It will be a great day for Indian cricket when the team moves away from playing spinners in SENA

[sensible-indian]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Sydney, Adelaide, Edgbaston are the most spin friendly tracks in those countries. You expect spinners to do well there. Despite that, seamers are picking majority of the wickets. Like in India, spinners pick 15 wickets and pacers 4-5. Credit for win is given to spinners, not seamers. Let me know when they pick 14-15 wickets inna test overseas. Until they are just supporting caste.

Yes great stuff.

 

Pacers hunting in packs is allowed.

 

But spinners should pick 6fers or they are useless.

 

Take out the spinners contribution in those games and we would have lost. Melbourne 2020 is an example.

 

Also by the way, there are 3-4 pacers for 1 spinner.

 

Of course they will take more wickets.

 

But sure let me ask for 15 wickets by a spinner in SENA while being happy with 2-3 wickets per pacer.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2021 by sensible-indian

[zen]

1 minute ago, sensible-indian said:

Yes our spinners never picked up improtant wickets or got them quickly.

 

Lets forget any match where that has happened even if the matches have been listed out in this very thread.

 

Life is so much simpler.

If spinners were that that great in SENA, teams would be discussing playing 4 spinners v 4 pacers. 

[sensible-indian]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

If spinners were that that great in SENA, teams would be discussing playing 4 spinners v 4 pacers. 

I agree.

 

Spinners are NOT equal to pacers in SENA.

 

They play an important supporting role tho.

 

The argument that spinners have to outright win the game or i wont pick even a single one of them is ridiculous.

 

If they play a crucial role, they have comtributed to the win.

 

Irony is that no pacer outright contributes to a win either like a spinner does in Asia.

 

Hunting in packs is good enough.

 

Edited September 7, 2021 by sensible-indian

[zen]

Just now, sensible-indian said:

I agree.

 

Spinners are NOT equal to pacers in SENA.

 

They play an important supporting role.

 

The argument that soinners have to outright win the game or i wont pick even a single one of them is ridiculous.

 

If they play a crucial role, they have comtributed to the win

 

It is about building an attack that provides a better chance of running through sides. If a team has 4-5 reliable pace options that can not only provide support but also increase the probability of 2-4 of the having a great game, it would make sense to move towards it. Of course, if a team encounters big spin friendly conditions, it can evaluate its options accordingly 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Let me know when they pick 14-15 wickets inna test overseas. Until they are just supporting caste.

 

1. Ashwin 2016 Wi tour 17 wkts 
2.  Kumble 2003 24 wkts (didnt play 4 tes)
3.  BG 2021 ( no Indian bowler picked 14-15 coz no one played all test , had ashwin played he wud have 14 for sure as he was on 12)
4. Kumble 2006 Aussie tour 23 wkts 
5.  2002 england tour Kumble 14 highest wkt taker from both sides, bhajji highest 3rd highest wkt taker 12 wkts ...............and both didnt play all 4 test 
6. 2006 Sa tour Anil kumble 14
7.  2010 Sa tour bhajji 15 (highest indian wkt taker in series)
8. 2007 england tour kumble 14 wkts 

 

 

[rkt.india]

9 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

I agree.

 

Spinners are NOT equal to pacers in SENA.

 

They play an important supporting role tho.

 

The argument that spinners have to outright win the game or i wont pick even a single one of them is ridiculous.

 

If they play a crucial role, they have comtributed to the win.

 

Irony is that no pacer outright contributes to a win either like a spinner does in Asia.

 

Hunting in packs is good enough.

 

 

The wickets that are picked by spinners can also be picked by a pacer if you replace that spinner with a pacer. 

 

Cant be said the same when we play at home.  Think about it. Can we replace a spinner with a good seamer and it won't make much of a difference? Yes, you can most of the times but we can't when we play at home. There, we can replace a pacer with a good spinner. Can even play with just one pacer on those dust bowls or just no pacer at all on pitches like we had in Ahmedabad.

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

1. Ashwin 2016 Wi tour 17 wkts 
2.  Kumble 2003 24 wkts (didnt play 4 tes)
3.  BG 2021 ( no Indian bowler picked 14-15 coz no one played all test , had ashwin played he wud have 14 for sure as he was on 12)
4. Kumble 2006 Aussie tour 23 wkts 
5.  2002 england tour Kumble 14 highest wkt taker from both sides, bhajji highest 3rd highest wkt taker 12 wkts ...............and both didnt play all 4 test 
6. 2006 Sa tour Anil kumble 14
7.  2010 Sa tour bhajji 15 (highest indian wkt taker in series)
8. 2007 england tour kumble 14 wkts 

 

 

I am not talking about test series but a single test match when we play or played two spinners. How many times they picked 10-12 wickets in a single test? Don't bring WI, only SENA 

Edited September 7, 2021 by rkt.india

[Ankit_sharma03]

26 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Sydney, Adelaide, Edgbaston are the most spin friendly tracks in those countries. You expect spinners to do well there. Despite that, seamers are picking majority of the wickets. Like in India, spinners pick 15 wickets and pacers 4-5. Credit for win is given to spinners, not seamers. Let me know when they pick 14-15 wickets inna test overseas. Until they are just supporting caste.

 

Sydney was a pink ball test this yr day night , yet ashwin was the highest wkt taker in the only inning we bowled on day 2.................even adeilade or sydney turns its from 4th n 5th day . They are actually pattas more then spin freindly 

Melbourne bhi spin friendly tha??? Ash n Jaddu together took 8 wkts in this yrs test 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

I am not talking about test series but a single test match when we play or played two spinners. How many times they picked 10-12 wickets in a single test? Don't bring WI, only SENA 

 

Abhi overseas tha fir SENA ho gaya 

 

18 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Let me know when they pick 14-15 wickets inna test overseas.

 pehle 14-15 tha...ab 10-12 ho gaya

 

 

In overseas its pacer who take wkts coz its pacer friendly but spinners have their role 

10-12 wkts overseas by spinners are u kidding me, if that happened regularly we wud have been playing 2 spinners

And with our current attack wkts are getting shared. In all the wkts i showed they are taking 1/4th wkts which is what every bowler shud do ....Our pacers are not leaving wkts for spinners at home

 

How many 10 wkts haul does ur pacer have overseas including WI ....forget 12-14-15 (ur constant goal changing post)

 

Bumrah 0

Shami 0 

Ishant -1 (only in WI ...doesnt count acc to u )

bhuvi 0 

umesh 0

 

Kumble has 12 wkt haul in aus 

 

u knw why coz all are so good that wkts are getting shared

 

[Lord]

Its hilarious to suggest that we lost WTC because of spinner when Ashwin was our best bowler lol

 

Its the batsmen and seamers who failed to turn up,majorly batsmen.

 

Even 5 pacers won't win you the game if you score 207 & 170

 

 

[sensible-indian]

On 9/7/2021 at 3:26 PM, rkt.india said:

 

The wickets that are picked by spinners can also be picked by a pacer if you replace that spinner with a pacer. 

 

Cant be said the same when we play at home.  Think about it. Can we replace a spinner with a good seamer and it won't make much of a difference? Yes, you can most of the times but we can't when we play at home. There, we can replace a pacer with a good spinner. Can even play with just one pacer on those dust bowls or just no pacer at all on pitches like we had in Ahmedabad.

Not necessarily.

 

You obviously know a lot about cricket and its technical intricacies so I don't think I even need to explain this.