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A conservative group has filed a case in Supreme Court and the affirmative action is up for review. For those who don’t know it is diversity based reservation. Even if Asian kids score more in ACTs and SATs they will not be given seats in colleges instead African American and Hispanics get the seats based diversity. This sounds almost like reservations in India ?  Came to know about affirmative action recently. Supreme Court is conservative now.  @coffee_rules @BacktoCricaddict  thoughts ? 

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I will respond in leisure, but I think Affirmative Action is not exactly like reservations . The alleged atrocities is made up since Brit times and not like  5000 years as made out to be by Brits and leftists. Also , Dalits were not equivalent to Slavery of AA. The Affirmative Action is still not able to correct incessant racism in academia and corporate America 

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55 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I will respond in leisure, but I think Affirmative Action is not exactly like reservations . The alleged atrocities is made up since Brit times and not like  5000 years as made out to be by Brits and leftists. Also , Dalits were not equivalent to Slavery of AA. The Affirmative Action is still not able to correct incessant racism in academia and corporate America 

Indian population in US is only 1% how is the quota applied when you consider whites are majority , Hispanics and AFA are in big numbers. I still don’t understand how this applies. 

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On 10/31/2022 at 10:35 PM, gattaca said:

Indian population in US is only 1% how is the quota applied when you consider whites are majority , Hispanics and AFA are in big numbers. I still don’t understand how this applies. 

Affirmative action in US College admissions is highly complicated. 

 

Most important point to note is that there are no quotas.  It is simply a directive to consider whether an applicant is at a disadvantage because they come from a previously systematically discriminated background.  So, Indian-Americans will not fit into this category, but African-Americans and Latinos will.  Like @coffee_rules said, the atrocities against them, especially African Americans, have left scars in their communities that cannot be erased easily.  Only after living here for decades and learning from my students, colleagues and from my own children have I come to fully appreciate the depth of the problem.  I used to think incorrectly that racism is a thing of the past, that emancipation in the 1800s and civil rights laws in the 1960s have taken care of things, that everything is now on an even playing field.  There are some conservative African-American thinkers who also believe that, and it used confirm my bias, so I just bought into it.  But that is not the case whatsoever.  When a community is severely and unfathomably enslaved, subjugated and dehumanized for >400 years based simply on race, the effects linger for decades after the initial change in the consciousness of a society.  To put it succinctly, in the social mobility race, most African Americans have their starting blocks set way behind the others.  In 2022.  So, by considering race as one factor during the admissions process, individuals from other communities are not being harmed in any meaningful way, in my opinion.

 

This article does a good job of laying out the issues and articulating how Affirmative Action is applied during college admissions. 

https://blog.collegevine.com/what-is-affirmative-action/

 

 

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On 11/3/2022 at 10:02 AM, BacktoCricaddict said:

Affirmative action in US College admissions is highly complicated. 

 

Most important point to note is that there are no quotas.  It is simply a directive to consider whether an applicant is at a disadvantage because they come from a previously systematically discriminated background.  So, Indian-Americans will not fit into this category, but African-Americans and Latinos will.  Like @coffee_rules said, the atrocities against them, especially African Americans, have left scars in their communities that cannot be erased easily.  Only after living here for decades and learning from my students, colleagues and from my own children have I come to fully appreciate the depth of the problem.  I used to think incorrectly that racism is a thing of the past, that emancipation in the 1800s and civil rights laws in the 1960s have taken care of things, that everything is now on an even playing field.  There are some conservative African-American thinkers who also believe that, and it used confirm my bias, so I just bought into it.  But that is not the case whatsoever.  When a community is severely and unfathomably enslaved, subjugated and dehumanized for >400 years based simply on race, the effects linger for decades after the initial change in the consciousness of a society.  To put it succinctly, in the social mobility race, most African Americans have their starting blocks set way behind the others.  In 2022.  So, by considering race as one factor during the admissions process, individuals from other communities are not being harmed in any meaningful way, in my opinion.

