Match-ups are important - Rahul Dravid on Axar bowling just one over

[Sgattick10]

On 10/6/2022 at 4:23 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

axar is a bowling all rounder which even jaddu was..............is their a better option ?

Abhishek Sharma in next 1-2 yrs. 

[Chakdephatte]

He could've also said lack of options.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

He could've also said lack of options.

 

Axar is useful only if he can do some damage with bat. Otherwise he is as good as Chahal where Chahal is a better option.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Sgattick10 said:

Abhishek Sharma in next 1-2 yrs. 

Abhishek is a batting all rounder, whose bowling as of now is best for 2 overs . In regd to him i have been saying for few yrs that he only click at open as of now which is where it happ for SRH too. 

For opening slot he has too much competition , unless he proves himself better then others he is far away from national cap . Either he has to build his middle over game which im not sure about him

 

For spin bowling all rounder as of now options are- jaddu, axar, sundar, krunal, shahbaz , tewatia

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Axar is useful only if he can do some damage with bat. Otherwise he is as good as Chahal where Chahal is a better option.

Axar is economical most days , chahal goes just to attack which at times ends up with bad eco

 

Axar eco is 7.47 (thats very good for 5th bowler)

Chahal eco is 8.15 (not good if compare him to his peer around the world or even ashwin as main spinner) 

[Sgattick10]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Abhishek is a batting all rounder, whose bowling as of now is best for 2 overs . In regd to him i have been saying for few yrs that he only click at open as of now which is where it happ for SRH too. 

For opening slot he has too much competition , unless he proves himself better then others he is far away from national cap . Either he has to build his middle over game which im not sure about him

 

For spin bowling all rounder as of now options are- jaddu, axar, sundar, krunal, shahbaz , tewatia

 

He was brilliant in under 19 WC, batting, bowling, fielding. Didn't open there, maybe opens for SRH to get max leverage as openers make most runs in IPL. Yeah he is a batting AR. We need a batting AR at 7, and a regular spinner will do. Need to concentrate on his bowling as well. Don't want any one dimensional players anymore.

[vvvslaxman]

20 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Axar is economical most days , chahal goes just to attack which at times ends up with bad eco

 

Axar eco is 7.47 (thats very good for 5th bowler)

Chahal eco is 8.15 (not good if compare him to his peer around the world or even ashwin as main spinner) 

 

Axar performance needs to be analyzed venue wise.  Probably suitable on low slow tracks. ON true wickets his darting comes apart.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Axar performance needs to be analyzed venue wise.  Probably suitable on low slow tracks. ON true wickets his darting comes apart.

not possible as of now as he has just played 1-2 games in most countries 

[vvvslaxman]

16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

not possible as of now as he has just played 1-2 games in most countries 

 

Let us say if his batting is chahalsque level will he still be part of the side?  I doubt so. These jack of all trades master of nones don't win games. In one of the department he has be very good. At this point he is at best a no.8 batsman. In terms of bowling his skill level is limited.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Let us say if his batting is chahalsque level will he still be part of the side?  I doubt so. These jack of all trades master of nones don't win games. In one of the department he has be very good. At this point he is at best a no.8 batsman. In terms of bowling his skill level is limited.

Their job is not to win games , every body is not a match winner some do their role and provide balance to the team

If his batting was chahal level but it isnt ............baat khatam . 

If we had batsman who cud have ability of offering 3 min over per game axar, jadeja wudnt have been in picture. 

Providing options to balance the side is good enough to get in a side . A side is picked 1st to cover as many basis as possible

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Their job is not to win games , every body is not a match winner some do their role and provide balance to the team

If his batting was chahal level but it isnt ............baat khatam . 

If we had batsman who cud have ability of offering 3 min over per game axar, jadeja wudnt have been in picture. 

Providing options to balance the side is good enough to get in a side . A side is picked 1st to cover as many basis as possible

That is what Hooda is for.  He can share overs with Pandya. Tewatia is another option. I would even back Nitish Rana. You can always play Thakur.  In T20 just pick wristies and be done with. No need of finger spinners.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

That is what Hooda is for.  He can share overs with Pandya. Tewatia is another option. I would even back Nitish Rana. You can always play Thakur.  In T20 just pick wristies and be done with. No need of finger spinners.

