Vaccine theory

[BacktoCricaddict]

21 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

So we vaccinate millions of vulnerable people with compromised immune systems even if the "expected" result is them having no antibodies against the virus? All those large RCTs being put to good use I see.

I see your point.  My intent was to say that the default result is that there will be a response, but if it doesn't happen, it not should be surprising. But I see how the wording is confusing.  

 

Ideally, they should've included them in trials, but it is difficult to get people on immunosuppressants to volunteer for trials.  A good compromise would have been to do least done in vitro studies on blood samples from people who are on immunosuppressants to test for antibodies.  The information from such experiments could have been useful in the decision-making process.  

 

It is also important to remember that there is no vaccine mandate.  These patients should've been advised by their doctors to undergo in vitro tests before being jabbed.

 

Bottom line:  As the article says, if you are not on these medicines, get vaccinated to protect yourself and also protect these vulnerable people who may not be protected. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict

[Vilander]

On 5/26/2021 at 12:20 PM, rkt.india said:

Also need data about how many people died after taking both doses of vaccines due to COVID and also how many died due to the side effects of vaccines.

What will you infer from that data? You are wrong there sorry.. Vaccines dont kill people being stupid on the other hand at times will so please increase your knowledge. OK bye.. 

[Jimmy Cliff]

 

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

 

 

IOW, vaccines don't work.  Except they do.

 

Context:  “While a positive antibody test result can be used to help identify people who may have had prior SARS-CoV-2 infection or resulted from vaccine shots, more research is needed to know whether this test can pick up yet an undetermined category of neutralising antibodies that will provide protection for the future. That is because the currently authorised SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests have not been evaluated to assess the level of protection provided by an immune response to Covid-19 vaccination,” says Dr Subhash Hira, Professor of Global Health at the University of Washington-Seattle.

 

3. If you are vaccinated: Covid-19 vaccine shots may also cause a positive antibody test result for some but not all brands of antibody tests. 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 9, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict

[Jimmy Cliff]

2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

IOW, vaccines don't work.  Except they do.

 

Context:  “While a positive antibody test result can be used to help identify people who may have had prior SARS-CoV-2 infection or resulted from vaccine shots, more research is needed to know whether this test can pick up yet an undetermined category of neutralising antibodies that will provide protection for the future. That is because the currently authorised SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests have not been evaluated to assess the level of protection provided by an immune response to Covid-19 vaccination,” says Dr Subhash Hira, Professor of Global Health at the University of Washington-Seattle.

 

3. If you are vaccinated: Covid-19 vaccine shots may also cause a positive antibody test result for some but not all brands of antibody tests. 

 

 

 

 

 

And yet literally a couple of days back, the very same antibody test was used to identify that "millions" of people on immunosuppressant drugs had no antibodies against the virus and relied on other people being vaccinated for protection. Two days later, the "experts" say  that looking for antibodies is likely to be a pointless exercise. I guess the antibody tests only work perfectly on people that are taking immunosuppressant drugs . 

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

And yet literally a couple of days back, the very same antibody test was used to identify that "millions" of people on immunosuppressant drugs had no antibodies against the virus and relied on other people being vaccinated for protection. Two days later, the "experts" say  that looking for antibodies is likely to be a pointless exercise. I guess the antibody tests only work perfectly on people that are taking immunosuppressant drugs . 

Here's the thing - what they are saying is:  if you are on immunosuppressant drugs, you'd better get checked out.  And others help you out. Why?  Because there is plausible cause for immunosuppression - the immunosuppressant drugs.  For vaccinated individuals - there is no plausible cause for non-production of antibodies.  It is relatively rare.  So, don't panic, most likely reason is non-detection.  Nuance, context, gray areas, discernment.    

[BacktoCricaddict]

More good news:

 

 

Edited June 10, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict

[BacktoCricaddict]

https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/06/09/doctor-claims-during-ohio-statehouse-testimony-that-vaccine-causes-magnetism-makes-spoons-stick-persons-body/

 

A known anti-vaccine advocate made allegations during Tuesday’s Ohio House Health Committee hearing on House Bill 248 claiming that the shot leads to magnetism and causes metal objects to stick to one’s body.