 

This article does a good job of laying out the issues and articulating how Affirmative Action is applied during college admissions. 

https://blog.collegevine.com/what-is-affirmative-action/

 

 

that is correct - it is not feasible to reduce this thing to a few cliches in either direction

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On 11/3/2022 at 7:32 PM, BacktoCricaddict said:

Affirmative action in US College admissions is highly complicated. 

 

Most important point to note is that there are no quotas.  It is simply a directive to consider whether an applicant is at a disadvantage because they come from a previously systematically discriminated background.  So, Indian-Americans will not fit into this category, but African-Americans and Latinos will.  Like @coffee_rules said, the atrocities against them, especially African Americans, have left scars in their communities that cannot be erased easily.  Only after living here for decades and learning from my students, colleagues and from my own children have I come to fully appreciate the depth of the problem.  I used to think incorrectly that racism is a thing of the past, that emancipation in the 1800s and civil rights laws in the 1960s have taken care of things, that everything is now on an even playing field.  There are some conservative African-American thinkers who also believe that, and it used confirm my bias, so I just bought into it.  But that is not the case whatsoever.  When a community is severely and unfathomably enslaved, subjugated and dehumanized for >400 years based simply on race, the effects linger for decades after the initial change in the consciousness of a society.  To put it succinctly, in the social mobility race, most African Americans have their starting blocks set way behind the others.  In 2022.  So, by considering race as one factor during the admissions process, individuals from other communities are not being harmed in any meaningful way, in my opinion.

 

This article does a good job of laying out the issues and articulating how Affirmative Action is applied during college admissions. 

https://blog.collegevine.com/what-is-affirmative-action/

 

 

You have just become a leli :) Congratulations

 

The number of opportunities that AAs and Latinos get that they do not make use of is just astounding. Just look at the number of scholarships, grants, interest free loans etc. that they can apply to!

 

The discrimination against Indian Americans and Asian Americans due to the dumb justifications from ppl like you are just astounding. Do the affirmative action gods (admissions committees) see if an AA/Latino candidate's family actually faced enslavement in the past? I'm guessing Somali-Americans and other first/second gen African Americans do not get to avail of these right? Similarly, ppl across Latin America also do not get to avail of these quotas right? My sister completed her education in Honduras. All the rich Latin American kids were given first preference to all the best schools in the US despite them being more privileged than most ppl in the world. All this nonsense is just a result of white guilt from the "intellectuals" of the US who happen to be ultra-left and AAs and Latinos who want better opportunities while doing much less compared to more deserving candidates. 

 

They come up with dumb justifications for their failing family structures, lack of interest in education etc. at a young age. Latinos and AAs dominate entertainment and sports in the US. Do ppl strive for any diversity there? 

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15 hours ago, bharathh said:

You have just become a leli :) Congratulations


 

Not sure what that is, but if it is a pejorative for someone who is aware of historical injustices and errs on the side of being benevolent, well ... I take it as a badge of honor :-).

 

As for the rest of your post, I think you may have fallen into the trap of using exceptions to invalidate the rule.  One thing I agree with, though, is that economic status must also be a data-point in the college-admissions process.  Also, I think it bears repeating that, in US college admissions, there are no quotas for any racial or ethnic minorities.  In my experience, factors such as race, economic status, ethnicity, personal hardships etc. are each single data-points while considering candidates for admission. So, if there are two well-qualified applicants and one is from a disadvantaged community, they could get a leg up. That's it.

 

 

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6 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Not sure what that is, but if it is a pejorative for someone who is aware of historical injustices and errs on the side of being benevolent, well ... I take it as a badge of honor :-).

 

As for the rest of your post, I think you may have fallen into the trap of using exceptions to invalidate the rule.  One thing I agree with, though, is that economic status must also be a data-point in the college-admissions process.  Also, I think it bears repeating that, in US college admissions, there are no quotas for any racial or ethnic minorities.  In my experience, factors such as race, economic status, ethnicity, personal hardships etc. are each single data-points while considering candidates for admission. So, if there are two well-qualified applicants and one is from a disadvantaged community, they could get a leg up. That's it.

 

 

Left-Liberal  thamma! I don’t think you are. You are a  liberal, but a  bit right of center, from what you post. 

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