Arshdeep career should be over…

[Jay]

Like I said. 

No chahal

No kela opening

 

[Jay]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

helpful pitches in India

Abhi kuch din pehle to likh rha tha indian pitches are not helpful for seamers so we shudnt judge youngsters record .....................1 match men palti 

wo youngster jinke naam le rha wo bhi unhi helpful pitches pe khelte hai 

Pichle match men he took wkts, tab bhi UAE hi tha

 

Logic men koi consistency nhin hai??

 

Like i speed gun doesnt mean wkts 

He is ****. That's reality. As a front line bowler he is ****. Good for support only. Chahal is beyond trash. Kela opening is ****. Better at 4. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Jay said:

He is ****. That's reality. As a front line bowler he is ****. Good for support only. Chahal is beyond trash. Kela opening is ****. Better at 4. 

prove it he is **** 

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

Yea he played on helpful pitches in India. He sucks as a lead bowler. Like I said. Trundler will always be a trundler.

 

I don't think it is the speed that was the issue. If anything knuckle balls were ideal for this pitch. Problem was Kumar bottled totally seeing how batsmen moved around the crease.  He didn't t rust himself to bowl yorker. Instead resort to pie length balls.  wide balls.

[Jay]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

prove it he is **** 

You saw what happened on flat pitch yesterday

[Jay]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

prove it he is **** 

As a front line bowler he is shi*. He is so easy to line up against.  But as a support bowler he is fine. Won't say good but fine. 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Jay

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Speed creates the deception though don't need to bowl it all the time,otherwise they will only wait for the slower one,unless action is hard to pick.

 

A 10 km speed difference would be enough. At the end of the day these variations work only when you are spot on with your delivery. If you bowl a 150 kph wide ball and bowl a 120 kph half volley in the next ball you are still likely to disappear. 

[vvvslaxman]

This pitch was a sluggish pitch. Ball was just sitting up. You should have realized that when our top 3 out of the blue started playing aggressively. That was a tell tale sign. It is incredible how SkY, Pant, Pandya missed out on such a good batting wicket.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Speed creates the deception though don't need to bowl it all the time,otherwise they will only wait for the slower one,unless action is hard to pick.

so does swing, turn, slower one , bounce

 

Deception is deception be it any kind and these days high pace isnt much of deception unless it adds with bounce or swing. Yesterday playing pace was easy on the pitch, their pacers who bowl at higher pace went for more runs. Hardik who is our quickest went for most . Rohit stepped out and smacked naseem shah , nawaz and rizwan wkts came on slower ball deceptions 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Jay said:

As a front line bowler he is shi*. He is so easy to line up against.  But as a support bowler he is fine. Won't say good but fine. 

yet his eco is so good, the guy eco in his worst season never touched 8 ................all those guys name u take their best season eco has always been above 8

Wonder how easily get lined up that too on helpful indian pitches (Acc to you) . IF he is **** then how **** are they that their best is still worst then his worst 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

A 10 km speed difference would be enough. At the end of the day these variations work only when you are spot on with your delivery. If you bowl a 150 kph wide ball and bowl a 120 kph half volley in the next ball you are still likely to disappear. 

yes for anything to work u need to first land it at right spot , 

150k ball in slot or 130k ball in slot both end up going for runs only. Even that extra pace wont magically turn bad ball into good 

 

Pandya bowled wrong length acc to this pitch which was right lengths on previous Ind-pak game so he got hit around, length adjustment led his failure . Need to adjust acc to pitch and opposition

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes for anything to work u need to first land it at right spot , 

150k ball in slot or 130k ball in slot both end up going for runs only. Even that extra pace wont magically turn bad ball into good 

 

Pandya bowled wrong length acc to this pitch which was right lengths on previous Ind-pak game so he got hit around, length adjustment led his failure . Need to adjust acc to pitch and opposition

 

What is more appalling is, this was evident when we batted. Pakistan pacers just could not extract anything out of the surface. Most of their wickets were due to cutters. 

[Sandz]

So how did the Pakistani speed merchants fare yesterday? Not so good, should their careers be ending as well?
 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Sandz said:

So how did the Pakistani speed merchants fare yesterday? Not so good, should their careers be ending as well?
 

 

 

I think this thread was not started for his bowling. He was one of the better fast bowlers from both sides. It was the dropped catch and his subsequent reaction was not really welcome by Indian fans. 

[Mesky99]

Okay bowler, you will get safe 4 overs 28-32 runs performances from him with max two wickets, the squad selection was completely off track and the selectors have themselves to be blamed, not trying out bowlers with potential and pace but going for the safe route is never gonna work, Siraj would have hurried three average Pak batsmen, they virtually have zero techniques bar Babar, tyagi, Sen, umran, Mohsin are all far of selection.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

The more options you have the better it is ,bhuvi has  leg and off cutter as well as knuckle ,it can't get any better it terms of variations but he lacks height and pace.

 

he has yorker and varitons which isnt just about slower one but also length

that logic ill buy if he wasnt successful in t20 but he is mighty successful 

 

9 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Pakistani pacers don't have as much variations but depend on their pace and offcutters,if they add legcutters to their armour then it will be even harder to play.

 

pakistani pacers to begin with lack experience so variation will come with time time 

yes once u have all tools all that wud be left if execution which is line-length , thats the most important but someone like bhuvi ticks most boxes already .........he may not have height may not have pace (although his pace is decent ) but he ticks all boxes which is why he is successful in t20 

 

Ull hardly find very few like Archer-Bumrah-starc who ll tick all boxes and we dont have anyone like that sitting out. Im ready to talk about bhuvi position but give me an archer-shaheen-bumrah to keep him out . But then even someone like shaheen with his pace fcked up in t20 Wc with slot balls to wade. 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

del

Edited September 5, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So were ours , on good wkts ull mostly see cutters working coz batsman love the ball coming on bat and when it doesnt it breaks their timing hence wkt .

 

 

It is good to have variation in attack. But it is also important to be adaptable to conditions. It is disappointing such an experienced bowler like Bhuvi getting off put by batsmen's movement.

[coffee_rules]

Poor fellow is being trolled by fans as a Khalistani. They see one catch, middle overs mein from over #9 to #15 overs, in 7 overs Chahal and company gave 70 runs, without losing a wicket. Colossal bowling failure.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

It is good to have variation in attack. But it is also important to be adaptable to conditions. It is disappointing such an experienced bowler like Bhuvi getting off put by batsmen's movement.

yup it was adaptability which is what was disappointing from them including Pandya since they are seniors