“I’m sure you’ve seen the pictures all over the internet of people who have had these shots and now they’re magnetized. They can put a key on their forehead. It sticks. They can put spoons and forks all over them and they can stick,” Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, who practices in the Cleveland area, said in defense of House Bill 248.

 

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health/dozen-misguided-influencers-spread-most-anti-vaccination-content-social-media

 

A Dozen Misguided Influencers Spread Most of the Anti-Vaccination Content on Social Media

 

The Disinformation Dozen generates two thirds of anti-vaccination content on Facebook and Twitter

 

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/06/09/doctor-claims-during-ohio-statehouse-testimony-that-vaccine-causes-magnetism-makes-spoons-stick-persons-body/

 

A known anti-vaccine advocate made allegations during Tuesday’s Ohio House Health Committee hearing on House Bill 248 claiming that the shot leads to magnetism and causes metal objects to stick to one’s body.

“I’m sure you’ve seen the pictures all over the internet of people who have had these shots and now they’re magnetized. They can put a key on their forehead. It sticks. They can put spoons and forks all over them and they can stick,” Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, who practices in the Cleveland area, said in defense of House Bill 248.

 

 

 

Covid deaths isn't an issue for them but vaccine death is.

[Jimmy Cliff]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing unexpected etc etc.

 

[coffee_rules]

17 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/06/09/doctor-claims-during-ohio-statehouse-testimony-that-vaccine-causes-magnetism-makes-spoons-stick-persons-body/

 

A known anti-vaccine advocate made allegations during Tuesday’s Ohio House Health Committee hearing on House Bill 248 claiming that the shot leads to magnetism and causes metal objects to stick to one’s body.

“I’m sure you’ve seen the pictures all over the internet of people who have had these shots and now they’re magnetized. They can put a key on their forehead. It sticks. They can put spoons and forks all over them and they can stick,” Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, who practices in the Cleveland area, said in defense of House Bill 248.

 

 

 

An Indian  proves this theory true. Man from Ulhasnagar

 

 

[urbestfriend]

19 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

An Indian  proves this theory true. Man from Ulhasnagar

 

 

One more from Maharashtra, magnetic beings.

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/toi-original/believe-it-or-not-nashik-man-claims-second-vaccine-dose-gave-him-magnetic-powers/videoshow/83425332.cms

[BacktoCricaddict]

On 6/13/2021 at 6:43 AM, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing unexpected etc etc.

 

These are definitely scary and I am glad they are being documented and monitored. Glad most of these people have recovered; hoping their docs will continue to monitor. It is really sad that the Italian authorities flouted age guidelines and administered AZ to the 18-yr old when it was advised not to. 

 

Both my teenaged children got both their doses and so far, they are doing fine. But, the myocarditis symptoms are a bit scary and I've been keeping a close watch.  Thanks for keeping the board informed of these side-effects, which although extremely rare, can be scary. 

 

 

[urbestfriend]

12 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

These are definitely scary and I am glad they are being documented and monitored. Glad most of these people have recovered; hoping their docs will continue to monitor. It is really sad that the Italian authorities flouted age guidelines and administered AZ to the 18-yr old when it was advised not to. 

 

Both my teenaged children got both their doses and so far, they are doing fine. But, the myocarditis symptoms are a bit scary and I've been keeping a close watch.  Thanks for keeping the board informed of these side-effects, which although extremely rare, can be scary. 

 

 

Whats more sad is there is no age related guideline in india for Asta zeneca..Either Indians are not affected by these rare happenings or Indian life is cheap.

[BacktoCricaddict]

5 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

Whats more sad is there is no age related guideline in india for Asta zeneca..Either Indians are not affected by these rare happenings or Indian life is cheap.

So true.  While the success of these vaccines cannot be denied, monitoring and documenting side-effects is very important.  Clinical trials are done on 50,000 people.  These side-effect seem like they occur with 1-to-5 in a million odds, and could have been missed in clinical trials.  

