Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 https://thewire.in/government/pm-modis-seaplane-ride-violates-spg-blue-book-dgca-guidelines-vip-travel Was this a valid question earlier? Dery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Another video circulating on news channels showing BJP supporters close to Modi's convoy Vancouver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Even this is being questioned. How was this a non-issue? Vancouver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Trichromatic said: Another video circulating on news channels showing BJP supporters close to Modi's convoy There is massive support to PM Modi all over India. Peiple here need to recall how students gathered to listen to Rahul Gandhi in some premier Institute started chanting pro Modi Slogans in middle of Rahul Gandhi’s QnA session. As far as I understand, someone leaked the news and gathered the protestors to block the PMs convoy without understanding the implications of what they were doing. Capt Amrindher did say in his interview sometime back, Punjab is border state with a hostile neighbour and hence Government (central and state) has to be extra vigilant in whatever they do. coffee_rules and Trichromatic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, mishra said: There is massive support to PM Modi all over India. Peiple here need to recall how students gathered to listen to Rahul Gandhi in some premier Institute started chanting pro Modi Slogans in middle of Rahul Gandhi’s QnA session. As far as I understand, someone leaked the news and gathered the protestors to block the PMs convoy without understanding the implications of what they were doing. Capt Amrindher did say in his interview sometime back, Punjab is border state with a hostile neighbour and hence Government (central and state) has to be extra vigilant in whatever they do. How is all the related to the post that you quoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: How is all the related to the post that you quoted? We are looking into moot point how the travel route details got leaked from DMs office , to what extent it was leaked and why. Unlike those protests, this info could have been also used to plan a targeted attack. Questioning SPG or their/PMs decision to let people reach near PM or PMs convoy is deflecting attention. Political leaders all over world, meet people and break protocols all the time as they are public figures. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, mishra said: We are looking into moot point how the travel route details got leaked from DMs office , to what extent it was leaked and why. Unlike those protests, this info could have been also used to plan a targeted attack. Questioning SPG or their/PMs decision to let people reach near PM or PMs convoy is deflecting attention. Political leaders all over world, meet people and break protocols all the time as they are public figures. So are you saying the people in video who were carrrying BJP flags in video were allowed by PM/SPG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: So are you saying the people in video who were carrrying BJP flags in video were allowed by PM/SPG? Public will reach to public figure. No amount of SPG can stop it. SPG knows it too. Secrecy is maintained so that say someone can not plan and target the convoy with experts of fire arm , say with a telescopic Gun or some other deadly weapon. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 There is a difference between supporters queuing up to meet their leader vs the deliberate leak of the route by vested interests in stalling the whole convoy for more than 15 mins.. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, diga said: There is a difference between supporters queuing up to meet their leader vs the deliberate leak of the route by vested interests in stalling the whole convoy for more than 15 mins.. Leakage has risk associated with it. As long as SPG knew they will have to stop their on bridge for 15 minutes, they could have taken precautions. People need to understand differnve between unknown and calculated risk. This was a case of unknown risk. Hence the issue coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, mishra said: Public will reach to public figure. No amount of SPG can stop it. SPG knows it too. Secrecy is maintained so that say someone can not plan and target the convoy with experts of fire arm , say with a telescopic Gun or some other deadly weapon. So you're saying that those people who were carrying BJP flags were all vetted by SPG and allowed by PM. Where did you get this info from? Stan AF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Trichromatic said: So you're saying that those people who were carrying BJP flags were all vetted by SPG and allowed by PM. Where did you get this info from? You are intelligent enough to distinguish the 2 incidents and still you want to clutch onto straws coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, diga said: You are intelligent enough to distinguish the 2 incidents and still you want to clutch onto straws Yes I have already posted comments about one incident and looking for answer on second one. You quoted my post and tried to say something which isn't clear. So, from where did you get this information that those people carrying BJP flags were allowed by SPG and PM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dery Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Modi so afraid of protestors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: So you're saying that those people who were carrying BJP flags were all vetted by SPG and allowed by PM. Where did you get this info from? No, But SPG has to deal with such occasional unavoidable risk. They are trained to do it despite knowing that something like Rajiv Gandhi or JCK assassination can happen. coffee_rules and diga 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Dery said: Modi so afraid of protestors Indian security establishment is not Afghanistan or Pakistan where leaders can not be protected. Post Gandhiji, We have had two assassination and in both cases, it was attack from terrorist organisation. And in both cases, the leaders ignored the warning. Indiraji was not ready to get rid of Security personnels on basis of religion and Rajiv ji wanted to meet Tamils despite Srilanka peacekeeping force debacle coffee_rules, diga and dial_100 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 38 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Yes I have already posted comments about one incident and looking for answer on second one. You quoted my post and tried to say something which isn't clear. So, from where did you get this information that those people carrying BJP flags were allowed by SPG and PM? You are clutching on to the straws... coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Yes I have already posted comments about one incident and looking for answer on second one. You quoted my post and tried to say something which isn't clear. So, from where did you get this information that those people carrying BJP flags were allowed by SPG and PM? I dont think any of this was vetted. It is not like security or police had any control on this situation except maneuvering convoy vehicles. When PM's convoy goes on a tour then all the options are provided to local state police upon their agreement with other agencies a final plan is put in place. There are clear guidelines. All central security teams and state teams agree to everything. When the actual plan is executed then SPGs are merely protecting PM and taking the route given to them by the central planning team who does security vetting. There are multiple options discussed and state police have to agree upon all the alternative options before tour goes on. Or else it is considered that PM is not approved to travel. typically a plan involves endpoints and events. endpoints where travel happens events where activities happen. so for endpoint travels, multiple options are discussed much in advance and state gives clearance. So when option 1 is not possible to travel from point A to point B, option 2 is taken. At all the decision points, during the tour, DCP and Chief Secretary are with the convoy So in the above case, when air route was not cleared by central security agency because of bad whether, option 2 was taken So that becomes a decision point when SPG head calls DCP and CS to clear route for option 2 They give clearance and convoy goes on to take the route. Now on the bridge/flyover, they had to stop because 1-3 miles ahead there is a blockage SPG reaches out to DCP or CS, no answer. They reach out to CM, no answer This is when convoy decided to return to starting point, the airport. These 20+ min were enough for people to start gathering. Because it is unplanned gathering, it is undesirable situation. How do you know each and everyone of them is BJP supporter. Besides whoever they are, it doesnt matter. This is unplanned where SPG has very little to no control on the situation. You posted some other video when Modi is accepting a scarf is not unplanned. Local BJP leaders must have vetted such move. 99.99% of things are part of the plan. Even though PM is not told sometimes in advance, security team is aware and some senior leader vouch for a close contact like offering a scarf etc. by the way, what is your point? Are you suggesting PM convoy was not in danger? coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Nothing happens without a reason. We would be naïve to believe that it just happened because of some petty politics and/or some carelessness. We are merely discussing petty things but this could be much larger than that. This is extremely embarrassing to India if you know how to look at it. we have given away something very vital. Democracies are like that. These flaws are obvious when state and federal rule books and guidelines are not followed. mishra and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, dial_100 said: Nothing happens without a reason. We would be naïve to believe that it just happened because of some petty politics and/or some carelessness. We are merely discussing petty things but this could be much larger than that. This is extremely embarrassing to India if you know how to look at it. we have given away something very vital. Democracies are like that. These flaws are obvious when state and federal rule books and guidelines are not followed. Determining the reason is crucial. It may very well be simple, unintentional genuine political miscalculation or just a error in judgement of official. But we need to be sure that it wasn’t sinister as lapse had far reaching implications. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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