Looks fast Feels Faster - for fast bowling fans

[Jay]

I do not agree with the notion about Cummins being better than bumrah. Give bumrah the Aussie batting lineup and he will take them to even higher levels. Our batsmen cant put up half decent scores and can't even chase 200 under kohli. When you have a batting unit that tires out opposition bowlers, the job becomes easier for fast bowlers of your team as your opponents have to deal with fatigue and scoreboard pressure.Goat Smith Warner marnus green is way better than our batting unit. Our batting is a joke unless you are talking about our young guns who have immense potential. Not to mention australia actually has good fielders as well. Take that into account. 

 

Only weakness in Australia is Harris who should be replaced replaced khawaja. The other one being head but head is light years ahead of rahane current kohli and even pujara. 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Jay

[vvvslaxman]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

I do not agree with the notion about Cummins being better than bumrah. Give bumrah the Aussie batting lineup and he will take them to even higher levels. Our batsmen cant put up half decent scores and can't even chase 200 under kohli. When you have a batting unit that tires out opposition bowlers, the job becomes easier for fast bowlers of your team as your opponents have to deal with fatigue and scoreboard pressure.Goat Smith Warner marnus green is way better than our batting unit. Our batting is a joke unless you are talking about our young guns who have immense potential. Not to mention australia actually has good fielders as well. Take that into account. 

 

Only weakness in Australia is Harris who should be replaced replaced khawaja. The other one being head but head is light years ahead of rahane current kohli and even pujara. 

 

If you look at the individual numbers it is remarkably identical. Both picked a 9fer at the MCG 9 for 86 Bumrah 9 for 98 Pat in the same match.  In Johanasburg  Bumrah picked 7 for 111. At the same venue Pat picked 9 for 141. So similar average. Both average over 30 in India.  Only thing we have to wait and see how well Pat bowls in New zealand. I am surprised how he is yet to play a Test there. Those grounds against this ATG NZ side will be quiet a challenge.

[Jay]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

If you look at the individual numbers it is remarkably identical. Both picked a 9fer at the MCG 9 for 86 Bumrah 9 for 98 Pat in the same match.  In Johanasburg  Bumrah picked 7 for 111. At the same venue Pat picked 9 for 141. So similar average. Both average over 30 in India.  Only thing we have to wait and see how well Pat bowls in New zealand. I am surprised how he is yet to play a Test there. Those grounds against this ATG NZ side will be quiet a challenge.

bumrah needs to show he can average under 26 in india. he certainly can. then i can say he is a true ATG. same with cummins. 

[Mesky99]

9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah bowls with an angle, so, it's difficult for him to maintain it. Cummins bowls from close to the crease like McGrath but 10 kph quicker. He is a better and quicker version of McGrath. 20 more tests with similar performance and he will be considered a GOAT.

 Bumrah and Cummins are about the same pace if anything bum a bit quicker, Cummins and yadav are about the same pace. Hazelwood would be the quickest version of mcgrath, Cummins is more of a relentless enforcer, Jason Gillespie had similar traits.

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

 Bumrah and Cummins are about the same pace if anything bum a bit quicker, Cummins and yadav are about the same pace. Hazelwood would be the quickest version of mcgrath, Cummins is more of a relentless enforcer, Jason Gillespie had similar traits.

Cummins is faster than Hazelwood. Cummins generally maintains 137-147k. At times, he can crank it up to 150k. Bumrah pace wise is similar but bowling style is different.

 

Hazelwood generally bowls 132-140 and crank up to 145 at times.

Edited December 9, 2021 by rkt.india

[Mesky99]

37 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Cummins is faster than Hazelwood. Cummins generally maintains 137-147k. At times, he can crank it up to 150k. Bumrah pace wise is similar but bowling style is different.

 

Hazelwood generally bowls 132-140 and crank up to 145 at times.

Cummins barely gets it over 140kph these days, even on day 1 don't remember him bowling much over 140kph. He is now 136-139 range in test cricket.

[vvvslaxman]

54 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Cummins barely gets it over 140kph these days, even on day 1 don't remember him bowling much over 140kph. He is now 136-139 range in test cricket.

 

Steyn did the same. He would crank up the speed late in the evening to surprise the opposition who would be prepared to make some easy runs. Fast bowlers cannot maintain 150k all the time in Tests. It will cut short your career.  It is all about bowling quick when you want to. Cummins is perfectly capable of that. Munaf when he started was clocking 140ks. Then he regressed to a 125k bowler.

[Jay]

18 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Steyn did the same. He would crank up the speed late in the evening to surprise the opposition who would be prepared to make some easy runs. Fast bowlers cannot maintain 150k all the time in Tests. It will cut short your career.  It is all about bowling quick when you want to. Cummins is perfectly capable of that. Munaf when he started was clocking 140ks. Then he regressed to a 125k bowler.

Booms

Cumms

Rabs 

Shahnns

 

All are capable of cranking it up when they want to. 

[mishra]

Reading the initial article here are my thoughts which i think is not covered in article about percived speed. A batsman is trained to follow the ball right from release. So you ball a full toss to a bat even in test matches at 140kph and he won’t get beaten most like dispatch it gor 4, but a bouncer at 140 and batsman will look hurried. A yorker and it may crush the toe or hit the stumps.

