Who will win WT20 2022 (Points Table)

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistan need to resolve their top 3 issues. It's been absolutely minnow level in this tournament. 

 

However, from 4 to 7 in batting and their terrific bowling attack have made them quite a scary side. 

 

If they get more impetus from their top order, they will be damn near impossible to beat. 

[putrevus]

5 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Pakistan need to resolve their top 3 issues. It's been absolutely minnow level in this tournament. 

 

However, from 4 to 7 in batting and their terrific bowling attack have made them quite a scary side. 

 

If they get more impetus from their top order, they will be damn near impossible to beat. 

It does not work like that, if top order fires their middle order will flop.

Edited November 7, 2022 by putrevus

[Nash]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

It does not work like that, if top order firest their middle order will flop.

There are only 120 balls to play.   One freak innings and one good innings are needed to get above par score.  Bowling is very important. No matter what score it is bowling has to fire. Pakistan has some good bowling attack compare to other three and india has worst bowling attack.  

[Nash]

The only way to win next two games are batting first. Score 180. Some good bowling from us and pressure will do the rest.  if we bats second and have to score 170.  It will be difficult. 
Hope our batting and bowling and fielding g and captaincy clicks for next two matches.  

[the don]

I know there is no second place in tournaments, but Pakistan has been the most consistent side in the t20 format. Six semifinals.

[Dil Dil India]

43 minutes ago, the don said:

I know there is no second place in tournaments, but Pakistan has been the most consistent side in the t20 format. Six semifinals.

And that's it. Nothing more needs to be said. The fact that this backdoor entry counts in your SF record says it all....WI have 2 trophies and they are by far the best T20I side historically as a result. 

 

Pakistan also had the shortest reign as T20 champions....less than a year from 2009 to the following year less than 10 months later when Hussey owned Ajmal into oblivion.

 

These are T20 stats excluding minnows:



And bear in mind, Pak is the only major side which plays full strength sides in T20 bilaterals.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, the don said:

I know there is no second place in tournaments, but Pakistan has been the most consistent side in the t20 format. Six semifinals.

No you are not. Take the W/L of all top 8 sides playing each other and PAK are behind India and England. Semifinals don't mean anything.  Do you call Windies the gest side for winning 2 T20 World Cups?  Of course not. 

[Dil Dil India]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

No you are not. Take the W/L of all top 8 sides playing each other and PAK are behind India and England. Semifinals don't mean anything.  Do you call Windies the gest side for winning 2 T20 World Cups?  Of course not. 

West Indies should be called the greatest side tbh. It is only the World Cups that matter in T20, no side other than Pakistan and minnows gives a crap about bilateral t20s...which is why likes of SA play Magala Blizzard and co. in bilaterals.

[the don]

2 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

No you are not. Take the W/L of all top 8 sides playing each other and PAK are behind India and England. Semifinals don't mean anything.  Do you call Windies the gest side for winning 2 T20 World Cups?  Of course not. 

Teams go all out in the worldcups and pak have managed to show up over the years. 
 

india and eng usually ho out in the group stage.

[Dil Dil India]

52 minutes ago, the don said:

Teams go all out in the worldcups and pak have managed to show up over the years. 
 

india and eng usually ho out in the group stage.

Show up where? And please define usually lol.

 

Pak have made the SFs 2 more times, so what? One of them is this where they relied on Netherlands beating SA LOL! 

 

They have made the same number of finals as India and have the same trophies. India won it first and by spanking Pak.

[R!TTER]

1 hour ago, the don said:

Teams go all out in the worldcups and pak have managed to show up over the years. 
 

india and eng usually ho out in the group stage.

You sure about that? If you take that stupid decision by Brat to bowl in CT17 finals Pak have nothing to show in ICC tourneys, they have been extremely lucky as well as we saw in this WT20 

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Opposition team Australia  or Bangladesh  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies  or Zimbabwe

Home or away away (home of opposition)  or neutral venue

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010

Trophy ICC Champions Trophy (ICC KnockOut)  or ICC Men's T20 World Cup  or World Cup