[Jimmy Cliff]

18 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

Whats more sad is there is no age related guideline in india for Asta zeneca..Either Indians are not affected by these rare happenings or Indian life is cheap.

 

Definitely the latter. Btw I have concerns about the advertised "rarity" of these events as well. 

 

 

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

6 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

Definitely the latter. Btw I have concerns about the advertised "rarity" of these events as well. 

 

 

 

 

Article is behind a pay-wall.  Was able to access another one that came later and describes Australia's action after Dr. Paul Effler's warning.  

 

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-chief-health-officer-flags-more-choice-in-future-as-astrazeneca-concerns-mount-20210611-p5809q.html

 

Dr Robertson’s comments come after one of his senior medical advisors, Dr Paul Effler, warned the risk of developing blood clots from taking the Astra Zeneca vaccine was five to eight times higher than previously thought.

 

However, Dr Robertson stressed the benefits of getting vaccinated still far outweighed the risks of getting a severe case of COVID-19.

“The risk [of getting a blood clot] is around one in 55,000 for those aged 50 to 59 and one in 60,000 for those aged 60 to 69,” he said.

 

“Just to put that in context, if you were a smoker, your risk of getting a clot is about 70 times more. If you like flying to the east coast, your risk of having a clot is about 12 times more.

 

“Your risk of dying from the actual disease itself [COVID-19] is around 70 times more. So the disease is far worse.”

Dr Robertson said the likelihood of a 55-year-old who contracted COVID-19 dying from the disease was around one in 1250.

Of the 3.6 million jabs administered nationally to date, 48 blood clotting cases have been recorded resulting in two people dying.

To Thursday, 3.6 per cent of West Australians, or 76,283 people, had been fully vaccinated, while 444,401 people had received their first dose.

 

Dr Robertson said between 70 and 80 per cent of the community would need to be immunised to consider lifting international borders, and prevent lockdowns in response to outbreaks.

 

“But we’ve just got to remind everyone that COVID is a deadly disease that causes far, far more clots, far, far more illness, hospitalisation and death then anything you could possibly get from a vaccine,” he told Radio 6PR.

[Jimmy Cliff]

2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Article is behind a pay-wall.  Was able to access another one that came later and describes Australia's action after Dr. Paul Effler's warning.  

 

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-chief-health-officer-flags-more-choice-in-future-as-astrazeneca-concerns-mount-20210611-p5809q.html

 

Dr Robertson’s comments come after one of his senior medical advisors, Dr Paul Effler, warned the risk of developing blood clots from taking the Astra Zeneca vaccine was five to eight times higher than previously thought.

 

However, Dr Robertson stressed the benefits of getting vaccinated still far outweighed the risks of getting a severe case of COVID-19.

“The risk [of getting a blood clot] is around one in 55,000 for those aged 50 to 59 and one in 60,000 for those aged 60 to 69,” he said.

 

“Just to put that in context, if you were a smoker, your risk of getting a clot is about 70 times more. If you like flying to the east coast, your risk of having a clot is about 12 times more.

 

“Your risk of dying from the actual disease itself [COVID-19] is around 70 times more. So the disease is far worse.”

Dr Robertson said the likelihood of a 55-year-old who contracted COVID-19 dying from the disease was around one in 1250.

Of the 3.6 million jabs administered nationally to date, 48 blood clotting cases have been recorded resulting in two people dying.

To Thursday, 3.6 per cent of West Australians, or 76,283 people, had been fully vaccinated, while 444,401 people had received their first dose.

 

Dr Robertson said between 70 and 80 per cent of the community would need to be immunised to consider lifting international borders, and prevent lockdowns in response to outbreaks.

 

“But we’ve just got to remind everyone that COVID is a deadly disease that causes far, far more clots, far, far more illness, hospitalisation and death then anything you could possibly get from a vaccine,” he told Radio 6PR.

 

[urbestfriend]

3 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

Definitely the latter. Btw I have concerns about the advertised "rarity" of these events as well. 

 

 

 

 

Indeed..In India noone is keeping track of vaccination related clots and it is treated as just another illness. One example