 

For batsman i assume hand automatically reacts but, Its all about how much (in terms of time) his eyes and head has to follow the ball. Time batsman gets and head/body position determines how hurried batsman will be as reaction and pallnining for bat is when ball is reaching near stumps post pitching. So wrong anticipation and ball looks to hurry the bat. One bouncer rule in white ball cricket is exactly for the reason to support bat in making correct anticipation of length of ball.

 

Brain is beautiful thing. We as spectators perceive the ball speed based on reaction of bat. As u mentioned, 0.4 seconds is very little time.

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

If you look at the individual numbers it is remarkably identical. Both picked a 9fer at the MCG 9 for 86 Bumrah 9 for 98 Pat in the same match.  In Johanasburg  Bumrah picked 7 for 111. At the same venue Pat picked 9 for 141. So similar average. Both average over 30 in India.  Only thing we have to wait and see how well Pat bowls in New zealand. I am surprised how he is yet to play a Test there. Those grounds against this ATG NZ side will be quiet a challenge.

 

 

Bumrah's average in India is from 2 tests only ... and in one of those tests, he hardly bowled as the pitch was the rankest of turners.

 

And in the other test, the pitch was ultra flat, especially in the 1st innings. But he bowled a couple of dangerous spells even there.

 

As Bumrah is a master of reversing the ball at good pace and bowls cracking indipping yorkers ... he will definitely do well in India.

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

13 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

Cummins barely gets it over 140kph these days, even on day 1 don't remember him bowling much over 140kph. He is now 136-139 range in test cricket.

 

 

Cummins bowling 132 k to 141 k today till tea.

 

Mostly in the 135 k to 140 k range.

 

Even in the T20 World Cup, he was mostly within 143 kph.

[express bowling]

12 hours ago, Jay said:

Booms

Cumms

Rabs 

Shahnns

 

All are capable of cranking it up when they want to. 

 

 

Yes ... established fast bowlers, playing for 5+ years and playing all the important matches ... like Cummins, Bumrah and Rabada ... will invariable vary between genuine fast spells and fast-medium spells.

 

They won't be able to bowl.145 kph in every spell ... but they can crank it up when needed. 

 

Someone like a Mark Wood, although he is 31, has not played much and is used as a tearaway quick in short spells and rested in most matches. 

[Jay]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Yes ... established fast bowlers, playing for 5+ years and playing all the important matches ... like Cummins, Bumrah and Rabada ... will invariable vary between genuine fast spells and fast-medium spells.

 

They won't be able to bowl.145 kph in every spell ... but they can crank it up when needed. 

 

Someone like a Mark Wood, although he is 31, has not played much and is used as a tearaway quick in short spells and rested in most matches. 

Even Olivier. Vs pakistN he bowled 138-146 consistently. Vs lanka he barely bowled over 138. 

 

Wood too. Plays one game and then rests for 2 or is injured. It doesn't even count imo.

[rkt.india]

14 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

Cummins barely gets it over 140kph these days, even on day 1 don't remember him bowling much over 140kph. He is now 136-139 range in test cricket.

Only in this test, probably because he is a captain, not exerting. Just earlier this year against us he was hitting 150. So can't say. One game won't define his pace.

Edited December 10, 2021 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

29 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Yes ... established fast bowlers, playing for 5+ years and playing all the important matches ... like Cummins, Bumrah and Rabada ... will invariable vary between genuine fast spells and fast-medium spells.

 

They won't be able to bowl.145 kph in every spell ... but they can crank it up when needed. 

 

Someone like a Mark Wood, although he is 31, has not played much and is used as a tearaway quick in short spells and rested in most matches. 

And a good fast bowler doesn't need to bowl 100% pace in every over or every spell.  

Edited December 10, 2021 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Only in this test, probably because he is a captain, not exerting. Just earlier this year against he was hitting 150. So can't say. One game won't define his pace.

 

Cummins bowled just 1 ball at 150 kph in only the 4th test vs us.   His fastest till the 3rd test was around 145 kph. 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

And a good fast bowler doesn't need to bowl 100% pace in every over or every spell.  

 

 

But the ability to crank it up to 90 mph+ 

in almost every match, whenever the need arises, is quite important.

 

I am happy to see that Siraj is developing this ability too.

[Mesky99]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Cummins bowled just 1 ball at 150 kph in only the 4th test vs us.   His fastest till the 3rd test was around 145 kph. 

Bumrah is a lot quicker consistently, it's not as if Cummins is not trying to bowl quick, he bends his back every ball, just not capable enough anymore, fast medium same speeds as Umesh, bumrah is a still a quick bowler and can be express when needed, prasidh has outpaced Cummins while playing for kkr. 

[Mesky99]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

And a good fast bowler doesn't need to bowl 100% pace in every over or every spell.  

My point was not regarding good or bad fast bowlers, Cummins now is no more express, even when he tries to crank it up he is barely over 142kph, bumrah can get it to 150kph in selective, so he still has that ability, Umesh is the same as Cummins now, watch the highlights todays play Cummins on average was just slightly quicker than Hazelwood.

[Mesky99]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

Even Olivier. Vs pakistN he bowled 138-146 consistently. Vs lanka he barely bowled over 138. 

 

Wood too. Plays one game and then rests for 2 or is injured. It doesn't even count imo.

I think with Olivier he added on a extra yard or two from no where in the Pak series, he played in eng earlier was more of a 135-139 kph range bowler, merchant de Lange was rapid on his debut in 2012, at that time him, Steven Finn, starc, Cummins, pattinson, Varun, Umesh were all collectively bowling quick, Finn in the odi's against India in 2011 was express, 150kph stuff.