Totals in terms of batting team

Qualifications matches won greater than or equal to 10

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	NR	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
India	2010-2022	45	32	13	0	0	2.461	38.91	6.41	45	370	135
Australia	2010-2021	48	26	18	0	4	1.444	29.15	6.50	47	381	86
England	2010-2022	35	18	16	1	0	1.125	28.33	6.95	35	338	80
New Zealand	2010-2022	47	22	20	3	2	1.100	25.70	5.86	47	302	60
Pakistan	2010-2022	53	27	26	0	0	1.038	26.85	5.96	53	348	82
South Africa	2010-2022	51	22	26	1	2	0.846	31.00	6.21	51	408	129
West Indies	2011-2022	43	18	22	2	1	0.818	25.71	6.20	42	372	55
Sri Lanka	2010-2022	42	17	25	0	0	0.680	26.93	6.01	42	338	87

[putrevus]

4 hours ago, Nash said:

There are only 120 balls to play.   One freak innings and one good innings are needed to get above par score.  Bowling is very important. No matter what score it is bowling has to fire. Pakistan has some good bowling attack compare to other three and india has worst bowling attack.  

I don't think so, Indian fast bowling attack has been better than expected. Bhuvi and co have been more than decent. I have to give it to young Arshdeep he has been swinging ball both ways. The only thing which Pakistan has better is their leg spinner who is a dynamite player. When combined with batting Indian is on par with any other team.

 

Why do you think that freak innings cannot be played an Indian batsmen. Why so much negatitivity.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

You sure about that? If you take that stupid decision by Brat to bowl in CT17 finals Pak have nothing to show in ICC tourneys, they have been extremely lucky as well as we saw in this WT20 

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Opposition team Australia  or Bangladesh  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies  or Zimbabwe

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Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010

Trophy ICC Champions Trophy (ICC KnockOut)  or ICC Men's T20 World Cup  or World Cup

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Qualifications matches won greater than or equal to 10

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	NR	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
India	2010-2022	45	32	13	0	0	2.461	38.91	6.41	45	370	135
Australia	2010-2021	48	26	18	0	4	1.444	29.15	6.50	47	381	86
England	2010-2022	35	18	16	1	0	1.125	28.33	6.95	35	338	80
New Zealand	2010-2022	47	22	20	3	2	1.100	25.70	5.86	47	302	60
Pakistan	2010-2022	53	27	26	0	0	1.038	26.85	5.96	53	348	82
South Africa	2010-2022	51	22	26	1	2	0.846	31.00	6.21	51	408	129
West Indies	2011-2022	43	18	22	2	1	0.818	25.71	6.20	42	372	55
Sri Lanka	2010-2022	42	17	25	0	0	0.680	26.93	6.01	42	338	87

It was not a stupid decision, if Bumrah did not bowl that noball then whole result would have been different. They chased down total in semifinals. Once their total became 330 plus, it became very difficult.

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

It was not a stupid decision, if Bumrah did not bowl that noball then whole result would have been different. They chased down total in semifinals. Once their total became 330 plus, it became very difficult.

 

semis was vs BD. They earlier beat Pak in league game batting first.

[R!TTER]

It was a brain dead decision to say the least - Pak is the worst chasing side among top 8 regular test teams & it's not even close! SA, SL are so low only because they've been really poor post 2015 or so -

 

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Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010

Trophy ICC Champions Trophy (ICC KnockOut)  or ICC Men's T20 World Cup  or World Cup

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Qualifications matches won greater than or equal to 5

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	NR	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
India	2010-2022	21	15	6	0	0	2.500	40.21	5.93	21	306	135
England	2010-2022	20	12	7	1	0	1.714	28.95	7.71	20	338	80
Australia	2010-2021	25	14	9	0	2	1.555	29.00	7.10	25	316	86
New Zealand	2010-2022	22	10	10	1	1	1.000	23.64	5.62	22	248	60
West Indies	2011-2021	20	9	10	1	0	0.900	26.50	6.20	20	315	143
Pakistan	2010-2022	27	12	15	0	0	0.800	26.08	5.52	27	266	82
Sri Lanka	2010-2022	14	6	8	0	0	0.750	29.44	6.35	14	322	87
South Africa	2010-2022	25	10	14	0	1	0.714	27.36	5.96	25	309	129

[putrevus]

19 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

semis was vs BD. They earlier beat Pak in league game batting first.

So what? Have not won chasing against Pakistan before. SL chased 320 plus against India at Oval in that CT itself .That also played a vital role in opting to chase.

 

If it was 250 plus total they would have chased down easily.They would have never even reached 250 plus if Fakhar got out instead of that noball. So chasing was not wrong decision on that ground.They should have done lot better in that chase also.