• hooda not good enough to bowl 3 overs . His own batting is not suited for lower middle order which is where he ll have to bat . Not to forget not great against high pace hard lengths 
• Tewatia untried , his bowling hasnt been great in IPL in most seasons. Even this yr GT hardly trusted him . He has to perform a lot from ball 
• Thakur has more ability with bat but as 5th bowler u cant have a someone who leaks like him
• Nitish rana has problem against leg spin , batting against short ball is worse then iyer, neither a good player of high pace . He wont last long in international ................IPL men bhi aaj tak koi mahaan season nahin gaya . Also he is a part timer not 5th bowling option. Kabhi kabhi daalne men aur roz men farq hota hai . As e leftie rana has struggles against leg spinner so he doesnt even solve that problem which is why he is not even on radar for A games now 

 

Also none of them apart from tewatia can bowl in PP. Axar is massive value added in PP which even jaddu , kuldeep cant 

 

[vvvslaxman]

28 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

• hooda not good enough to bowl 3 overs . His own batting is not suited for lower middle order which is where he ll have to bat . Not to forget not great against high pace hard lengths 
• Tewatia untried , his bowling hasnt been great in IPL in most seasons. Even this yr GT hardly trusted him . He has to perform a lot from ball 
• Thakur has more ability with bat but as 5th bowler u cant have a someone who leaks like him
• Nitish rana has problem against leg spin , batting against short ball is worse then iyer, neither a good player of high pace . He wont last long in international ................IPL men bhi aaj tak koi mahaan season nahin gaya . Also he is a part timer not 5th bowling option. Kabhi kabhi daalne men aur roz men farq hota hai . As e leftie rana has struggles against leg spinner so he doesnt even solve that problem which is why he is not even on radar for A games now 

 

Also none of them apart from tewatia can bowl in PP. Axar is massive value added in PP which even jaddu , kuldeep cant 

 

 

 

Last 3 matches

 

 

4-0-53-1 &  DNB

1-0-13-0  & 9(8)

1-0-21-0  & 2(3)

 

He did nothing with bat or ball. 

 

In terms of T20 career

 

He averages 14 @133 batting at no.6 no.7.  20 is highest score. 

 

He hasn't played much against top sides except 2 sides

 

Against SA

 

11 matches 7 innings 41 runs 107.31 strike rate no sixes

 

Against NZ

 

5 matches 3 innings 8 runs 100.00 strike rate no sixes

 

How can we treat him as an all rounder. What credential does he have?

 

 

[The Realist]

Axar Patel has more value in tests. In limited over cricket as @vvvslaxman highlights he is jack of all trades and master of none, and that does not cut it as his bowling & batting is simply not good enough. Never understood why he keeps getting selected. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Last 3 matches

 

 

4-0-53-1 &  DNB

1-0-13-0  & 9(8)

1-0-21-0  & 2(3)

 

He did nothing with bat or ball. 

 

In terms of T20 career

 

He averages 14 @133 batting at no.6 no.7.  20 is highest score. 

 

He hasn't played much against top sides except 2 sides

 

Against SA

 

11 matches 7 innings 41 runs 107.31 strike rate no sixes

 

Against NZ

 

5 matches 3 innings 8 runs 100.00 strike rate no sixes

 

How can we treat him as an all rounder. What credential does he have?

 

 

 

among last 3 games 2 were in India in dew so that doesnt even matter here , here it was one over n a run out

No point judging him on that. In aussie series he was superb , again different conditions 

 

Axar is utility crickter and we need him, u either are a match winner or utility cricketer in LOI 

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

among last 3 games 2 were in India in dew so that doesnt even matter here , here it was one over n a run out

No point judging him on that. In aussie series he was superb , again different conditions 

 

Axar is utility crickter and we need him, u either are a match winner or utility cricketer in LOI 

 

I don't even like Jaddu the utility cricketer who is a way better batsman than Axar. No.7 spot has to be occupied by a big hitting batsman. Not utility cricketers. Someone with decent strike rate, someone with big hitting ability.  Nawaz, Stoinis, Neesham are proper utility cricketers. Axar couple of levels below. he might fluke an innings or two. India should continue looking for alternatives.  I have zero confidence in Axar if he is somehow ends up with tailenders with few overs to go. Ashwin is a much better batsman than him. 

[Majestic]

Neesham is a proper match winner. He should be compared with Pandya,not Axar/Jadeja.

[SM2907]

5 hours ago, The Realist said:

Axar Patel has more value in tests. In limited over cricket as @vvvslaxman highlights he is jack of all trades and master of none, and that does not cut it as his bowling & batting is simply not good enough. Never understood why he keeps getting selected. 

Yes. Could play Hooda instead of him now and that can make us to play Chahal over Ashwin I think.

[Lord]

13 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Axar is economical most days , chahal goes just to attack which at times ends up with bad eco

 

Axar eco is 7.47 (thats very good for 5th bowler)

Chahal eco is 8.15 (not good if compare him to his peer around the world or even ashwin as main spinner) 

 

that might be because Chahal has played more outside Asia

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Lord said:

 

that might be because Chahal has played more outside Asia

even in asia its 7.94 nothing great 

In aus its 9.75