Jos Buttler claims he would recall a batsman Mankaded even in a World Cup Final

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5 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Bowlers can strategically use this as a weapon to earn 5 runs whenever they want. Even then "spirit of the game" argument will surface.  If you want to stop people from backing up best is to let bowlers run them out a few times and not bring up the "spirit of the game" argument. She repeatedly had stolen few inches every over. Law is the same for everyone. They can very well run Indians out this way. No issues. When everyone starts doing this then the argument of "spirit of the game" won't surface. More importantly batsmen will think twice before leaving the crease to have a head start. 

 

I agree with Alex Hales here

 

 

 

Now I see why Alex is a bit of a pariah with the establishment. 

[Lord]

15 hours ago, Sean Bradley said:

I see allot of fellow Indians trying to defend Mankading as their Janam Siddha adhikar, Just because we started it doesn't mean it is in the right spirit of the game. Their are many who believe that it is not the right thing to do.

 

Losing a wicket even before the ball is bowled is too harsh a punishment. ICC should look into implementing a penalty system to a batsman trying to back up. If an umpire finds a batsman doing so, cut 5 runs from the team and the batsman individual score.

 

If the batsman cannot be out once the ball is dead, how can he be out even before the ball is bowled? 

 

Batsmen can and also have been timed out. No one blamed fielding team then

[Lord]

This guy totally exposed him and others. Apparently Buttler left early when striker was lesser bat and not when it was good bat

 

 

[putrevus]

Poeple who are defending Butler .Player in this scenario question was less than yard outside the crease.

 

Word cup finals tie game last ball. What happens then if the non striker is couple yards down the crease just to steal the bye to win. Will  Butler still not do anything?

[vvvslaxman]

37 minutes ago, Lord said:

This guy totally exposed him and others. Apparently Buttler left early when striker was lesser bat and not when it was good bat

 

 

Savage . love it lol

[vvvslaxman]

39 minutes ago, Lord said:

This guy totally exposed him and others. Apparently Buttler left early when striker was lesser bat and not when it was good bat

 

 

 

You can't hide behind ignorance here lol This is deceitfulness.  How on earth this guy gets support.

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One thing to follow rules (Mankeding), another to bend rules (Ashwining, a premeditated way to run a batsman out by stopping during the delivery strike when the batsman is in his run up):

 

 

 

 

Most of the innovation in cricket has come from Aus & Eng -> Tests, ODIs, T20s, colored clothing, white ball, pink ball, DRS, D&L, power plays, and so on. I hope that we are able to have laws against "Ashwining"

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5 minutes ago, zen said:

One thing to follow rules (Mankeding), another to bend rules (Ashwining, a premeditated way to run a batsman out by stopping during the delivery strike when the batsman is in his run up):

 

 

 

 

Most of the innovation in cricket has come from Aus & Eng -> Tests, ODIs, T20s, colored clothing, white ball, pink ball, DRS, D&L, power plays, and so on. I hope that we are able to have laws against "Ashwining"

 

Obviously bowler will have to abort his run up to take the bails off.

 

Buttler was wandering there.If he stayed put and watched the bowler, nothing would have happened. Many do it.

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Obviously bowler will have to abort his run up to take the bails off.

 

Buttler was wandering there.If he stayed put and watched the bowler, nothing would have happened. Many do it.

 

Nope. It's cheating where the bowler deliberately set the batsman up. Most batsmen will take some sort of run up. If the ball was bowled normally, Buttler would have been in. 

[zen]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

Batsmen can and also have been timed out. No one blamed fielding team then

 

Why would the fielding side be blamed for a batsman being timed out (his own or his team's fault)?

 

If a doctor prescribes a wrong medicine, the doctor would be blamed. If we prescribe ourselves a bad medicine, we can't blame the doctor! 

Edited September 30, 2022 by zen

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1 minute ago, zen said:

 

Nope. It's cheating where the bowler deliberately set the batsman up. Most batsmen will take some sort of run up. If the ball was bowled normally, Buttler would have been in. 

 No batsmen don't take run up and are not supposed to. See VK or Dhoni's pics. Even Buttler himself does in twitter thread posted above.

 

They should watch the bowler and leave when its the right time. 

 

In the above video, by the time Ashwin paused (at 1:06), Buttler was already out of the crease.

 

Anyhow, that's for the umpire to judge and he could have easily given not out. 

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Why would the fielding side be blamed for a batsman being timed out (his own or his team's fault)?

 

If a doctor prescribes a wrong medicine, the doctor would be blamed. If we prescribe ourselves a bad medicine, we can't blame the doctor! 

 

wandering out of the crease is his own fault too.

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Obviously bowler will have to abort his run up to take the bails off.

 

Buttler was wandering there.If he stayed put and watched the bowler, nothing would have happened. Many do it.

 

This is probably the most straight forward dismissal. His hand didn't even go up. Buttler boy already was outside the crease lol.  If he had waited until the ball is completely released he would not have been in trouble.

[zen]

Just now, Lord said:

 No batsmen don't take run up and are not supposed to. See VK or Dhoni's pics. Even Buttler himself does in twitter thread posted above.

 

They should watch the bowler and leave when its the right time. 

 

In the above video, by the time Ashwin paused (at 1:06), Buttler was already out of the crease.

 

Anyhow, that's for the umpire to judge and he could have easily given not out. 

Nah!! … The commentators discussed it too and so does that tweet (and the reason Buttler was probably angry on that occasion ) … Can’t do that!

[zen]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

wandering out of the crease is his own fault too.

Not necessarily, it is a part of the game where you take a run up (esp. in LOIs where you also have to beat fielders) that could result in one being out of the crease much like a bowler balls a no ball, a wide, a beamer, etc. 

 

But I am not discussing Mankading, which can have its merits in certain scenarios (and most cricket refrain from doing it anyways. Buttler has said he will call a batsman back so only a handful of oversmart cricketers are doing it), but bending Mankading to Ashwining. 
 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by zen

[Lord]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Nah!! … The commentators discussed it too and so does that tweet (and the reason Buttler was probably angry on that occasion ) … Can’t do that!

 

Buttler was 'angry' coz he was caught napping. Wasnt even his first time

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

 

Buttler was 'angry' coz he was caught napping. Wasnt even his first time

 

 

 

Serial violator.  You cannot use match by match lol This guy was already dismissed in earlier match. So he should have been more careful from the next match. Alas not. He keeps doing that.

[zen]

Just now, Lord said:

 

Buttler was 'angry' coz he was caught napping. Wasnt even his first time

 

 

The above has no relation to Ashwining where the bowler deliberately stopped knowing that the batsman (Buttler or whoever) would be out of his crease in his usual run up.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

Buttler was 'angry' coz he was caught napping. Wasnt even his first time

 

 

In this case , Butler was arrogant he got warned and still wandered out. 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, zen said:

The above has no relation to Ashwining where the bowler deliberately stopped knowing that the batsman (Buttler or whoever) would be out of his crease in his usual run up.

 

This bowler aborted too. That's how he whipped bails off.

 

The issue is the batsman taking a 'run up' instead of just watching the bowler/ball and staying put till its released. You can get away with it if its a pacer, but spinner can get you out.