[Nash]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't think so, Indian fast bowling attack has been better than expected. Bhuvi and co have been more than decent. I have to give it to young Arshdeep he has been swinging ball both ways. The only thing which Pakistan has better is their leg spinner who is a dynamite player. When combined with batting Indian is on par with any other team.

 

Why do you think that freak innings cannot be played an Indian batsmen. Why so much negatitivity.

If there is no swing then Bhuvi is liability. Our team can counter it well with Rohit when there is no swing. 

Arshdeep can still survive without swing, he has good yorker.  The problem with Bhuvi is he is not attacking the stump enough. And he is doing that because he is afraid of leaking runs. 

Shami is ok but he is being expensive usually in T20. 

Austrilian pitches required two set of balls. One who can swing, which is covered in our team. But when there is no movement then we lack a good hitting the deck hard type of bowler. These bowler generates bonce and upward movement. Shami is doing it but he is not the best one we have. Our best best is getting ready for IPL. Aka Bumrah.

 

Our spinners are no show. I dont see why cnt' we play hooda inplace of axar. He is good bat and way better than Axar. 

 

About freak innins of india, we need someone fearless like Surya. KL is deer caught in light. Rohit is slow until he plays 25 balls . Then he becomes an explosive batsman. The problem with australian pitches  are , there can be wicket on any ball. So playing 25 balls is not an easy task for batsman. you should keep hitting like Liton das and hope you survive for 20 balls. You can score 40 odd runs.

 

I am not being negative. but i am trying to be as realistic as possible. Our hope is we perform good in two matches. I firmly belive that we can do it. Even KL can hit 50ball centure and he is due. Same with Rohit. he is due big one. Hope both shines in next two match. 

[putrevus]

42 minutes ago, Nash said:

If there is no swing then Bhuvi is liability. Our team can counter it well with Rohit when there is no swing. 

Arshdeep can still survive without swing, he has good yorker.  The problem with Bhuvi is he is not attacking the stump enough. And he is doing that because he is afraid of leaking runs. 

Shami is ok but he is being expensive usually in T20. 

Austrilian pitches required two set of balls. One who can swing, which is covered in our team. But when there is no movement then we lack a good hitting the deck hard type of bowler. These bowler generates bonce and upward movement. Shami is doing it but he is not the best one we have. Our best best is getting ready for IPL. Aka Bumrah.

 

Our spinners are no show. I dont see why cnt' we play hooda inplace of axar. He is good bat and way better than Axar. 

 

About freak innins of india, we need someone fearless like Surya. KL is deer caught in light. Rohit is slow until he plays 25 balls . Then he becomes an explosive batsman. The problem with australian pitches  are , there can be wicket on any ball. So playing 25 balls is not an easy task for batsman. you should keep hitting like Liton das and hope you survive for 20 balls. You can score 40 odd runs.

 

I am not being negative. but i am trying to be as realistic as possible. Our hope is we perform good in two matches. I firmly belive that we can do it. Even KL can hit 50ball centure and he is due. Same with Rohit. he is due big one. Hope both shines in next two match. 

I understand your concern, England also don't have many hit the deck bowlers.If England fire on all cylinders then there is nothing much any team can do.

[Nikhil_cric]

14 hours ago, the don said:

Teams go all out in the worldcups and pak have managed to show up over the years. 
 

india and eng usually ho out in the group stage.

Showing up over the years? You need to win matches that actually matter to be considered as tournament team. 

 

Apart from 2009 and last year, even your group stage performances were hardly better than average.  2010, 2012 and 2022 qualifications were all based on a bit of luck  and NRR advantage. 

 

You make it sound like Pakistan have dominated T20 world cups  throughout. 

[Need4Speed]

Lets not forget Pak is in semis only due to Holland…

Thiugh I find balance of Pak extremely good as compared to India  however..I feel Haris Rauf has caused momentum shifts in middle overs..struggling against spin is nothing unusual..but Harus Rauf helps Pak spinners do well..

overcautious in first couple of overs is nothing unusual too..but they shudnt miss any hit me ball in the name of being cautious..

In case of India if we handle Rauf’s Middle overs well..you can put lot of pressure on Pak bowling..

 

This also means that SKY hasnt exploded yet against Pak..but he is due a big game changing knock against them provided we bear Eng and Pak beats NZ.

 

Similarly,against Eng we need to handle Mark Wood who is causing all the diff..good thing is the match is not on bouncy wkts like Perth and Melbourne..

Edited November 8, 2022 by Need4Speed