to be something. 

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Which top tier bowler has/had been shut down completely this often.

 

Yes there are batter/teams which certain bowlers are not able to dominate the way they would dominate others, like Kolhi had stick over Malinga.

 

To happen to Bhurmah is bit of surprise he does not have an obvious thing which can be pointed out,  there has to be something. 

 

Every bowler gets smacked, not just seen off on their off days. With low scores the effectiveness reduces further.

 

Hardik used Bumrah terribly yesterday